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You mean the one which has been put in the Private Cabinet archive which is now read only? Yes this is true, but this government has been in transition and, until now, was unable to give the issue its full attention.
And I was reading said thread and it provides some interesting comments in regards to this situation.You mean the one which has been put in the Private Cabinet archive which is now read only? Yes this is true, but this government has been in transition and, until now, was unable to give the issue its full attention.
One of the points that the NPO has made, repeatedly, is the lack of a timely response from our government. I'm finding that I agree with them on that point.Is that helpful FEC?.... start? What on earth have you guys been doing for the past few weeks?I, personally, will start the discussion regarding such an apology in the Cabinet Halls.
I am refering to one of the threads in the private cabinet forum of August 06 - April 07. From what I read from the thread that deals with this situation and I refer to Grosse's posts and posts by a few other members. And to note Grosse was the PM at this time. It seems to confirm that the general opinion was that there was a good chance that Mesian was actually acting under the orders of the NPIA director.
Joshua,
I understand that you are leaving soon and may not have the chance to elaborate. If this is the case, I would appreciate someone with access to cabinet threads, please clarify this issue for me.
Here http://z13.invisionfree.invalid/TNP/index.php?...opic=3178&st=40 in the trial thread, you state that
I am refering to one of the threads in the private cabinet forum of August 06 - April 07. From what I read from the thread that deals with this situation and I refer to Grosse's posts and posts by a few other members. And to note Grosse was the PM at this time. It seems to confirm that the general opinion was that there was a good chance that Mesian was actually acting under the orders of the NPIA director.
Please correct me, if I am misreading this. It appears to me that you are stating the previous cabinet had decided that Mesian was indeed acting on the orders of the NPIA and that Grosse knew of the mission as well. Is this the case?
Darkesia:Please correct me, if I am misreading this. It appears to me that you are stating the previous cabinet had decided that Mesian was indeed acting on the orders of the NPIA and that Grosse knew of the mission as well. Is this the case?
How about "Am I grovelling low enough for you, Emperor?"I am not sure what else to say.
Soigcas that is really not helpful. And groveling? I owe no allegiance to Moo. If you have an issue with me take up via PM do you understand me?How about "Am I grovelling low enough for you, Emperor?"I am not sure what else to say.
Whoa there, boy. Hold up now. Let's not go off half-cocked.Soigcas that is really not helpful. And groveling? I owe no allegiance to Moo. If you have an issue with me take up via PM do you understand me?
Not going off semi cocked, half cocked or full cocked. I was simply being stern in regards to Soigcas' rather undeserving and less than helpful comment.Whoa there, boy. Hold up now. Let's not go off half-cocked.Soigcas that is really not helpful. And groveling? I owe no allegiance to Moo. If you have an issue with me take up via PM do you understand me?
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But seriously..
Any nation ordered to our region to stir up trouble or even just to hang around and "see what is up" is a violation of our sovereignty.
You have never once demanded us to leave. We are welcomed as guests upon arrival. Furthermore we have never sent agents into your home in order to rabble rouse or infiltrate your government.Any nation ordered to our region to stir up trouble or even just to hang around and "see what is up" is a violation of our sovereignty.
err.... kinda like you do on the IRC channel #tnp 24/7?
what is sauce for the goose......
Why does your government keep saying that, when we all know that is not right? We were not born yesterday. You shouldn't try to further inflame the situation with lies or cant.You have never once demanded us to leave. We are welcomed as guests upon arrival. Furthermore we have never sent agents into your home in order to rabble rouse or infiltrate your government.Any nation ordered to our region to stir up trouble or even just to hang around and "see what is up" is a violation of our sovereignty.
err.... kinda like you do on the IRC channel #tnp 24/7?
what is sauce for the goose......
I am merely giving context to certain statements made.Why does your government keep saying that, when we all know that is not right? We were not born yesterday. You shouldn't try to further inflame the situation with lies or cant.You have never once demanded us to leave. We are welcomed as guests upon arrival. Furthermore we have never sent agents into your home in order to rabble rouse or infiltrate your government.Any nation ordered to our region to stir up trouble or even just to hang around and "see what is up" is a violation of our sovereignty.
err.... kinda like you do on the IRC channel #tnp 24/7?
what is sauce for the goose......
I've put no words in my Emperor's mouth and how dare you accuse me of such. I was remarking about your comments concerning our presence in IRC. Despite our presence there we have not violated your regional sovereignty, we have not infiltrated your region for dubious reasons. A member of your region has done so, and as the Emperor as stated, is the matter at hand.You are not giving the context: you are putting words in your emperor's mouth.
He did not say that lurking was violation of sovereignty when you were asked to leave. You saw fit to add that.
He did not say that lurking was a violation of sovereignty when the intent was to rabble rouse or infiltrate. You saw fit to add that.
Shame on you for seeing fit to correct your emperor and change the meaning of his words by embellishment. You owe him an apology.
Although an issue of the past, I find it highly disrepectful that you continue to deny NPO/PRP involvement in our regional affairs. Most hold your region no grudge over what has happened in the past and discussion of such things is not really relevant to the current situation except that you cannot excuse yourselves of the actions of the previous incarnations of your government. The new NPO might be an improved version of the old, but I find it hard to believe that the old ideals of Pacific superiority and Francoist-thought have been forgotten.I've put no words in my Emperor's mouth and how dare you accuse me of such. I was remarking about your comments concerning our presence in IRC. Despite our presence there we have not violated your regional sovereignty, we have not infiltrated your region for dubious reasons. A member of your region has done so, and as the Emperor as stated, is the matter at hand.
Maybe it would have been faster, easier, and truer to say "We in TNP have no clear understanding of the actions taken by Mesian and a rogue-functioning NPIA controlled by marsupials but we do apologize to the NPO for any violations of its sovereignty and for any fears or hard-feelings caused by such actions. And it is our hope that the future relations between our two regions will be able to progress beyond this stage of mutual distrust and disaffection to become something beautiful and nurturing in the NationStates world … so help us Max.” Or something like that. If this had been done a few days (weeks) ago, this would all be over and everyone would be best friends.To speak for the Cabinet, we are formulating a response to this situation. Again we apologise for the delay but things got done slightly slower in The North Pacific due to a difficulty in establishing the facts, although we are still not entirely clear on them.
Maybe it would have been faster, easier, and truer to say "We in TNP have no clear understanding of the actions taken by Mesian and a rogue-functioning NPIA controlled by marsupials but we do apologize to the NPO for any violations of its sovereignty and for any fears or hard-feelings caused by such actions. And it is our hope that the future relations between our two regions will be able to progress beyond this stage of mutual distrust and disaffection to become something beautiful and nurturing in the NationStates world … so help us Max.” Or something like that. If this had been done a few days (weeks) ago, this would all be over and everyone would be best friends.