And this justifies raiding peaceful RP regions how exactly?
Fascist and Nazi regions can't be peaceful. Their ideology is inherently tied to the extermination of me and millions more like me. The ideology itself is violent, heinous, and obscene.
Further? Guess what? No one has the right to not be raided. More on this later.
All very well and said. What does IRL Nazism have to do with RP Nazism?
Because even RP Nazism promotes an ideology founded on genocide, that's why.
Also, the Russian and Chinese regimes are not theoretical either, and they exist in the present day. LGBT Chechens are being rounded up, tortured and exterminated as we speak. Uighurs in China are being rounded up and placed in detention camps. What they're doing is absolutely vile and despicable. Would you support ostracizing and raiding regions that RP present-day Russia and China in all their fascist glory? What about regions that RP the Saudi and Iranian Islamic fascist regimes? What about regions that RP Imperial Japan, a racist, fascist entity? Care to stand up for the victims of the Rape of Nanking? Or is it only the Nazis and the Holocaust you're offended about? Because NS Antifa doesn't care about all those other regions. Only one type of fascist matters to them, and that's white supremacists.
Nice case of whataboutism, but I'll play along.
Look. I don't like any of those regimes, or people who LARP as them. And you know what? If someone got together a raider region dedicated to raiding pro-Russia or pro-Communist China regions? I wouldn't shed a tear. Hell, I'd support them like I support Antifa.
You know what though? The fact that Antifa is only going after white supremacy doesn't invalidate their mission statement. They're going after some heinous individuals. If you don't think they're getting all trash? Start your own raiding region to target the trash they missed. Meanwhile I'll continue to support Antifa for their sanitation efforts.
Like I said, feel free to pop into their RMB/Discord and give them a piece of your mind, if it makes you feel better. I've already conceded on this point. But don't raid them. It is not fair on those players who are politically moderate IRL.
As I said, no one has the right not to be raided in this game. Newsflash. NS has a raider/defender mechanic. Neither side has the moral high ground. Like Horde or Alliance or Federation or Kilingons or Autobots or Decepticons? It's a matter of preference. How do you prefer to play the game? Some like to raid, some like to defend.
Why do you think TNP has such robust security procedures? It's because we realize we don't have the right not to be raided. Anyone can take us down at any moment, so we have contingencies in case it happens.
So spare me the "you're wrong, innocent people are being raided" argument. It didn't work when people tried it on me in Taijitu, it's not working here. Raiding and defending are parts of the game, and it's never going to change.
Again, pop in and give them a piece of your mind if it makes you feel better. As for RL implications, if you have evidence to prove that an RP Nazi region is run by IRL fascists and is recruiting gullible players to their cause, I will support their complete and total annihilation. I might even support the raiding and refounding of CCD if I'm convinced they're too far gone to be helped in any way. Evidence and due process are key here. Innocent until proven guilty is a creed I prefer to live by.
Nazi Europa's been known to be full of IRL Nazis for some time now. I believe they even used their region to recruit people to the Unite the Right rally in Chancellorsville. We've known for some time that there are Nazi regions in NS that promote real life Nazism.
The problem with regions, like the CoCD, that claim "we're just RPing!" is that often willingly set up embassies with regions we know aren't RPing.
Speaking of CoCD? Their two top officers whined in NS moderation about how they were tired of people calling them Nazis. Almost everyone who responded, myself included, said that dropping embassies with these RL Nazi regions would go a long way to convincing us they were just RPing. And they didn't do it.
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=458438
Ban the edgy, racist players, not the game. Don't ruin the developers' careers and reputations because of it, and don't lump non-racist players like me who play as Nazis, Soviets, Japanese, etc. with the neo-Nazis and Stalinists. I like to try out all the factions, classes and races in order to get a fuller picture. This is true of RA2 and WoW. This would also be true of HoI4 if I played that game. Just because I decide to play as China in Gods & Generals doesn't make me a China fanboy, as you can probably guess by now.
The difference between WoW and HoI4 is that all the factions in WoW are fictional. No one who plays Horde is actually RPing as an ideology that murdered millions. People who LARP as Nazis, in NS or video games, are. And I'll continue to look at them sideways for their preference for heinous ideologies.
You would support a group that has displayed a reckless and wanton disregard for due process, even if it results in non-fascist regions such as FCN being potentially and unfairly raided. If you really want to fight fascists properly, found your own group or join one that isn't as ideologically and methodologically fucked up as NS Antifa. If NS Antifa were a bit less reckless and a bit more moderate, I would support them too. I'm not one of those anti-interventionist libertarians who oppose offensive raids and liberations for whatever reason.
As I said...
I don't believe any region, even regions run by good, kind people, have a right not to be raided. It's part of the game that is NS.
And seeing as Nazis are despicable, heinous people who support an ideology that calls for the death of me and millions like me? I am EXTRA incentivized to not give a crap if their Nazi sandcastles get knocked down.
Nor do I particularly care about people who "just" RP as Nazis. Again, they're either closeted RL Nazis or they're emotionally stunted edgelords who don't understand the implications of what they're promoting. Either way? I'm in no rush to shed tears for them.
tl;dr? Nazis actually killed members of my family. I'm not going to feel bad for internet Nazis because someone is holding them accountable to the ideology they choose to promote. Standing up to a genocidal ideology is not the same as promoting a genocidal ideology.
