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The Grim Reaper
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If Cronaal doesn't mind, I will be posting to establish Imperium's standpoint on the Sadakoyaman question.
MacSalterson
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Next post will be about 3 weeks ahead, after Pelle is taken and Yeraennus tells imperialistic heathens to bugger off.
Kannex
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Kannex Intel is only using the scum of the Kannexan criminal underground to sell drugs and weapons into Cronaal. Pelhaforans and Rhuvish are there just because; their governments aren't strong enough to stop them.Wolfsea:Aye lol "Those there are Kannex Intel, those are Imperial Ravens, those are SMERSH and thats Razorlight."Piscivore:Wolfsea:
Imagine a refugee camp where none of the refugees were actually Cronaali...
Nightsong
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Three days for Kalti, Callaici and Andalucia to gather. The Nirih operations have been going on for two to four days roughly. At this point I would say I am a week, at most a week and a half past Lara's broadcast. Trying to keep it at a relative pace that doesn't move so fast that others don't have the time to respond or participate.
Was using that as an example Kan. Besides, you seem to have not noticed IRL former indie band Razorlight was among the groups there.Kannex:Kannex Intel is only using the scum of the Kannexan criminal underground to sell drugs and weapons into Cronaal. Pelhaforans and Rhuvish are there just because; their governments aren't strong enough to stop them.Wolfsea:Aye lol "Those there are Kannex Intel, those are Imperial Ravens, those are SMERSH and thats Razorlight."Piscivore:Wolfsea:
Imagine a refugee camp where none of the refugees were actually Cronaali...
Also anyone else beginning to find the term "Established Peoples" just another annoying buzzword? Is it meant to be intentional and "oh-I-Say" snobbish with a dash of Q-esque "moral superiority" or is that just me? No offense to the peeps playing those nations using it so much but I really want to know cause it feels like it's the TNP equivalent of "Social Justice Warrior".
Felis
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"Now, fellow SJWs, I've come t o speak about the situation in our fallen ally - Cronaal."Wolfsea:Was using that as an example Kan. Besides, you seem to have not noticed IRL former indie band Razorlight was among the groups there.Kannex:Kannex Intel is only using the scum of the Kannexan criminal underground to sell drugs and weapons into Cronaal. Pelhaforans and Rhuvish are there just because; their governments aren't strong enough to stop them.Wolfsea:Aye lol "Those there are Kannex Intel, those are Imperial Ravens, those are SMERSH and thats Razorlight."Piscivore:Wolfsea:
Imagine a refugee camp where none of the refugees were actually Cronaali...
Also anyone else beginning to find the term "Established Peoples" just another annoying buzzword? Is it meant to be intentional and "oh-I-Say" snobbish with a dash of Q-esque "moral superiority" or is that just me? No offense to the peeps playing those nations using it so much but I really want to know cause it feels like it's the TNP equivalent of "Social Justice Warrior".
The Grim Reaper
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The reason is because it, conceptually, is the same as the concept of an 'SJW'.Wolfsea:Was using that as an example Kan. Besides, you seem to have not noticed IRL former indie band Razorlight was among the groups there.Kannex:Kannex Intel is only using the scum of the Kannexan criminal underground to sell drugs and weapons into Cronaal. Pelhaforans and Rhuvish are there just because; their governments aren't strong enough to stop them.Wolfsea:Aye lol "Those there are Kannex Intel, those are Imperial Ravens, those are SMERSH and thats Razorlight."Piscivore:Wolfsea:
Imagine a refugee camp where none of the refugees were actually Cronaali...
Also anyone else beginning to find the term "Established Peoples" just another annoying buzzword? Is it meant to be intentional and "oh-I-Say" snobbish with a dash of Q-esque "moral superiority" or is that just me? No offense to the peeps playing those nations using it so much but I really want to know cause it feels like it's the TNP equivalent of "Social Justice Warrior".
Generally speaking, propaganda and politics work best when they create a false dichotomy - left and right, for example, link democratic socialists together with stalinists together with anarcho-communists, and libertarians with neo-conservatives with Catholic conservative distributionists. The idea is that you create yourself - a norm, and an Other - something that cannot be known, because you define it in opposition to yourself. The Established People are an 'Other' - so are 'SJWs', and depending on your politics, the 'Leftists' or the 'Rightists'. Or immigrants, or 'heretics' or 'heathens' or 'illegal aliens' or 'Soviets' or 'Indigenous people'. Even 'youth', or 'video gamers', or what have you. If it is a category that is defined by the fact that they are unknowable in contrast to a known normal (right-wingers are just crazy, it's impossible to believe in their views on the Constitution if you know what we do; immigrants are all poor because they didn't work as hard as we do; heretics simply aren't Christian), it's an Other.
The Novrith Pact uses 'Established Peoples' as an Other - we created it to contrast with us, nations that were isolationist either by circumstance (McMasterdonia being politically instable, or Naizerre being a relatively new nation), or by choice (Imperium being ideologically 'rosier conservative' - one-nation Communist, in essence, at the time), as well as Plembobria as a relatively realist (in the political science sense - contrasted with 'liberalism', and not with 'unreal').
Syrixia took it up in an interesting fashion - to mean nations that were established in a 'world systems' sense - i.e. had established norms and practices of war. Because Syrixia had a demilitaristic narrative, redefining the term works well for it, in that it adopts the 'good' parts of the Novrith narrative while hiding the fact that it originally started as the concept of the Global East - wealthy powers seeking to redefine international politics in their terms (the TNP equivalent of RL's Global North). In both cases, we describe the 'Other' in contrast to what we view as good moral neighbours.
Basically, it's 'another annoying buzzword', because a surprising number of things are 'another annoying buzzword' when you're on the receiving end. It's intentional, useful, and often an automatic resort that is simply very useful to humans at a personal level - it reduces opponents into a single label, and hence a single dichotomy of issues, and it restricts what you need to fight on. Most importantly, it literally makes problems go away - you don't need to care about whether you, as say a Democrat, agree with a Republican on abortion rights because they happen to be a Libertarian, if you create an 'Other' of Republicans. The only issue you need to care about is which party you're voting for. Independents do this too - they 'Other' political extremes, and define the 'norm' as being politically centrist. Extreme candidates are wrong by virtue of being 'too extreme', and 'compromise' is created as an ideal.
A simple "yes" would have sufficed.The Grim Reaper:The reason is because it, conceptually, is the same as the concept of an 'SJW'.Wolfsea:Was using that as an example Kan. Besides, you seem to have not noticed IRL former indie band Razorlight was among the groups there.Kannex:Kannex Intel is only using the scum of the Kannexan criminal underground to sell drugs and weapons into Cronaal. Pelhaforans and Rhuvish are there just because; their governments aren't strong enough to stop them.Wolfsea:Aye lol "Those there are Kannex Intel, those are Imperial Ravens, those are SMERSH and thats Razorlight."Piscivore:Wolfsea:
Imagine a refugee camp where none of the refugees were actually Cronaali...
Also anyone else beginning to find the term "Established Peoples" just another annoying buzzword? Is it meant to be intentional and "oh-I-Say" snobbish with a dash of Q-esque "moral superiority" or is that just me? No offense to the peeps playing those nations using it so much but I really want to know cause it feels like it's the TNP equivalent of "Social Justice Warrior".
Generally speaking, propaganda and politics work best when they create a false dichotomy - left and right, for example, link democratic socialists together with stalinists together with anarcho-communists, and libertarians with neo-conservatives with Catholic conservative distributionists. The idea is that you create yourself - a norm, and an Other - something that cannot be known, because you define it in opposition to yourself. The Established People are an 'Other' - so are 'SJWs', and depending on your politics, the 'Leftists' or the 'Rightists'. Or immigrants, or 'heretics' or 'heathens' or 'illegal aliens' or 'Soviets' or 'Indigenous people'. Even 'youth', or 'video gamers', or what have you. If it is a category that is defined by the fact that they are unknowable in contrast to a known normal (right-wingers are just crazy, it's impossible to believe in their views on the Constitution if you know what we do; immigrants are all poor because they didn't work as hard as we do; heretics simply aren't Christian), it's an Other.
The Novrith Pact uses 'Established Peoples' as an Other - we created it to contrast with us, nations that were isolationist either by circumstance (McMasterdonia being politically instable, or Naizerre being a relatively new nation), or by choice (Imperium being ideologically 'rosier conservative' - one-nation Communist, in essence, at the time), as well as Plembobria as a relatively realist (in the political science sense - contrasted with 'liberalism', and not with 'unreal').
Syrixia took it up in an interesting fashion - to mean nations that were established in a 'world systems' sense - i.e. had established norms and practices of war. Because Syrixia had a demilitaristic narrative, redefining the term works well for it, in that it adopts the 'good' parts of the Novrith narrative while hiding the fact that it originally started as the concept of the Global East - wealthy powers seeking to redefine international politics in their terms (the TNP equivalent of RL's Global North). In both cases, we describe the 'Other' in contrast to what we view as good moral neighbours.
Basically, it's 'another annoying buzzword', because a surprising number of things are 'another annoying buzzword' when you're on the receiving end. It's intentional, useful, and often an automatic resort that is simply very useful to humans at a personal level - it reduces opponents into a single label, and hence a single dichotomy of issues, and it restricts what you need to fight on. Most importantly, it literally makes problems go away - you don't need to care about whether you, as say a Democrat, agree with a Republican on abortion rights because they happen to be a Libertarian, if you create an 'Other' of Republicans. The only issue you need to care about is which party you're voting for. Independents do this too - they 'Other' political extremes, and define the 'norm' as being politically centrist. Extreme candidates are wrong by virtue of being 'too extreme', and 'compromise' is created as an ideal.
In RP terms it just makes the Wolvesh think they're dealing with Bonzo's Circus.
(It's sort of a major bugbear of mine IRl. When you work in advertising on the technical and visual side you get a bit fed up with the people who make up these buzzwords without thinking about how it will actually look on materials you tend to want to strangle them after the 4th redesign of whatever you're working on.)
Piscivore
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They areBustos:1...right, sure.Piscivore:
2...No ambassadors makes the severance of ties all the more easy.
We're still supporting Sadakoyama, and we're going through with our threats, and we'll also do to you what you do to us e.g. not recognise us, forbid all marked vessels, but not the extreme stuff like imprisonment of civilians/execution of civilians. To be honest, trade stuff won't affect us too much - we don't really trade that much with IA or Bustos; our main trade partners are places like Ceretis, Callaici, Syrixia, and Tomb. Maybe Aurora Orb, too.
MacSalterson
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I'll try and toss up a post tonight.
Nightsong
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@Xentherida ... Forward Operating Base Raesh isn't around. Your forces would have landed at Forward Operating Base Odal located on the northern end of Dun Aulin. Two of the Secretary General's passed the order along to have all three F.O.B.'s combined into one thus making it easier to coordinate humanitarian efforts on a multi nation scale.
@Xentherida and Syrixia ... I'll be writing a post later today, once your forces have made it to Dun Aulin Xentherida shall be working with the Callaicians while Syrixia shall be working with the Kaltians / Andalucians (if Wolfsea gets involved, the Andalucians will work with him). Overall though, the goal is to go into Buskar and go village by village providing aid. I am leaving Nirih as a separate operation as I have a very specific idea how I want it to unfold and it doesn't work out that well with multiple nations involved.
@Xentherida and Syrixia ... I'll be writing a post later today, once your forces have made it to Dun Aulin Xentherida shall be working with the Callaicians while Syrixia shall be working with the Kaltians / Andalucians (if Wolfsea gets involved, the Andalucians will work with him). Overall though, the goal is to go into Buskar and go village by village providing aid. I am leaving Nirih as a separate operation as I have a very specific idea how I want it to unfold and it doesn't work out that well with multiple nations involved.
MacSalterson
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Heading back to Texas now. Desktop here we come!