Map Conversation Thread

Lord Lore:
From what I can tell. The De Jure Cartographer is Alunya despite not weighing in or assisting with the map for a while. The De Facto Cartographer is Syrixa but Madjack is is remaking the map and bringing it upto date.
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Perhaps someone should TG her.

I haven't commented, but I've been following this thread. I agree with Nierr
 
I've tried to reach Alunya; she's somewhat active TBH. It's almost as if she's abdicated :0 but she remains the official cartographer, though de jure, and as such I remain the de facto cartographer until Malvad says otherwise, meaning technically the map I'm making is the official one.

Though, if Nierr can make the borders more similar to the current map and also restore the image quality, both of which he has said he will do and has done respectively, then I will make Nierr the de facto cartographer (Alunya will still be the de jure and official one though)

And Nierr, as I already said, Syrixia's islands and its main territory on the mainland are on the same plate and they have huge RP significance; please do not move them.

(I would add to remember to edit Osship's borders here but we already talked about that and Nierr said OK.)
 
I have sent a TG to Alunya and I am awaiting her response. In the meantime, yes Syrixia is serving as de facto cartographer. Nierr is providing much needed assistance and I thank him for it. He is perfectly welcome to be a member of the cartography staff, as he has been head cartographer before.
 
Syrixia your islands are fine, no problem with them. It'll just be a case of redrawing them using the colour palette I'm using for the map.
 
Nierr, anything about the island Cronaal is based on? About making more rough and shaped like the drawing in my signature?
 
Nierr, the reason you can't find it is probably because his claim has a different name.

His area of the map is called Eknorvia; I gave him special permission (Of which I request to be upheld) to have that name be used because that name has huge RP significance to him.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Cronaal, but this is how I define Eknorvia:

Eknorvia is a Scandinavia-like sub-region in TNP with a similar culture. Such culture has existed for millennia and the sub-region is a worldwide leader in technology. For proof, see the Supertank or Pre-Civil War Ganjarius, the capital of Cronaal.

There are three main nations in it, Abenasca and Azkay, which take up the land part of Eknorvia, and CRONAAL, which owns the island, as well as the smaller island harboring the Cronaali provinces of Balle and Anchor.

There is an official with a title, Vilsuun, who rules all of Eknorvia. The current Vilsuun is a Cronaali formerly known as Mark Anworth II, but because of his ascension to the title of Vilsuun is now called the Vilsuun and his name is now Jok'mey Dos Khan or something.
 
Syrixia:
Nierr, the reason you can't find it is probably because his claim has a different name.

His area of the map is called Eknorvia; I gave him special permission (Of which I request to be upheld) to have that name be used because that name has huge RP significance to him.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Cronaal, but this is how I define Eknorvia:

Eknorvia is a Scandinavia-like sub-region in TNP with a similar culture. Such culture has existed for millennia and the sub-region is a worldwide leader in technology. For proof, see the Supertank or Pre-Civil War Ganjarius, the capital of Cronaal.

There are three main nations in it, Abenasca and Azkay, which take up the land part of Eknorvia, and CRONAAL, which owns the island, as well as the smaller island harboring the Cronaali provinces of Balle and Anchor.

There is an official with a title, Vilsuun, who rules all of Eknorvia. The current Vilsuun is a Cronaali formerly known as Mark Anworth II, but because of his ascension to the title of Vilsuun is now called the Vilsuun and his name is now Jok'mey Dos Khan or something.
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You are correct, mostly. The culture of the nation is Japan based rather than norse

Also, the smaller nations are on the same landmass as Azkay and Abenasca. Balle and Anchor are provinces on Cronaal
 
Syrixia:
There are more nations in Eknorvia?
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Yes, many more.
Some are only mentioned as sources of valuable material, some are more vital such as the nation the embassies are placed in.
 
Map.

Redrawn, recoloured. Kalti isn't included as of yet due to something in the Map Claims topic Kalti needs to see (it's not bad and I can easily drawn Kalti in anyway :P). Avalon was moved more towards the mainland and redrawn using it's latest map in its factbook. Other things were redrawn and moved slightly.
 
I do like that Nierr.
I understand that area's are squished or left rather curved/cartoony to fit with an overall geography but it seems rather... over-done.
 
Map looks good, I'll get back to you in a little bit over on the Map Claims Thread. Though I do notice that there is a severe lack of the Cat on the map...
 
GUYS GUYS GUYS! I've found an uploader that doesn't turn my images into .jpgs! I'll be using it from now on. It's called vstanced.com.
 
Nierr, I think the new map looks great! However, I do have a request: I'd like to scrap New Amalfi and my islands, and instead exchange them for land elsewhere. Could that be done?
 
Agreed; should I scrap the old map and use Nierr's for future map updates? While the old map is more accurate in terms of border drawing, island drawing and name placement, the new map has better quality and more flashy colors. Using vstanced, I can keep it at its current quality, so no need to worry there.

Thoughts anyone?

(FYI: If I do decide to use Nierr's map, I won't be editing it until Kalti has been added to the map.)
 
I also have a request, could the South Western side of the Cronaal Isle be less... curved inwards? It seems rather out of place and the province structure is messed up by this.
 
Syrixia:
Agreed; should I scrap the old map and use Nierr's for future map updates? While the old map is more accurate in terms of border drawing, island drawing and name placement, the new map has better quality and more flashy colors. Using vstanced, I can keep it at its current quality, so no need to worry there.

Thoughts anyone?

(FYI: If I do decide to use Nierr's map, I won't be editing it until Kalti has been added to the map.)
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I believe Neirr is going to make a purely political map for future updates so I wouldn't be so hasty. When it comes down to it for long term viability the map needs a purely political version so that it can stand the test of time with multiple future cartographers.

Also just a thought but this would be the perfect time to scrutinize past claims and to possibly free up islands and etc. I would suggest the first places to scrutinize would be Qualcumo, along with the Nyan-Nya, Kusari, and Komeko Islands. They are all far flung from their home country and it makes little sense that Nessumo and Nasania would control them. I would also suggest scrutinizing New Haven America because their territory is so fragmented and far flung with no clear home territory.
 
I don't think we need to scrutinize the control of current territory. Most of the extra land has been mentioned in roleplay and is considered part of many nation's history. Far away doesn't mean you can't control it.
 
Eh, it's OK Malvad. When thinking about it Scandigrad and Lord Lore are kinda right, so I got rid of Osship.
 
Malvad:
I don't think we need to scrutinize the control of current territory. Most of the extra land has been mentioned in roleplay and is considered part of many nation's history. Far away doesn't mean you can't control it.
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Well with the stats that Nasania is coming up with he would never be able to claim those islands in the first place. Let alone keep control of them.
 
Syrixia you have done a lot of roleplay stuff with Osship. There is no reason for you to give it up. The land on the map that is claimed by nations that still remain a part of TNP will not be tampered with.
 
Those three nations (Legington, Leadan, & Kudor) who are red in all five areas should be scrutinized; should we really keep them if they're off the forum, off NS, no longer in TNP, and have CTE'd?
 
Lord Lore:
Malvad:
I don't think we need to scrutinize the control of current territory. Most of the extra land has been mentioned in roleplay and is considered part of many nation's history. Far away doesn't mean you can't control it.
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Well with the stats that Nasania is coming up with he would never be able to claim those islands in the first place. Let alone keep control of them.
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Still working on my overall military RP numbers. Those numbers are by no means the finished product. The cost numbers and crew per vehicle are accurate.

As for my Islands, Malvad is right, take a look at RL Norway's claims on Bouvet Island. The Netherlands and Denmark also have odd islands here and there (even though their home territory gets conquered easily, with all due repect to those countries). Virgin Islands were Danish once. Alliances with other nations and past greatness can explain odd far-flung claims.

Also, consider how the islands are being used. Qualcuno is sorta like Bouvet Island, Cold and far flung with the difference being that Qualcuno is a prison colony where they send people to freeze to death! It is the TNP version of Rura Penthe. (Nasanian trade ships accidentally sailed that way once, it was bad.) However, it isn't as far flung as one may think. Take a look at this. And this map Provided the map comprises an entire(albeit small) world.

My islands were found recently and the Nasanian Imperial Navy claimed them and other nations(until now) have not voiced a complaint.

The Koneko and Kusari Islands are on a sea we border and frequently travel to reach Kalti, Syrixia, and Cronaal. So it isn't that far out from our homeland. I set up refuelling stations for GNPTA vessels there shortly thereafter.

The Nyan-Nyan isles are volcanic atolls that function as a refuelling station for the GNPTA vessels.

Consider that RL world has many islands all over the place. The original TNP map hardly had any small islands whatsoever. Just continents and big Islands. When you develop Island-adding protocol.
Please be mindful that there are hotspots(Hawaii) that make odd islands here and there and unmarked fault lines(The New Madrid rift fault is never shown on plate tectonic maps). There should also be islands along an oceanic ridge.

Since I am focused on military affairs at the moment, I think we need to develop rules for RP warfare. We can develop a model similar to this game for strategic affairs, or we could develop a Dual strategic/tactical ruleset. We would have to develop a method of combat damage as well.

Anyway, kinda late for plate tectonics but still cool.
Tectonic plates possibly the result of asteroid impact

Might explain why the Antarctic plate is circular
 
I've already edited my Factbook to get rid of Osship. However you have a good point and I shall try to re-edit it.

If I have to risk a trade embargo with Andulus to keep a bit of land that is rightfully mine then

SO

BE

IT.
 
Nasania:
As for my Islands, Malvad is right, take a look at RL Norway's claims on Bouvet Island. The Netherlands and Denmark also have odd islands here and there (even though their home territory gets conquered easily, with all due repect to those countries). Virgin Islands were Danish once. Alliances with other nations and past greatness can explain odd far-flung claims.
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Denmark and Norway. Both nations with a massive coast line on extremely popular trade routes that were are points extremely wealthy due to their taxation and heavy handed treatment of naval trade. Not something that you can say about Nasania. Yes a lot of nations have made far flung island claims, but here is the deal. Thos nations developed a heavy maritime culture and strong naval traditions due to their large access to the ocean... something that Nasania definitely does not enjoy.
 
I propose we stop rambling about removing islands and things that are already there and instead work on figuring out rules for future claims.

Also, Malvad, in the interest of gaining the favor of the Democratic Union, and remembering that I've already edited my factbook and that the Unrest in Osship thread wasn't exactly realistic COUGH COUGH NARNIA, I have decided adamantly that I shall remove Osship from existence. Next map update you won't see it.

It's not that much land and now that we've made a huge investment in our navy and the free association compact which gives us military bases all over TNP, Osship has become rather unnecessary.
 
Ok then Syrixia. Your choice to get rid of it.

And again for Lord Lore. No land claimed on the map by active players will be removed. That is final! All of the islands were specifically added to the map for specific players. There is no point in removing them. We can remove the nation's who no longer exist. That will free land up for new claims.
 
I will take a glance at the nations that have CTEd and remove them next map update, which I will commence work on when New Sekai decides where his claim's gonna be -.-

Also, I think there is a bit of generalizationyness to that statement, Malvad. If a player wants to remove a claim or move a claim they have the full right to do so. And while I now consent to ridding Osship from existence I do agree from now on no one should fall victim to peer pressure when it comes to claims, and if they do then they should feel the WRATH OF MALVAD.
 
I apologize for being general. I meant that no one should be forced to remove their claims or be pressured into it.

Apparently I have a wrath now. :P
 
YES. YES YOU DO.

And yeah, we should work on a "territorial integrity act" or something to make sure this doesn't happen again.
 
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