Map Conversation Thread

Geography does not belong on a political map. You want to have geography, make a separate geography map. Political maps only show political association
 
That's something that varies from map to map to map. It's not absolute - at least in terms of NS RP - at all.
 
Right, before I post the map here's some info n stuff.

I haven't added any of the islands that were added at any point in the lifespan of this map, even Malvad's island that I added on like day two of the map being used. Those will be done, but it'll take a few days due to having to match the style of the map.

I've moved my own claim to somewhere that I feel might be better for my nation. Everyone else's claim is, I hope, largely the same. Massive discrepancies/changes you're not happy with are conversations I welcome.

Text is the same as in my snapshot. 36 pixels for nation names, 24 pixels for enclaves/exclaves. This is the palette I'm using and for what each thing I'm using it for. I've included html notations so future cartographers have the ability to work directly with the colours I'm using, regardless of any possible degradation the image they are using may have suffered:
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Any questions, comments, suggestions, lambastations, consolations, lynchings and any other assorted reaction is welcome. Without further ado...

















































... Link to the map follows in the next post
 
SillyString:
Syrixia:
SillyString:
You people who use GIMP make me sad for the state of the world. :tb3:

To add to the discussion, I'm seriously surprised by the number of requests for land changes which are granted without, from what I can tell, any RP justification. Requesting starting space is one thing, even requesting an original island, which might be necessary for nations who need to be islands. But asking for more land without RPing war, territory seizure, discovery of new islands, geographic events...

I mean, I recognize that my own map request is quite unusual and definitely unrealistic - and there's a solid RP reason behind it and it shapes literally everything else about my nation. I'm also the one putting in the work to come up with the design for it, as well as appropriately scaling it to the existing map.

And I definitely agree with the complaints about map quality. I recognize that Syrixia is a volunteer and has been working hard, but he's literally the only person here who is complaining of .png files being changed to .jpgs. I've been doing image and graphical work for years and I've never heard of such a thing happening.
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So, you're saying that I'm lying. Because I'm not. I save them as pngs. It becomes jpg no matter what uploading site I use. Maybe it's cus I'm on iOS? But still that doesn't explain how Alunya had the same issue.

And also, if this helps this investigation, I use Paintbrush.
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You're the only one using the term lying. My guess was that the files aren't being saved as .PNG files at all by mistake.

I've also never seen Alunya state any issues with file type. It's my impression that the switch was done spontaneously - not purposefully, but not accidentally. But I haven't read the whole map thread so if there's a quote of Alunya saying that I'm all ears.
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Paintbrush auto saves it as a png but who knows? I'll take a look.
 
Nierr:
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I recommend pasting the old claims and then polishing them up a bit. The land you've shown for many nations is fiercely different than the current map and I'm sure most nations won't take too kindly. I certainly don't.
Also, the Ninety-Nine Percent CTEd.
 
I think what happens is that - with imgur at least - whilst they claim you can upload 20mb, it actually clobbers that down to like 5mb, probably less, so a png of the size we're uploading will be converted into a jpg.

Creating an account on imgur actually prevents this.
 
Syrixia:
Nierr:
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I recommend pasting the old claims and then polishing them up a bit. The land you've shown for many nations is fiercely different than the current map and I'm sure most nations won't take too kindly. I certainly don't.
Also, the Ninety-Nine Percent CTEd.
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You can't paste the old claims, they've degraded too much.

Your land isn't that different, to be brutally honest, and you might actually have more.
 
Nierr:
I think what happens is that - with imgur at least - whilst they claim you can upload 20mb, it actually clobbers that down to like 5mb, probably less, so a png of the size we're uploading will be converted into a jpg.

Creating an account on imgur actually prevents this.
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Well I'm glad THAT issue is solved.
 
Oh. SO THAT'S WHY. Ok.

Well, if you could at least, (Others may want the differences) please keep my land the same. If you peek back and forth between the current map and the new map when you're editing the new map, it'll be an easy job. Any discrepancies will be almost unnoticeable. I honestly don't want my amount of lands to change.

EDIT: You threw a monkey wrench into my exclave by Eumenor. Please fix.
 
Explain the existence of your enclave in Eumenor in any coherent rp setting.
 
Two things concerning my territory:
1) I'd like the New Amalfi Coast to either be removed, replaced with something else, or placed in a different location.
2) Since you're already overhauling the island system, may I ask that I have an island far away from the mainland of Alta Italia? Right around where D4 would correlate to, or, specifically, near (or even at) that blip of shallow water in the middle of the body of water in the middle of Plemboria, Aurora Orb, Greater Soviet Ukraine, and Merconitoniopia? (I didn't really like the )
If you'd like to change my territory, take away or move my islands, want an RP explanation for my territory, etc., feel free to contact me. For reference, here was my initial request, in which I provided reasons I wanted each territory. (Note: I did take the liberty to edit this [though only a little bit], mainly to clarify some stuff.)

Hello! I'm Alta Italia. I haven't been able to post this on my Factbook yet, but Alta Italia was formed from the merger of the four historical Italian Maritime Republics - Venice, Genoa, Pisa, and Amalfi. As such, its territories comprise lands including northern Italy, the Amalfi Coast, Corsica, the coast of Dalmatia, the coast of Albania, Peloponnesia, Crete, Cyprus, and assorted islands in the Aegean Sea close to the shores of Greece, while its entire economy and probably the entire existence of the state itself is almost entirely dependent on trade. As such, I'd like my nation's territories to be dispersed a relatively long ways across the TNP map, such as Corsica is far from the Aegean, which would enable trade to flourish. (Note: In this post, I'm going to assume that you can create some new islands or create non-adjacent territories, as it appears it has been done before.)
Firstly, I can't help wanting some land near the river that is located at I6. It'd be great if that little peninsula was also included. This will be Alta Italia proper, corresponding to modern-day northern Italy, and including big cities and cities of huge historical significance to Alta Italia such as Venice, Milan, Genoa, Pisa, Turin, Bologna, Florence, etc. Either Venice (probably) or Milan will be my national capital. Make this as big or small as you deem proper; however, I'd like this to be by far my "main" and biggest territory on the map. [This was done excellently; there is nothing that I think should be changed.]
The Amalfi Coast is not adjacent to Alta Italia proper. In addition, the Amalfi Coast territory is very small. As such, I'd like to have a very, very small - probably only a few pixels in size - territory on the southern coast of the same landmass (as Amalfi is on the southern part of the same landmass [Italy] as Northern Italy in RL), at J6. The location I am envisioning is near or at the very southern tip of the landmass. It can be very small, as the only city there, really, will be Amalfi. [You gave the land I was envisioning as Amalfi to Andulus, as its southernmost territory, so I'm not sure where you should put this. We may need to discuss this. Unfortunately, I am unhappy with the current location.]
There are other overseas territories that I'd like on this map as well. You can decide how big or small they are, what shape they are, where on the map they go, etc., but I'd be really grateful if islands such as Corsica, Crete, or Cyprus were represented. I6, D4, anywhere you think would be a good fit. If you do decide to add islands, I'd like them to be bigger than the Amalfi Coast territory. [I'd love it if at least one of these islands could be near or at the spot between Plemboria & Greater Soviet Ukraine that is shallow. {Do you know what I am referring to?} And if you do give me multiple islands, I'd like it if they were as spread out as possible.]
Generally, for overseas territories, I'd like as many scattered about as possible, at the likely expense of their sizes (though I would prefer if they were easily visible [besides the Amalfi Coast territory]). I don't care for much inland territory; the maritime republics had pretty much no inland territory. They were all about peninsulas, islands, and coastline, and if you decide to add overseas territories besides Amalfi, I'd like to keep to the same idea. The only territory I'd like that is in any way far from the sea is in the first territory I mentioned (which I called "Alta Italia proper" and compared to modern-day northern Italy), especially if it is near the river at I6.
If you read all that, firstly, wow, and secondly, thank you. If you need me to trim down how many requests I have, provide greater clarity as to what I want to claim, provide a TL;DR version, or anything, be sure to let me know. Thanks!
 
I'm not overhauling them, but I could certainly do a few of your requests. It's now on my list. Any preferences for moving New Amalfi?
 
Nierr:
Explain the existence of your enclave in Eumenor in any coherent rp setting.
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1. This is an insult to the territorial integrity of Syrixia. I understand where you're coming from though so I will answer anyway. But I am not happy.

2. It was agreed to in a conference between Eumenor in Syrixia wherein a diplomatic exclave would be established by Eumenor. Ask Eumenor if you're skeptical.

3. I should also note that upon closer examination of the map, you've made the borders much less realistic. It may take time, but I think you have the capability to fix it. Until then, I don't see this as becoming canonical in the eyes of most TNPers, especially the officially appointed cartographer, Alunya.

4. I realize you're not adding islands yet, but where the heck is the North Pacific map square thing in the bottom left, and where are the coordinate line things along the image's edge?

Hopefully these are some things you can work/improve on. Again, until that time I highly doubt this will be treated as canon.

From a perspective of an artist though, your map is a great restoration of the TNP map in terms of image quality.

And if you think I'm being a whiney old giraffe, I refer you to when you said something along the lines of "Massive discrepancies and errors are conversations I welcome."

Sincerely,
The King Giraffe,
Syrixia
 
Syrixia:
Nierr:
Explain the existence of your enclave in Eumenor in any coherent rp setting.
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1. This is an insult to the territorial integrity of Syrixia. I understand where you're coming from though so I will answer anyway. But I am not happy.

2. It was agreed to in a conference between Eumenor in Syrixia wherein a diplomatic exclave would be established by Eumenor. Ask Eumenor if you're skeptical.

3. I should also note that upon closer examination of the map, you've made the borders much less realistic. It may take time, but I think you have the capability to fix it. Until then, I don't see this as becoming canonical in the eyes of most TNPers, especially the officially appointed cartographer, Alunya.

4. I realize you're not adding islands yet, but where the heck is the North Pacific map square thing in the bottom left, and where are the coordinate line things along the image's edge?

Hopefully these are some things you can work/improve on. Again, until that time I highly doubt this will be treated as canon.

From a perspective of an artist though, your map is a great restoration of the TNP map in terms of image quality.

And if you think I'm being a whiney old giraffe, I refer you to when you said something along the lines of "Massive discrepancies and errors are conversations I welcome."

Sincerely,
The King Giraffe,
Syrixia
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*Clears throat* Okay I am going to respond to these here it goes.

1 & 2.) then make it a true enclave WITHIN Eumenor. Eumenor does not have the rights to give you international, unclaimed territory as a diplomatic gift.

3.) They are just as realistic as they were before. And no I tryed myself creating the exact same border as before is damn near impossible to get it exactly the same. The image is WAY to degraded to do anything with.

3 Cont.) You are not the majority so do not try to speak as if you are so (also do not speak for Alunya, you are not Alunya, they can speak for themselves)
 
Eumenor did not give me the land. We agreed that Syrixia would claim it in the aforementioned conference and this happened. I claimed it myself, and this claim was official, Alunya put it on the map. Also, you do not have the right to tell me to reshape and/or relocate my exclave. How DARE you. And I DID NOT say EXACTLY the same. I said CLOSE. The borders in the map are way off and look like they were hastily drawn. I'm asking for more attention and more dedication in the drawing of the borders, which, regardless if I'm the majority (which I'm not) or not, I can definitely say is needed.

Another thing: You are not Nierr. So stay out of the conversation between me and Nierr. Nierr is the one doing the cartography here, so HE should be responding, not you.

Good DAY, sir. :mad:
 
Wai- We're changing islands and stuff? Could the Eknorve Isle be more rough and not so curved in the smaller peninsula area if so?
 
Syrixia:
Eumenor did not give me the land. We agreed that Syrixia would claim it in the aforementioned conference and this happened. I claimed it myself, and this claim was official, Alunya put it on the map.
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And as Lore said, if the agreement was solely between you and Eumenor, then the land should come from Eumenor. Claims on international territory require much more justification, and in general, should not be granted simply because someone asks.

Not that I'm really seeing what the fuss is about, since there is still Syrixian territory near Eumenor. The shape is a little different, but it looks a lot better, and it's not like it was deleted entirely.
 
Syrixia:
Eumenor did not give me the land. We agreed that Syrixia would claim it in the aforementioned conference and this happened. I claimed it myself, and this claim was official, Alunya put it on the map. Also, you do not have the right to tell me to reshape and/or relocate my exclave. How DARE you.

I did not tell you to reshape it for one and two its a matter of geography and logistics, two things of which I study a lot. Maintaining distant territory like that takes a very intricate supply network and having such a thing right plot in the middle of a landmass with no ports or etc makes it that much more difficult and nonsensical.

And I DID NOT say EXACTLY the same. I said CLOSE. The borders in the map are way off and look like they were hastily drawn.
I can tell you through talks with Madjack that it is no where near "hastily" drawn, he spent quite a lot of time and effort on it. Even getting it close is extremely difficult. Multiple programs, fonts and etc editing one image that keeps getting shifted between file type makes it impossible to get close.

I'm asking for more attention and more dedication in the drawing of the borders, which, regardless if I'm the majority (which I'm not) or not, I can definitely say is needed.
Another thing: You are not Nierr. So stay out of the conversation between me and Nierr. Nierr is the one doing the cartography here, so HE should be responding, not you.
No but I talked with him throught the time he was editing it and discussed several factors of the map before during and after the redraw.
Good DAY, sir. :mad:

Also final notes. I "DARE" to say these things because of the utter disdane you show for Nierr claiming he didn't take care and that he did it all quickly and in haste when you do not know otherwise.
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SillyString:
Syrixia:
Eumenor did not give me the land. We agreed that Syrixia would claim it in the aforementioned conference and this happened. I claimed it myself, and this claim was official, Alunya put it on the map.
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And as Lore said, if the agreement was solely between you and Eumenor, then the land should come from Eumenor. Claims on international territory require much more justification, and in general, should not be granted simply because someone asks.

Not that I'm really seeing what the fuss is about, since there is still Syrixian territory near Eumenor. The shape is a little different, but it looks a lot better, and it's not like it was deleted entirely.
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And since when were area's entirely encased in mountains perfectly shaped to a clear unblocked area...

EDIT: May have noob'd, not a geographer.
 
Cronaal:
And since when were area's entirely encased in mountains perfectly shaped to a clear unblocked area...

EDIT: May have noob'd, not a geographer.
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Actually you are correct. The vast majority of mountains are caused by A.) massive tectonic activity over a long peroid of time or by B.) Two landmasses colliding over a long period of time. For a range to be in a perfect crescent/clean lines makes little sense.
 
Lord Lore:
Cronaal:
And since when were area's entirely encased in mountains perfectly shaped to a clear unblocked area...

EDIT: May have noob'd, not a geographer.
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Actually you are correct. The vast majority of mountains are caused by A.) massive tectonic activity over a long peroid of time or by B.) Two landmasses colliding over a long period of time. For a range to be in a perfect crescent/clean lines makes little sense.
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I was incorect in assuming the size and shape of Osship in the old map, they are both similar and rather rough.
 
SillyString:
Syrixia:
Eumenor did not give me the land. We agreed that Syrixia would claim it in the aforementioned conference and this happened. I claimed it myself, and this claim was official, Alunya put it on the map.
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And as Lore said, if the agreement was solely between you and Eumenor, then the land should come from Eumenor. Claims on international territory require much more justification, and in general, should not be granted simply because someone asks.

Not that I'm really seeing what the fuss is about, since there is still Syrixian territory near Eumenor. The shape is a little different, but it looks a lot better, and it's not like it was deleted entirely.
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And it's smaller. As it's my exclave, and the cartographer approved of the claim, and Eumenor backed the claim, and it was agreed on in a conversation, I see no reason why this, along with my main land (Although arguably, my main land needs less attention) shouldn't be fixed.

I would say other nations' borders are also different (some are WAY different) than what the current map portrayed) but then someone would probably say "it's their problem not yours", to which I reply, yes it is. I just wanted to point it out.

Now, Lord Lore, I will turn the discussion on my exclave AWAY FROM YOU, and it will NOT go back to you. In fact it will end once Nierr AND ONLY NIERR responds to this question:

Can you fix my main land and my exclave to a similar shape to the one it had on the current map? It does not have to be exact, it just needs to be similar. I understand it was hard work for you to make the map you posted earlier, but I would like my land to be similar to the current map's interpretation of my land. If it takes a while, I am alright with that. I can be patient. Thanks!

And Cronaal: Osship is actually quite mountainous. Mount Osship, Syrixia's tallest mountain, is in the north of the region. The exclave, being also a Syrixian province, has a capital: Osshivilla. Osshivilla is built into a smaller mountain in the center of Osship. Though, while the eastern part of Osship is actually similar to the current map as you said on Nierr's new map, the western part isn't. In fact, it's basically gone.

Now then:

From now on, please KEEP THIS THREAD CLEAR OF CONTROVERSY. Thanks.
 
Um, Syrixia. Anyone is free to respond to this thread as long as they remain on topic and comply with the forum rules. You cannot expect that nobody will respond to you until Nierr does.

I agree with what was already said, the land should have come from within Eumenor itself, and even still, your claim is not that different. The Map looks a lot better and I never understood why some of the enclave claims were granted in the first place.
 
I'm liking the quality of the new map Nierr posted, but I'd highly recommend changing the colour from the green that's just barely different from the terrain green to something else. Just begging for confusion on that one, especially when trying to figure out if certain smaller islands are claimed or not.
 
Yrkidding:
I'm liking the quality of the new map Nierr posted, but I'd highly recommend changing the colour from the green that's just barely different from the terrain green to something else. Just begging for confusion on that one, especially when trying to figure out if certain smaller islands are claimed or not.
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You're right, I'm just trying to figure out what colour to replace it with that still fits in with the colour scheme I'm going for.
 
Syrixia:
Nierr:
Explain the existence of your enclave in Eumenor in any coherent rp setting.
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1. This is an insult to the territorial integrity of Syrixia. I understand where you're coming from though so I will answer anyway. But I am not happy.
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Questions over claims shouldn't be taken as insults. Asking how a claims makes sense in an RP context is something cartographers are supposed to do, instead of approving every single claim without thought, question or query.

2. It was agreed to in a conference between Eumenor in Syrixia wherein a diplomatic exclave would be established by Eumenor. Ask Eumenor if you're skeptical.
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I'd like a link to this conference.

3. I should also note that upon closer examination of the map, you've made the borders much less realistic. It may take time, but I think you have the capability to fix it. Until then, I don't see this as becoming canonical in the eyes of most TNPers, especially the officially appointed cartographer, Alunya.
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The borders are actually more realistic. Look at the borders of most RL countries, how many of them are the straight lines you find in many places on the old map?

4. I realize you're not adding islands yet, but where the heck is the North Pacific map square thing in the bottom left, and where are the coordinate line things along the image's edge?
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I haven't included the square thing because the square made a copyright claim on the map on behalf of the North Pacific. As the creator of the map, I hold the rights over the map. I allow TNP to use my creation. I am unhappy with the scale of the old map and so that wasn't included.

The co-ordinate lines weren't added because I'm focusing on the map, not orienteering.

And if you think I'm being a whiney old giraffe, I refer you to when you said something along the lines of "Massive discrepancies and errors are conversations I welcome."
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This is a conversation I welcome, but I don't get your tone. You actually have more land in your main claim than you did before and I will be re-editing your exclave, despite the fact I think it shouldn't exist.

Cronaal:
Wai- We're changing islands and stuff? Could the Eknorve Isle be more rough and not so curved in the smaller peninsula area if so?
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We aren't changing the islands drastically, but I will be redrawing them to fit the maps style. I'll certainly look at ways the Eknorve Isle can be improved.

Syrixia:
SillyString:
Syrixia:
Eumenor did not give me the land. We agreed that Syrixia would claim it in the aforementioned conference and this happened. I claimed it myself, and this claim was official, Alunya put it on the map.
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And as Lore said, if the agreement was solely between you and Eumenor, then the land should come from Eumenor. Claims on international territory require much more justification, and in general, should not be granted simply because someone asks.

Not that I'm really seeing what the fuss is about, since there is still Syrixian territory near Eumenor. The shape is a little different, but it looks a lot better, and it's not like it was deleted entirely.
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And it's smaller. As it's my exclave, and the cartographer approved of the claim, and Eumenor backed the claim, and it was agreed on in a conversation, I see no reason why this, along with my main land (Although arguably, my main land needs less attention) shouldn't be fixed.

I would say other nations' borders are also different (some are WAY different) than what the current map portrayed) but then someone would probably say "it's their problem not yours", to which I reply, yes it is. I just wanted to point it out.

Now, Lord Lore, I will turn the discussion on my exclave AWAY FROM YOU, and it will NOT go back to you. In fact it will end once Nierr AND ONLY NIERR responds to this question:

Can you fix my main land and my exclave to a similar shape to the one it had on the current map? It does not have to be exact, it just needs to be similar. I understand it was hard work for you to make the map you posted earlier, but I would like my land to be similar to the current map's interpretation of my land. If it takes a while, I am alright with that. I can be patient. Thanks!
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I will be working on this, but as a friendly piece of advice, your tone and tendency to use caps etc are a little bit out of place.

And Cronaal: Osship is actually quite mountainous. Mount Osship, Syrixia's tallest mountain, is in the north of the region. The exclave, being also a Syrixian province, has a capital: Osshivilla. Osshivilla is built into a smaller mountain in the center of Osship. Though, while the eastern part of Osship is actually similar to the current map as you said on Nierr's new map, the western part isn't. In fact, it's basically gone.
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I'm assuming Osship is the exclave next to Eumenor? Then I'm afraid you chose a poor choice for your exclave if you wanted it mountainous, as there are no mountains in that area (Refer to the physical for a guide of where the mountain ranges and major areas of highlands are).
 
Nierr:
2. It was agreed to in a conference between Eumenor in Syrixia wherein a diplomatic exclave would be established by Eumenor. Ask Eumenor if you're skeptical.
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I'd like a link to this conference.
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Me too. :P I can't find it, and two people saying "Hey I'd like X" "okay" does not an RP make.

As a secondary note about borders - there's realistic and then there's realistic. Compare Europe with the Middle East for example - one had its wiggly squiggly borders set over time, and "naturally", by geographical features, territorial conflicts, and the like, while the other had its straight-line borders decreed by a set of foreign powers. There's a similar discrepancy between East Coast and Central/West Coast in the US, where the former shapes are roughly along geographical features and the latter two are simply high-handed divisions of parcels into, well, rectangular blocks (hi, Colorado!)

So non-geographical borders aren't necessarily unrealistic, and can make sense as long as there's an RP context for them.
 
The butthurt is strong right now.

Nierr, when you are done, will you be providing a file with the layers? I would love to be able to make maps denoting DU membership, trade, or airSCANSIGRAD but having all the pesky nation names in the way makes them look sloppy.
 
I will be, I'll need to find a file sharing site that allows me to upload xcf files though, but I think something like dropbox should suffice.

The current map is layered as such: There is the base physical map, a duplicate of that layer where I've drawn the claims and then each text label is a separate layer also. Shouldn't be too difficult to add an icons layer or whatever to use for denotations.
 
Greetings everyone.
I fail to see how this all got so confrontational so fast. The last thing I intended to do is cause controversy.
The conversation regarding Osship was conducted over telegram - a telegram that has since been automatically deleted as my inbox was overfull. Retrospectively, I ought to have done it on a public forum thread, but this was in my first weeks of NationStates. I had not, at that time, done any roll play. Therefore we did not justify the claim.
I did not 'gift' Syrixia the land; I purely suggested that he should claim territory there. If I remember correctly (and the evidence is on the Claims thread) Syrixia had attempted to claim some of my land as the map he had looked at while making his claim was old. He had, as I did, mistaken Nierr's original post for the current one as when Alu took over, it was no longer updatable. I suggested that he should take some land next to me, as opposed to within my territory. I was not giving him the land, just suggesting he could claim some.
As with the mountains, I had decided that there was a hilly upland region of Eumenor to the west, not high or wide enough to appear on the map. I take it that only the largest ranges appear there? I was thinking they would be more glacial then tectonic, carved out during the ice age. It is within my rights of national sovereignty to decide this. The mountains of Osship were Syrixia's invention. I did suggest at one point that he move his land closer to the sea for trade purposes, but he said that he would rely instead on imports by air. The wisdom of this is questionable, but that was his choice.
The claim was a legitimate claim, and not a gift from me. However, I accept that we did not justify it with role play. This was because neither of us had done any at that point. We would, I am sure, be happy to do a retrospective RP about its anexation, and maybe even move it to the sea, but I would need to talk to Syrixia about that.
Again, I apologise for all of this mess. I hope that this can be resolved without any more unnecessary bold caps and angry emoticons.
 
An entirely fair solution that would definitely be. You're right when you say the only the higher peaks appear on the map (akin to major mountain ranges such as the Alps, Rockies, Pyrenees etc etc) so you can have hilly/glacier areas, etc etc.

The claim itself is strange, because I can't see how any right thinking official would claim it in an ic context. Why would you forego what would be one of the only two ways of getting to the territory as well as defending it? It doesn't make sense.

However, it would be unfair of me to stop Syrixia from having the land and so it remains. I would advise him to move it to the coast as that would be a much better place for it, but that is only advice.
 
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