Map Conversation Thread

Nierr:
I have many days off this week (as opposed to last week when family events and work conspired to cause my work to slow to a crawl), so there will be movement on the map. I'll have to redraw the claims again because they are very different from what they are on the current map, however there are many nations on there who aren't active on this forum and I think that we should look into removing them. That would free up room for newer claims as a lot of coastline has gone and would enable us to properly see just who might be active enough to use the map.
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I dislike this idea, partly.
 
Scandigrad:
Could you please say why you don't like it as opposed to just saying you don't like it?
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I'm rather unsure but I'll explain it best as possible.
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I have no idea why I dislike the idea.
 
Eluvatar:
Cronaal:
Scandigrad:
Could you please say why you don't like it as opposed to just saying you don't like it?
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I'm rather unsure but I'll explain it best as possible.
Er.
Er...
I have no idea why I dislike the idea.
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Clearly.

I'm most interested in getting a consensus behind one clean map.
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This would free up space for new nations which decide to post on the forum longer than the 'Hello' Section...
 
Nierr:
I have many days off this week (as opposed to last week when family events and work conspired to cause my work to slow to a crawl), so there will be movement on the map. I'll have to redraw the claims again because they are very different from what they are on the current map, however there are many nations on there who aren't active on this forum and I think that we should look into removing them. That would free up room for newer claims as a lot of coastline has gone and would enable us to properly see just who might be active enough to use the map.
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Agreed. After I add the three claims I have on my hands at the moment, I shall stop all claims until your version of the map is updated fully (With the islands, edited claims, coordinate grid if you decide to do it, etc.) and pass the cartographeracy to you, Nierr.
 
Cronaal:
Eluvatar:
Cronaal:
Scandigrad:
Could you please say why you don't like it as opposed to just saying you don't like it?
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I'm rather unsure but I'll explain it best as possible.
Er.
Er...
I have no idea why I dislike the idea.
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Clearly.

I'm most interested in getting a consensus behind one clean map.
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This would free up space for new nations which decide to post on the forum longer than the 'Hello' Section...
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Its actually a fairly common practice to have a sort of "Activity" quota on maps. It benefits active nations, and frees up spots some new nations coming in might want. I don't know how others implement it, but I usually implement a sort of grace period. Usually something like, if a nation does not log in without notice for a peroid of 14 days and/or if they fail to make any posts on the NS Forums, Off-Site Forums, or RMB over a period of 30 days.
 
Nessuno:
Eluvatar:
I have control of the http://map.thenorthpacific.org/ domain and can grant access to upload to it to any desired person or persons.
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I like this old style map!
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Me and Eluv were actually talking about that style a while ago and it's actually really impractical when you think about it. And it completely prevents anyone from creating a national map for their own RPs and etc.

(Granted its nice to look at)
 
Eluvatar:
I'm most interested in getting a consensus behind one clean map.
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I would support this. It's really getting to the point of no return with this map, and I'd like for who is actually in charge of the map to be clearly established, and left to that one person. Artistic freedom is fine, but we need to clearly define who is the authority of the map. I'd prefer someone with actual experience, and for standards to actually be enforced on what can be added to the map.
 
Scandigrad:
Eluvatar:
I'm most interested in getting a consensus behind one clean map.
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I would support this. It's really getting to the point of no return with this map, and I'd like for who is actually in charge of the map to be clearly established, and left to that one person. Artistic freedom is fine, but we need to clearly define who is the authority of the map. I'd prefer someone with actual experience, and for standards to actually be enforced on what can be added to the map.
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I agree. I will propose new legislation doing precisely this.
First some questions:

How should the office of cartographer be set up?

How should the office be selected?

Who should select the officer?

Should there be deputy cartographers and how should they be chosen?

I think there should be a clear line of succession(or some provision) upon the absence of cartographer. I also think this should be under the executive(likely under home affairs). Some map protocol should also be devised, (like type of map file, editing protocol) Thoughts?

To Eluvatar: BTW, what program did you use to make that map? It looks so cool!
 
I think we should wait until the elections are over. At this point, I am not convinced that legislation is necessary. I think that Delegate appointed cartographer has worked fine in the past, we are just having some disagreements over the quality of the map.
 
mcmasterdonia:
I think we should wait until the elections are over. At this point, I am not convinced that legislation is necessary. I think that Delegate appointed cartographer has worked fine in the past, we are just having some disagreements over the quality of the map.
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Hmm. Ok. However, some system of protocol should be developed for editing the map at least. Some of the degradation issues are a result of the usage of different map file formats. Pegleg industries land on the Map is the classic example of how the map has degraded.
 
mcmasterdonia:
I think we should wait until the elections are over. At this point, I am not convinced that legislation is necessary. I think that Delegate appointed cartographer has worked fine in the past, we are just having some disagreements over the quality of the map.
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I agree.
 
I would like to make a note in response to Syrixia in the claims thread. Although I do appreciate Nierr's help with the map, he is not the official cartographer. Unless I missed Alunya saying she was stepping down, Alunya remains the cartographer. I will not remove Alunya before she can give her view on the map.
 
I'll be sure to put Alunya's name back in the square next update. Also claims are now being accepted again.
 
Honestly Aluyna has had more then enough time to respond to this. Has been online several times since this thread started but hasn't even made a post in any of the map threads for 30 days now (since the 19th of last month). Without a formal objection this project should go forward. Being silent on an issue in your realm for this long and after how much it has progressed, is the same as acceptance of it happening.
 
I would be inclined to agree. However, the holiday season has just ended and I want to make sure Alunya understands the situation. Just being online doesn't mean you have a chance or the ability to respond.
 
I entirely agree and it was never my intention to attempt to usurp the position of cartographer. However I would caution against re-opening map claims as they will only lead to more people requesting additional islands, and that will put me further behind in updating the map.

I ask that if claims are being accepted, they are limited only to land claims and not the addition of new islands. Doing the opposite would not be helpful to my attempts to redraw the map and the added lands in the style of the original map. For too long my image has been abused, largely due to my own faults and errors in not being able to supply my palette and xcf files.
 
I was going to accept new islands if they were backed up with an RP explanation but no more islands will work too, providing you add the current islands. That way we'll have the islands and there will be no more islands.
 
Quite. I may have to move some of them around in order to make geographical sense but other than that they will stay.
 
As long as you don't move mine. They're my main territory and have HUGE RP significance to my nation. Cronaal's as well, to a slightly lesser extent. etc etc etc.

Ask their owners to analyze them in an RP perspective is what I'm saying. If they report the islands have significance RP-wise then don't move them (My islands) or move them slightly (Someone else's, who knows?)

This way we can find a balance between territorial integrity and geographic realism.
 
If you need to move any of my islands, I kindly ask to be informed beforehand. The way I asked Syrixia and Alunya to set up the location of my islands has key significance to future role play stories and the history of my nation.
 
Syrixia:
As long as you don't move mine. They're my main territory and have HUGE RP significance to my nation. Cronaal's as well, to a slightly lesser extent. etc etc etc.

Ask their owners to analyze them in an RP perspective is what I'm saying. If they report the islands have significance RP-wise then don't move them (My islands) or move them slightly (Someone else's, who knows?)

This way we can find a balance between territorial integrity and geographic realism.
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There is no reason why a slight change in an islands position would have such a HUGE impact.

Geographic sense should always come before RP Political Sense. Unless you are just cutting off an island from the planet's surface and towing it into a new place, RP can not account for something that makes no geographic sense.
 
Lord Lore:
Syrixia:
As long as you don't move mine. They're my main territory and have HUGE RP significance to my nation. Cronaal's as well, to a slightly lesser extent. etc etc etc.

Ask their owners to analyze them in an RP perspective is what I'm saying. If they report the islands have significance RP-wise then don't move them (My islands) or move them slightly (Someone else's, who knows?)

This way we can find a balance between territorial integrity and geographic realism.
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There is no reason why a slight change in an islands position would have such a HUGE impact.

Geographic sense should always come before RP Political Sense. Unless you are just cutting off an island from the planet's surface and towing it into a new place, RP can not account for something that makes no geographic sense.
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:agree:

Look, at the end of the day, a nation's history can be adjusted for the map. Most of the time RPs just name places, so there's no reason the named place can't just be put in a new location on the map. A new, or heavily revised map would not be that disastrous.
 
Yes, islands can be moved and history adjusted. However, the particular style and shape of islands I'm using for my nation constitute a particular shape that would look very odd and out of place if set up differently. Hence why I asked both Alunya and Syrixia for the three islands of Kalti to be positioned the way they are.
 
Eluvatar:
To be clear, Kalti, you're concerned about the relative position of the islands to one another?
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Yes, I don't particularly care where on the new map my nation ends up. I do care about the positioning of the islands to one another.
 
Kalti:
Eluvatar:
To be clear, Kalti, you're concerned about the relative position of the islands to one another?
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Yes, I don't particularly care where on the new map my nation ends up. I do care about the positioning of the islands to one another.
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Looking at your claims, that's easily doable. Your islands will stay together but I will have to redraw them, so they may look slightly different but I'm taking more time on each island than I did previously (indeed, when I redrew Avalon to match the map Lennart has in his NS factbook I spent more time on that than I did drawing some of the larger landmasses on the map).

How do you feel about being moved north, to be part of the island chain that includes Stovilum and Legington?
 
Guys i drew my own TNP map what do you think? <3 <3 <3

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Kalti:
Eluvatar:
To be clear, Kalti, you're concerned about the relative position of the islands to one another?
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Yes, I don't particularly care where on the new map my nation ends up. I do care about the positioning of the islands to one another.
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Same with me concerning the position of my islands to the mainland. Also I looked at the plates map, and all of Syrixia's main territory is on the same plate.
 
Nierr:
Kalti:
Eluvatar:
To be clear, Kalti, you're concerned about the relative position of the islands to one another?
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Yes, I don't particularly care where on the new map my nation ends up. I do care about the positioning of the islands to one another.
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Looking at your claims, that's easily doable. Your islands will stay together but I will have to redraw them, so they may look slightly different but I'm taking more time on each island than I did previously (indeed, when I redrew Avalon to match the map Lennart has in his NS factbook I spent more time on that than I did drawing some of the larger landmasses on the map).

How do you feel about being moved north, to be part of the island chain that includes Stovilum and Legington?
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Sounds good. That's fine on moving the island chain north. Going off the old/current map (http://i.imgur.com/4ZCjVxo.jpg), Kalti is currently sitting at D, 8.5... If you want to move it north to be part of the island chain that includes Stovilum and Legington, I'd ask to be sitting at coordinates C, 8.5 (or slightly to the right of that to accommodate the other islands).
 
Lord Lore:
Cronaal & Egalotir please stop trolling this thread. If you have something to say please say it and stop posting these childish joke maps.
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*Gives a happiness potion*
 
From what I can tell. The De Jure Cartographer is Alunya despite not weighing in or assisting with the map for a while. The De Facto Cartographer is Syrixa but Madjack is is remaking the map and bringing it upto date.
 
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