Progressive Party

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I'm not going to issue a warning under our forum procedures, but please read the forum rules and the Zetaboards ToS/ToU, and become familiar with them; consider this a caution and if it happens again, you will be assessed a 20% warning.
 
1. Eluvatar
2. Gulliver
3. Whamabama *
4. A Mean Old Man (AMOM) *
5. Haxstree *
6. Felasia
7. Grimalkin (Agamemnon) *
8. Blue Wolf II (Blue_Wolf)
9. Dyr Nasad (Dyr) *
10. Oliver *
11. Todd McCloud
12. Earth
13. Hileville
14. mcmasterdonia
15. Abbey Anumia (Abbey)
16. Finn [formerly Jamie]
17. Gladio
18. KiwiTaicho
 
I suppose I can try and organize a secondary meeting at 00 UTC Sun (01 BST Sun / 20 EDT Sat / 08 WST Sun / 12 NZDT Sun)
 
The Sixth Congress of the Progressive Party of The North Pacific resolves that:

1. All previous Party resolutions are hereby void.
2. The below Charter of the Progressive Party is adopted:
Charter of the Progressive Party of The North Pacific:
Article 1: Values

Liberty:
All persons have the right to freedom from unjustified or arbitrary use of state power, in particular all persons have the right to act and think freely. Governments must be organized to defend these liberties from all threats.

Security:
The security of a polity against external threats is paramount, and must be ensured.

Justice:
All persons have a right to equal treatment in both the public and private spheres. Individuals must all be equal before the law and government policy. Government must ensure that private business is conducted fairly.

Democracy:
Government must be directly accountable to those it serves. Its business must be transparent and open to public scrutiny.

Reason:
Decisions should be informed by reflection and evidence.

Article 2: Membership
1. Any citizen of The North Pacific who accepts Progressive values may become a member of the Progressive Party with the sponsorship of 3 current members.
2. Any member who is convicted of a criminal offense by the Court of The North Pacific will cease to be a member.
3. Any member who ceases to have a known nation in The North Pacific will cease to be a member.
4. Any member of the Progressive Party may resign their membership.
5. A two thirds majority party vote may remove any member from the party at any time, for violating this charter or otherwise.

Article 3: Party Congresses
1. If a majority of party members are in #ncpp, they may convoke an immediate Party Congress by a majority vote. Else, any member may convoke a Party Congress with at least 72 hours warning.
2. Party Congresses must be held in the official party channel, #ncpp, on Esper.net.
3. No Congress may propose new business without either a majority of party members present or 72 hours notice.
4. If multiple congresses are convoked to take place during the same period of time, they will be folded into one Congress which will address the combined list of business.
5. The deliberations of a Party Congress will be logged and publicly displayed. The deliberations may only be censored by vote of the Congress for personal privacy reasons.
6. Any Party Congress may propose any Party vote.
7. For any part of the final statement of a Party Congress, if the relevant fraction of all party members excluding abstentions vote in favor it will take immediate effect. Otherwise, a seven day vote must be held on the forum, and those who fail to vote in that time will be considered to have abstained.

Article 4: Party Offices
1. There will be a Secretary, responsible for administering the records, votes and elections of the party and a Spokesperson, responsible for administering the recruitment, campaigning and public relations of the party.
2. Any member may convoke a Congress whose business shall be to elect one or more Officers at any time to any office to which the Congress calls an election.
3. All offices will be elected by a Condorcet vote. Any ties will be broken in favor of the most senior member.
4. Any officer may tender a letter of resignation to the Secretary, initiating an immediate election to that position. Until a replacement officer is elected, the most senior party member who is not an officer will execute the duties of the vacant office.

Article 5: Selection of Candidates for Regional Elections
1. A week prior to any scheduled regional election, the selection of candidates to run in the election will begin. The first five days of this period will be allotted for the selection of potential candidates. After this, another two will be for voting on the final candidates.
2. The candidates to put forward will be selected and ordered by a Condorcet vote. Any ties will be broken in favor of the most senior member.
3. For any unscheduled regional election, the Party may select candidates by a majority vote of attendees of a Congress convoked for that purpose.

Article 6: Resolutions
1. Any member may convoke a Party Congress whose business will be the adoption of a resolution on a subject.
2. Any resolution will require a majority. No resolution may contradict the provisions of this Charter.
3. A resolution may establish party aims, party statutes, or amend or repeal a previous resolution.
4. The Secretary will maintain a public listing of active resolutions.

Article 7: Amendments
1. Any member may convoke a Party Congress whose business will be the adoption of a particular amendment to this charter.
2. An amendment to this charter will require a two-thirds majority.
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3. The below several resolutions will be adopted:
Resolutions of the Progressive Party:
1: Fundamental reform of the Constitution and Legal Code is the top priority of the party.
2: Party color is red.
3:
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is the party logo.
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As per our current rules, this vote will close when a majority of party members will have voted for or against it or when a week shall have elapsed, whichever comes first. The log of the Sixth Party congress will be posted as soon as possible.
 
I count 4 aye, 0 against, 0 abstain, 14 not voted on the Charter. (4:0:0:14)

I count 2 sponsorships of 3 for Camwood (Hileville, Gulliver).
I count 0 sponsorships of 3 for Tyler.
I count 0 sponsorships of 3 for Prince Windsor.
I count 1 sponsorship of 3 for Oriole Electronics (Eluvatar).
I count 2 sponsorships of 3 for Belshaft (Abbey, Finn).
 
I count 4 aye, 0 against, 0 abstain, 14 not voted on the final statement of the Sixth Congress (the Charter). (4:0:0:14)

I count 2 sponsorships of 3 for Camwood (Hileville, Gulliver).
I count 0 sponsorships of 3 for Tyler.
I count 0 sponsorships of 3 for Prince Windsor.
I count 2 sponsorship of 3 for Oriole Electronics (Eluvatar, Finn).
I count 2 sponsorships of 3 for Belshaft (Abbey, Finn).
 
Oriole Electronics is now a member of the Progressive Party.

I count 5 aye, 0 against, 0 abstain, 14 not voted on the final statement of the Sixth Congress (the Charter). (5:0:0:14)

I count 2 sponsorships of 3 for Camwood (Hileville, Gulliver).
I count 0 sponsorships of 3 for Tyler.
I count 0 sponsorships of 3 for Prince Windsor.
I count 2 sponsorships of 3 for Belshaft (Abbey, Finn).

1. Eluvatar
2. Gulliver
3. Whamabama *
4. A Mean Old Man (AMOM) *
5. Haxstree *
6. Felasia
7. Grimalkin (Agamemnon) *
8. Blue Wolf II (Blue_Wolf)
9. Dyr Nasad (Dyr) *
10. Oliver *
11. Todd McCloud
12. Earth
13. Hileville
14. mcmasterdonia
15. Abbey Anumia (Abbey)
16. Finn
17. Gladio
18. KiwiTaicho
19. Oriole Electronics (OE)
 
#ncpp:
[04 Aug 14:00] Eluvatar All right, the Sixth ProP Congress is hereby opened!
[04 Aug 14:00] * mcmasterdonia claps
[04 Aug 14:00] Eluvatar Our main item for discussion is the report of the Charter committee
[04 Aug 14:01] Eluvatar http://goo.gl/gBY0i
[04 Aug 14:01] Eluvatar Unless there are objections we will proceed to go through it item by item.
[04 Aug 14:01] Eluvatar Firstly, the Values
[04 Aug 14:01] Eluvatar The Charter committee reviewed work of a previous Values committee based on one of our early congresses, and we have these five values: Liberty, Security, Justice, Democracy, and Reason
[04 Aug 14:02] Eluvatar The definitions of these values as we value them are in the first Article of the draft charter.
[04 Aug 14:02] Eluvatar Are there any comments on them?
[04 Aug 14:02] mcmasterdonia "Government must ensure that private business is conducted fairly."
[04 Aug 14:02] Eluvatar .weight_one mcmasterdonia Finn|Busy Abbey Gulliver Wham Gladio
[04 Aug 14:02] * Finn|Busy doesn't understand the 'right to life' part.
[04 Aug 14:02] mcmasterdonia that seems a little vague
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[04 Aug 14:03] mcmasterdonia I guess anti-abortion Finn:p
[04 Aug 14:03] Eluvatar okay, let's start from the first listed one
[04 Aug 14:03] Eluvatar I suppose that article hasn't really been modified to suit a regional context as much as it could have been, but the basic idea is the freedom to live unmolested
[04 Aug 14:03] Gulliver I don't think that one was ever updated McMaster
[04 Aug 14:04] Finn|Busy so not anti-abortion elu?
[04 Aug 14:04] Eluvatar no
[04 Aug 14:04] mcmasterdonia ok, Gulliver.
[04 Aug 14:04] Abbey You could argue that it's relevant insomuch as you have the freedom to "live" within the region freely
[04 Aug 14:04] Eluvatar in context it means without ejection or banning
[04 Aug 14:04] Abbey mhm
[04 Aug 14:04] Finn|Busy *nods*
[04 Aug 14:04] Gulliver Why would that be antiabortion
[04 Aug 14:04] Gulliver Oh
[04 Aug 14:04] Eluvatar Gulliver: if one defined fetuses as persons
[04 Aug 14:04] Abbey Lets not go there, eh? :P
[04 Aug 14:04] Gulliver "Right to life"
[04 Aug 14:04] Eluvatar XD
[04 Aug 14:04] Gulliver IT means that the government has a legitimate interest in making murder illegal
[04 Aug 14:04] Gulliver Because it's defending someone's rights
[04 Aug 14:04] Gulliver Otherwise you have arbitrary unjustified state power etc.
[04 Aug 14:04] Gulliver Off topic <_<
[04 Aug 14:05] Eluvatar Yeah.
[04 Aug 14:05] Abbey In an NS context, it's as Elu stated
[04 Aug 14:05] Eluvatar Do we want to modify it?
[04 Aug 14:05] mcmasterdonia hmm
[04 Aug 14:05] Abbey Might be worth it, I didn't pick up on that
[04 Aug 14:05] Eluvatar we could change "life" to "residence" or simlar
[04 Aug 14:05] Eluvatar *similar
[04 Aug 14:05] Eluvatar .chair Eluvatar
[04 Aug 14:05] Eluvatar oh fudge
[04 Aug 14:05] Finn|Busy ?
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[04 Aug 14:06] Eluvatar .weight_one mcmasterdonia Finn|Busy Abbey Gulliver Wham Gladio
[04 Aug 14:06] Eluvatar .chair Eluvatar
[04 Aug 14:06] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Done.
[04 Aug 14:06] Eluvatar There we go >_>
[04 Aug 14:06] Finn|Busy what does that do? >.>
[04 Aug 14:06] Abbey It's a voting mechanism
[04 Aug 14:06] Eluvatar you can vote if I open a vote, with a weight of 1
[04 Aug 14:06] Eluvatar so I dont' have to manually count people's votes
[04 Aug 14:06] Finn|Busy and the chair means?
[04 Aug 14:06] Eluvatar I can open and close votes
[04 Aug 14:06] Finn|Busy ah
[04 Aug 14:07] mcmasterdonia "All persons have the right to freedom from unjustified or arbitrary use of state power. Governments must be organized to defend these liberties from all threats."
[04 Aug 14:07] mcmasterdonia idk
[04 Aug 14:07] Eluvatar why are you suggesting getting rid of "to act and think freely"
[04 Aug 14:07] mcmasterdonia just an idea. you can add that in. i just think property and right to life is a little vague in a regional context
[04 Aug 14:07] Eluvatar I guess
[04 Aug 14:08] Abbey "All persons have the right to freedom from unjustified or arbitary use of state power, and to act and think freely" etc..
[04 Aug 14:08] Gladio This^
[04 Aug 14:08] mcmasterdonia yeah, that sounds better.
[04 Aug 14:08] Eluvatar "All persons have the right to freedom from unjustified or arbitrary use of state power, in particular all persons have the right to act and think freely. Governments must be organized to defend these liberties from all threats."
[04 Aug 14:09] Abbey hm
[04 Aug 14:09] Gulliver Arn't unjustified and arbitrary kinda synonymous
[04 Aug 14:09] Eluvatar so ", and to act and think freely." or ", in particular all persons have the right to act and think freely."
[04 Aug 14:10] Abbey I think the latter, and they are but they're also subtly different, Gulliver
[04 Aug 14:10] Eluvatar k
[04 Aug 14:10] Eluvatar Let's vote on: "All persons have the right to freedom from unjustified or arbitrary use of state power, in particular all persons have the right to act and think freely. Governments must be organized to defend these liberties from all threats."
[04 Aug 14:10] Eluvatar Is there a second?
[04 Aug 14:10] Abbey Seconded.
[04 Aug 14:10] Eluvatar .open_vote
[04 Aug 14:10] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Vote opened!
[04 Aug 14:10] Eluvatar .vote AYE
[04 Aug 14:10] FriarTuck Eluvatar: You're not a valid voter!
[04 Aug 14:10] Eluvatar wat
[04 Aug 14:10] Abbey You forgot to add yourself.
[04 Aug 14:11] Eluvatar .weight Eluvatar 1
[04 Aug 14:11] Eluvatar .vote AYE
[04 Aug 14:11] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 14:11] Eluvatar >_>
[04 Aug 14:11] Abbey .vote AYE
[04 Aug 14:11] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 2
[04 Aug 14:11] Eluvatar That I did
[04 Aug 14:11] * Abbey pokes the others
[04 Aug 14:11] Finn|Away .vote ABSTAIN
[04 Aug 14:11] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Abstain bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 14:11] mcmasterdonia .vote aye
[04 Aug 14:11] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 3
[04 Aug 14:11] Gladio .vote AYE
[04 Aug 14:11] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 4
[04 Aug 14:11] * Eluvatar pokes Wham and Gulliver
[04 Aug 14:12] Gulliver .vote AYE
[04 Aug 14:12] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 5
[04 Aug 14:12] Abbey Wham's not spoken for days
[04 Aug 14:12] --- Eluvatar changed mode: +v FriarTuck
[04 Aug 14:12] --- Eluvatar changed mode: +m
[04 Aug 14:12] Eluvatar fair enough
[04 Aug 14:12] Abbey /names
[04 Aug 14:12] Eluvatar .close_vote
[04 Aug 14:12] Abbey oops <_<
[04 Aug 14:12] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Closing the vote.
[04 Aug 14:12] FriarTuck Aye:5;Abstain:1
[04 Aug 14:12] FriarTuck Aye got the most votes with 5 out of 5 (1 abstentions)
[04 Aug 14:12] FriarTuck Aye got a majority of the votes
[04 Aug 14:12] * Eluvatar changes draft
[04 Aug 14:13] Eluvatar in the mean time, mcmasterdonia had a concern with the definition of Justice
[04 Aug 14:13] Eluvatar All persons have a right to equal treatment in both the public and private spheres. Individuals must all be equal before the law and government policy. Government must ensure that private business is conducted fairly.[04 Aug 14:13] Abbey Private government business?
[04 Aug 14:13] Gulliver I don't think it's relevant in TNP
[04 Aug 14:13] Eluvatar so you guys want to drop the third sentence?
[04 Aug 14:13] Abbey why not, Gulliver?
[04 Aug 14:14] Eluvatar I'd rather keep it, myself.
[04 Aug 14:14] Gulliver Well is there private business in TNP?
[04 Aug 14:14] Eluvatar Just in general terms.
[04 Aug 14:14] Abbey Well, yes
[04 Aug 14:14] Abbey IRC conversation, closed-access forums.
[04 Aug 14:14] Gulliver That clause was originally added as the government should enforce contracts and honest business practice and the like
[04 Aug 14:14] mcmasterdonia And the government should determine if IRC is conducted fairly :/
[04 Aug 14:14] Gulliver In the original ProP charter we're working from
[04 Aug 14:14] Eluvatar well, if TNP starts having contracts
[04 Aug 14:15] Eluvatar then we should make sure that they are enforced and fair XD
[04 Aug 14:15] Abbey xD
[04 Aug 14:15] Eluvatar If we don't, it does no harm
[04 Aug 14:15] Eluvatar Does it?
[04 Aug 14:15] mcmasterdonia So that is what it is talking about, private contracts?
[04 Aug 14:15] Abbey That and general government business conducted in private should be conducted fairly.
[04 Aug 14:15] Eluvatar That general sentiment seems fair to me.
[04 Aug 14:16] Eluvatar Pun intended.
[04 Aug 14:16] Gulliver Private in this context means not goverment
[04 Aug 14:16] Gulliver Not secret government business
[04 Aug 14:16] Gulliver At least that was the original intent
[04 Aug 14:16] Eluvatar True.
[04 Aug 14:16] Eluvatar given the earlier context of "public and private spheres"
[04 Aug 14:16] Abbey I'm not sure how relevant that is to NS
[04 Aug 14:16] * Abbey nods
[04 Aug 14:16] Eluvatar Well...
[04 Aug 14:16] Eluvatar Political parties are private entities, actually
[04 Aug 14:17] Abbey hm
[04 Aug 14:17] Abbey I spose
[04 Aug 14:17] Eluvatar So this means that we expect, say, the Reform Party to conduct its dealings fairly
[04 Aug 14:17] * Abbey nods
[04 Aug 14:17] Eluvatar (obviously we expect ourselves to as well)
[04 Aug 14:17] mcmasterdonia eh. i don't like the section, but its not a HUGE issue by any means
[04 Aug 14:17] Abbey And that we expect private citizens to conduct their dealings fairly
[04 Aug 14:17] Eluvatar Do we want to hold a quick vote on that third sentence?
[04 Aug 14:18] Finn|Away yes.
[04 Aug 14:18] Gladio yes
[04 Aug 14:18] Abbey Finn, you're not very away :P
[04 Aug 14:18] <-- Funkadelia left the channel
[04 Aug 14:18] mcmasterdonia How can the government intervene in private affairs? in practice on NS i mean
[04 Aug 14:18] Eluvatar okay, motion to vote on keeping the sentence "Government must ensure that private business is conducted fairly."
[04 Aug 14:18] Abbey That's my personal thoughts at the minute (mcmaster)
[04 Aug 14:18] Abbey brb
[04 Aug 14:18] Finn|Away seconded.
[04 Aug 14:18] Eluvatar Aye - keep; Nay - drop or alter
[04 Aug 14:18] Eluvatar .open_vote
[04 Aug 14:18] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Vote opened!
[04 Aug 14:18] Eluvatar .vote aye
[04 Aug 14:18] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 14:18] mcmasterdonia .vote nay
[04 Aug 14:18] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Nay bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 14:18] Finn|Away .vote ABSTAIN
[04 Aug 14:18] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Abstain bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 14:18] Eluvatar omg a contested vote
[04 Aug 14:19] Eluvatar <3
[04 Aug 14:19] Gulliver .vote NAY
[04 Aug 14:19] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Nay bringing it to 2
[04 Aug 14:19] Eluvatar :O
[04 Aug 14:19] Gladio .vote aye
[04 Aug 14:19] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 2
[04 Aug 14:19] mcmasterdonia we await abbey :P
[04 Aug 14:19] Eluvatar aye
[04 Aug 14:20] Finn|Away can I change my vote?
[04 Aug 14:20] Eluvatar YEs
[04 Aug 14:20] Eluvatar *Yes
[04 Aug 14:20] Finn|Away how?
[04 Aug 14:20] mcmasterdonia vote again
[04 Aug 14:20] Finn|Away ok.
[04 Aug 14:21] mcmasterdonia i think :P
[04 Aug 14:21] Eluvatar indeed
[04 Aug 14:21] Eluvatar .vote aye
[04 Aug 14:21] FriarTuck 1 votes removed from Aye leaving it at 1
[04 Aug 14:21] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 2
[04 Aug 14:21] Eluvatar xD
[04 Aug 14:21] Eluvatar I made it bounce :P
[04 Aug 14:21] Gladio lol
[04 Aug 14:22] mcmasterdonia The NPA doctrine will be at vote soon :D
[04 Aug 14:22] Finn|Away Oh no D:
[04 Aug 14:22] Gladio good
[04 Aug 14:22] mcmasterdonia Its a good version Finn
[04 Aug 14:22] Eluvatar A do-nothing version <_<
[04 Aug 14:22] Finn|Away I'm abstaining.
[04 Aug 14:22] Eluvatar almost
[04 Aug 14:22] Finn|Away like I always do :)
[04 Aug 14:23] mcmasterdonia I think its an 'open' version
[04 Aug 14:23] mcmasterdonia but we will never agree on it.
[04 Aug 14:23] Gulliver I am bound by tradition to abstain but I would say
[04 Aug 14:23] Gulliver If it does in fact do nothing why add it
[04 Aug 14:24] Gulliver I haven't actuall yread it so
[04 Aug 14:24] Gulliver <_<
[04 Aug 14:24] Eluvatar well
[04 Aug 14:24] mcmasterdonia It sets guidelines, in my view. Which are important.
[04 Aug 14:24] Eluvatar it does ban the NPA from griefing
[04 Aug 14:24] Eluvatar Which is something
[04 Aug 14:24] Finn|Away Boo.
[04 Aug 14:24] Eluvatar (Except for regions we really really hate)
[04 Aug 14:24] Eluvatar <.<
[04 Aug 14:24] Finn|Away :
[04 Aug 14:24] Finn|Away :D
[04 Aug 14:24] Finn|Away :P
[04 Aug 14:24] Finn|Away /joking >.>
[04 Aug 14:24] Eluvatar AH KEEL YUU
[04 Aug 14:24] mcmasterdonia Gives flexibility as well, i think.
[04 Aug 14:24] Finn|Away D:
[04 Aug 14:24] * Finn|Away hides
[04 Aug 14:25] mcmasterdonia Stuck in deadlock for hours
[04 Aug 14:25] mcmasterdonia until abbey returns :P
[04 Aug 14:25] Finn|Away .vote NAY
[04 Aug 14:25] FriarTuck 1 votes removed from Abstain leaving it at 0
[04 Aug 14:25] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Nay bringing it to 3
[04 Aug 14:25] Finn|Away .vote abstain
[04 Aug 14:25] FriarTuck 1 votes removed from Nay leaving it at 2
[04 Aug 14:25] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Abstain bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 14:25] Eluvatar lol
[04 Aug 14:25] Eluvatar I suspect Abbey went to lunch
[04 Aug 14:25] Eluvatar *dinner
[04 Aug 14:26] Eluvatar Let's consider further questions while we wait
[04 Aug 14:26] Eluvatar Let us examine Article 2
[04 Aug 14:26] Eluvatar which says to join ProP you have to accept the values and get 3 sponsorships
[04 Aug 14:26] Eluvatar (Change: having to accept the values)
[04 Aug 14:26] mcmasterdonia I agree with that
[04 Aug 14:26] Finn|Away Raise it 5 sponserships.
[04 Aug 14:26] Eluvatar also says that convicts are automatically removed
[04 Aug 14:26] Gulliver Perhaps just 2 is enough
[04 Aug 14:26] Gulliver <_<
[04 Aug 14:26] Gladio 3 is fine
[04 Aug 14:26] Eluvatar and ceasing to have a known TNP nation => automatically removed
[04 Aug 14:27] mcmasterdonia we probs need to check our current members then :P
[04 Aug 14:27] Finn|Away 3 is too few.
[04 Aug 14:27] Eluvatar We will upon ratification
[04 Aug 14:27] mcmasterdonia 3 is fine
[04 Aug 14:27] mcmasterdonia I know.
[04 Aug 14:27] Gladio 3 or 4
[04 Aug 14:27] Finn|Away 4.
[04 Aug 14:27] Eluvatar Finn|Away: who are you worried about getting 3 sponsorships?
[04 Aug 14:27] Finn|Away If this is logged, I'm not saying.
[04 Aug 14:27] Eluvatar it is XD
[04 Aug 14:27] Gulliver So
[04 Aug 14:27] Finn|Away Then, No.
[04 Aug 14:28] Gulliver Has anyone we don't want gotten in with 3 right now
[04 Aug 14:28] mcmasterdonia And i'll leak it to them lol
[04 Aug 14:28] Eluvatar finally, it affirms that people can resign
[04 Aug 14:28] Finn|Away Eluvatar, can you take out what I just said? :P
[04 Aug 14:28] Eluvatar and that the party can remove people by a 2/3 majority for breaking the charter or for any reason
[04 Aug 14:28] mcmasterdonia fair enough
[04 Aug 14:29] mcmasterdonia I like that section as a whole.
[04 Aug 14:29] Eluvatar 5. The deliberations of a Party Congress will be logged and publicly displayed on the forums. The deliberations may only be censored by vote of the Congress for personal privacy reasons.
[04 Aug 14:29] Eluvatar Finn|Away: ^ is the current rule
[04 Aug 14:29] mcmasterdonia actually
[04 Aug 14:29] mcmasterdonia what about 4
[04 Aug 14:29] mcmasterdonia :/
[04 Aug 14:30] mcmasterdonia so if you are in a party position you can't resign ?
[04 Aug 14:30] Eluvatar Party officers have to be replaced before they resign under that rule
[04 Aug 14:30] Finn|Away but Elu.. D:
[04 Aug 14:30] mcmasterdonia Idk that seems a bit strange to me
[04 Aug 14:30] * Finn|Away shushes then.
[04 Aug 14:30] Eluvatar YEah it is
[04 Aug 14:30] Eluvatar and Abbey was concerned about it
[04 Aug 14:30] Eluvatar "I did have an issue with this bit. My problem with it is that someone who wants to leave the position (or even the party) for whatever reason is stuck there purely on the basis that nobody else wants it. In my mind, simply having the position vacant for a period of time before an another attempted election is an improvement on impeding on the freedom of the person who wishes to resign.
[04 Aug 14:30] Eluvatar "
[04 Aug 14:31] mcmasterdonia Fair point.
[04 Aug 14:31] Eluvatar I responded "It's just not possible for the party to function without a Secretary according to this Charter :/
[04 Aug 14:31] Eluvatar "
[04 Aug 14:31] Gulliver Do we want to require regular elections for party positions or secretary or whatever
[04 Aug 14:31] mcmasterdonia Surely if a secretary resigns, the party could just vote in a new one?
[04 Aug 14:31] Gulliver We could put in a
[04 Aug 14:31] Eluvatar We could
[04 Aug 14:31] Gulliver Most senior member available is acting secretary
[04 Aug 14:31] Gulliver Clause
[04 Aug 14:31] Eluvatar Hm.
[04 Aug 14:31] Eluvatar That may make sense.
[04 Aug 14:32] Eluvatar ok so let's change 4 to "Any member of the Progressive Party may resign their membership."
[04 Aug 14:32] mcmasterdonia yep
[04 Aug 14:32] Eluvatar By acclamation
[04 Aug 14:32] Eluvatar all in favor?
[04 Aug 14:32] * Eluvatar nods
[04 Aug 14:32] mcmasterdonia aye
[04 Aug 14:32] * Finn|Away abstains :p
[04 Aug 14:32] Gladio aye
[04 Aug 14:32] Gulliver AYE
[04 Aug 14:32] Eluvatar okay
[04 Aug 14:33] Eluvatar Now how about them 2/3 rules?
[04 Aug 14:33] Eluvatar we have 2 separate ways to remove people non-automatically
[04 Aug 14:33] Eluvatar - for breaking the charter, and otherwise
[04 Aug 14:33] mcmasterdonia they are both fine
[04 Aug 14:33] Eluvatar both currently require a 2/3 majority vote of the party
[04 Aug 14:33] Eluvatar What it does do is require a distinction
[04 Aug 14:33] Eluvatar when people want someone removed
[04 Aug 14:34] Eluvatar whether they want them removed for breaking our rules, or they just want them out
[04 Aug 14:34] Eluvatar Is that worth the extra clause?
[04 Aug 14:34] mcmasterdonia yes
[04 Aug 14:34] Gulliver No
[04 Aug 14:34] Gulliver Someone could state "breakinhg rules" as the reason if it's just any reaosn
[04 Aug 14:34] Gulliver *reason
[04 Aug 14:34] Gulliver I can't type
[04 Aug 14:34] Abbey Sorry. Back.
[04 Aug 14:35] mcmasterdonia yay
[04 Aug 14:35] Finn|Away vote? :p
[04 Aug 14:35] Eluvatar Abbey: please vote on keeping "Government must ensure that private business is conducted fairly."
[04 Aug 14:35] Gladio wb abbey
[04 Aug 14:35] Eluvatar aye = keep; nay = not keep
[04 Aug 14:35] mcmasterdonia not keep or revise
[04 Aug 14:35] Eluvatar not keep = remove or revise
[04 Aug 14:35] Eluvatar yes
[04 Aug 14:36] Abbey .vote AYE
[04 Aug 14:36] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 3
[04 Aug 14:36] mcmasterdonia Finn, now or never
[04 Aug 14:36] Eluvatar heh
[04 Aug 14:36] Eluvatar five...
[04 Aug 14:36] Eluvatar three...
[04 Aug 14:36] Eluvatar .close_vote
[04 Aug 14:36] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Closing the vote.
[04 Aug 14:36] FriarTuck Aye:3;Nay:2;Abstain:1
[04 Aug 14:36] FriarTuck Aye got the most votes with 3 out of 5 (1 abstentions)
[04 Aug 14:36] FriarTuck Aye got a majority of the votes
[04 Aug 14:36] mcmasterdonia ew
[04 Aug 14:36] mcmasterdonia lol
[04 Aug 14:37] Eluvatar Now I think we're done with articles 1 and 2, at least for now.
[04 Aug 14:37] Eluvatar oh wait no
[04 Aug 14:37] Eluvatar we were still considering clauses 5 & 6 of article 2
[04 Aug 14:37] Eluvatar A member’s violation of this charter may only be recognized by a two thirds majority party vote.
[04 Aug 14:37] Eluvatar A two thirds majority party vote may remove any member from the party at any time.
[04 Aug 14:37] Eluvatar Gulliver believes that that is in fact redundant, yes?
[04 Aug 14:37] Gulliver Hm
[04 Aug 14:37] Gulliver Let me think
[04 Aug 14:37] Abbey Hm, Gulliver?
[04 Aug 14:38] Eluvatar arguably without clause (5)
[04 Aug 14:38] Gulliver Well does recognizing a violation do anything
[04 Aug 14:38] Eluvatar clause (2) could allow the Secretary to boot people for violations
[04 Aug 14:38] Eluvatar 2. Any member who is convicted of a criminal offense by the Court of The North Pacific or violates this charter will cease to be a member.
[04 Aug 14:38] mcmasterdonia yeah so get rid of 5
[04 Aug 14:38] Eluvatar so then who adjudicates violations of the charter?
[04 Aug 14:38] Abbey I'm not convinced
[04 Aug 14:38] Abbey What Elu said
[04 Aug 14:38] Abbey although you could argue
[04 Aug 14:39] Eluvatar We could do unanimous agreement of all party officers??
[04 Aug 14:39] mcmasterdonia or remove that part in part 2
[04 Aug 14:39] mcmasterdonia and get rid of five
[04 Aug 14:39] Gulliver Well if there's something that happens when there's a violation
[04 Aug 14:39] mcmasterdonia and keep 6
[04 Aug 14:39] Abbey that you could just meld charter violations into the party vote
[04 Aug 14:39] Gulliver Then obviously there has to be some way of recognizing them
[04 Aug 14:39] Gulliver But is there any part where recognizing a violation leads to something
[04 Aug 14:39] mcmasterdonia 6 allows for removal for any reason....
[04 Aug 14:39] Abbey Part 2, ceasing to be a member
[04 Aug 14:39] Abbey but yeah
[04 Aug 14:39] Eluvatar how about this
[04 Aug 14:39] Eluvatar we drop (5)
[04 Aug 14:40] Eluvatar and have the new (5) be:
[04 Aug 14:40] Gulliver Ah okay
[04 Aug 14:40] Gulliver It is included in the violating laws bit
[04 Aug 14:40] Gulliver Then keeping it is fine
[04 Aug 14:40] Eluvatar "A two thirds majority party vote may remove any member from the party at any time, for violating this charter or otherwise."
[04 Aug 14:40] Gladio ^^
[04 Aug 14:40] * Abbey nods
[04 Aug 14:40] Abbey I like that
[04 Aug 14:40] mcmasterdonia so you drop 6 then
[04 Aug 14:40] Eluvatar but then it's still arguably unclear
[04 Aug 14:40] Abbey although you'd need to drop the charter violation bit in 2.
[04 Aug 14:40] Eluvatar Right.
[04 Aug 14:41] Abbey Yeah, leave that bit.
[04 Aug 14:42] Eluvatar So, motion to change 2.2 to "2. Any member who is convicted of a criminal offense by the Court of The North Pacific will cease to be a member." remove 2.5 and alter 2.6 to "5. A two thirds majority party vote may remove any member from the party at any time, for violating this charter or otherwise."
[04 Aug 14:42] Abbey Seconded.
[04 Aug 14:42] Eluvatar (I oppose this motion btw)
[04 Aug 14:42] mcmasterdonia so drop 2.6 and alter five lol
[04 Aug 14:42] Eluvatar .open_vote
[04 Aug 14:42] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Vote opened!
[04 Aug 14:42] Eluvatar .vote nay
[04 Aug 14:42] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Nay bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 14:42] mcmasterdonia .aye
[04 Aug 14:42] mcmasterdonia .vote aye
[04 Aug 14:42] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 14:43] Abbey .vote aye
[04 Aug 14:43] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 2
[04 Aug 14:43] Gladio .vote aye
[04 Aug 14:43] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 3
[04 Aug 14:43] Gulliver .vote nay
[04 Aug 14:43] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Nay bringing it to 2
[04 Aug 14:43] Eluvatar Wham and Finn|Away have yet to vote
[04 Aug 14:43] Eluvatar I don't expect Wham will vote though
[04 Aug 14:43] Abbey Wham's not going to
[04 Aug 14:43] Gladio he's afk
[04 Aug 14:43] mcmasterdonia lol
[04 Aug 14:44] Abbey And Finn may have actually gone
[04 Aug 14:44] * Abbey pokes Finn|Away
[04 Aug 14:44] Eluvatar aight
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[04 Aug 14:44] Finn|Away .vote abstain
[04 Aug 14:44] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Abstain bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 14:44] mcmasterdonia I still sometimes go to call Finn jamie
[04 Aug 14:44] Eluvatar .close_vote
[04 Aug 14:44] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Closing the vote.
[04 Aug 14:44] FriarTuck Aye:3;Nay:2;Abstain:1
[04 Aug 14:44] FriarTuck Aye got the most votes with 3 out of 5 (1 abstentions)
[04 Aug 14:44] FriarTuck Aye got a majority of the votes
[04 Aug 14:44] Eluvatar okay then, simplification time
[04 Aug 14:44] Eluvatar Applied.
[04 Aug 14:45] Eluvatar Article 3.
[04 Aug 14:45] Abbey I think the general idea is that if you're voting to remove a member, you'll state why and you'll get an idea as to if it's considered a charter violation
[04 Aug 14:45] Eluvatar Right.
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[04 Aug 14:45] Eluvatar Article 3: Party Congresses
[04 Aug 14:45] Eluvatar This adds a mechanism whereby a majority of the party can open a congress spontaneously
[04 Aug 14:45] mcmasterdonia Ok, I'm going to bed
[04 Aug 14:45] Eluvatar without the 72 hours warning system.
[04 Aug 14:45] mcmasterdonia I give Abbey my vote
[04 Aug 14:45] * Eluvatar nods
[04 Aug 14:45] Eluvatar .weight Abbey 2
[04 Aug 14:45] Eluvatar .weight mcmasterdonia 0
[04 Aug 14:45] Eluvatar .cw Abbey
[04 Aug 14:45] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Abbey has 2 votes!
[04 Aug 14:46] Eluvatar .cw mcmasterdonia
[04 Aug 14:46] FriarTuck Eluvatar: mcmasterdonia has 0 votes!
[04 Aug 14:46] mcmasterdonia Use it wisely Abbey :P
[04 Aug 14:46] Finn|Away that's not very democratic D:
[04 Aug 14:46] Abbey Ooops :P I will :P
[04 Aug 14:46] Eluvatar XD
[04 Aug 14:46] Gladio yeah :(
[04 Aug 14:46] * Finn|Away objects
[04 Aug 14:46] Gulliver Proxy voting is a thing Finn
[04 Aug 14:46] mcmasterdonia|away I'm a party member
[04 Aug 14:46] Abbey This is what's known as multi-window screwups
[04 Aug 14:46] Eluvatar XD
[04 Aug 14:46] Finn|Away it's odd though Gulliver :P
[04 Aug 14:46] Gulliver Not really
[04 Aug 14:46] Gulliver .wik Proxy voting
[04 Aug 14:46] FriarTuck "Proxy voting is a form of voting whereby some members of a decision-making body may delegate their voting power to other members of the same body to vote in their absence, and/or to select additional representatives." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_voting
[04 Aug 14:47] mcmasterdonia|away Well if its that much of a big deal get rid of it, but i thought it was acceptable practice.
[04 Aug 14:47] Eluvatar Now, are we fine with letting a majority of members open a congress spontaneously?
[04 Aug 14:47] Abbey Yup, no issues there
[04 Aug 14:47] Abbey it seems daft not to
[04 Aug 14:47] Abbey not that it's ever likely unless the membership falls signficantly :P
[04 Aug 14:47] Gulliver Wait is it an absolute majority of party members
[04 Aug 14:48] Gulliver Or a majority of a quorum
[04 Aug 14:48] Abbey Majority of party members
[04 Aug 14:48] Gulliver Well I guess probably if we have quorum it's very unlikely someone will be like
[04 Aug 14:48] Eluvatar An absolute majority of party members
[04 Aug 14:48] Gulliver NO FUCK YOU
[04 Aug 14:48] Abbey so an absolute, I'd imagine
[04 Aug 14:48] Gulliver NO CONGRESS
[04 Aug 14:48] Gulliver Absolute majority is fine
[04 Aug 14:48] Eluvatar k
[04 Aug 14:48] Gladio yes
[04 Aug 14:48] Eluvatar It continues requiring this channel, #ncpp , for congresses
[04 Aug 14:49] Eluvatar keeps "The deliberations may only be censored by vote of the Congress for personal privacy reasons." which Jamie didn't like
[04 Aug 14:49] Abbey Why?
[04 Aug 14:49] Eluvatar Jamie wanted to be able to talk smack I guess XD
[04 Aug 14:49] Abbey Isn't one of the fundamental principles that the Government is accountable?
[04 Aug 14:49] Abbey and open
[04 Aug 14:49] Gulliver Yes
[04 Aug 14:49] Eluvatar Yes it is
[04 Aug 14:49] Abbey thus, it makes sense to follow that through into our own party proceedings
[04 Aug 14:49] Eluvatar Yep
[04 Aug 14:50] mcmasterdonia|away The government doesn't release logs of its conversations :/
[04 Aug 14:50] Eluvatar The cabinet's supposed to
[04 Aug 14:50] mcmasterdonia|away last thing from me and I am actually off to bed
[04 Aug 14:50] Eluvatar >.<
[04 Aug 14:50] mcmasterdonia|away Supposed to... hmm
[04 Aug 14:50] Eluvatar I'll probably be releasing some old logs I've forgotten about
[04 Aug 14:50] Abbey Yeah, the Cabinet should
[04 Aug 14:50] Eluvatar when I release this
[04 Aug 14:50] Eluvatar it's just annoying to do all the stuff I like to do with logs >_>
[04 Aug 14:51] Abbey And it's certainly a "Practice what you preach" scenario
[04 Aug 14:51] Eluvatar Precisely.
[04 Aug 14:51] Eluvatar Now, the last clause, then
[04 Aug 14:51] Eluvatar 7. If a sufficient fraction of all party members voted for the final statement of a Party Congress, it may immediately take effect. Otherwise, a seven day vote must be held on the forum, and those who fail to vote in that time will be considered to have abstained.
[04 Aug 14:51] Abbey What is a "sufficient fraction"
[04 Aug 14:51] Eluvatar it's a little weird because we have majority votes and we have 2/3 majority votes
[04 Aug 14:51] Eluvatar so the sufficient fraction is over 1/2 or over 2/3 of the whole party
[04 Aug 14:52] Eluvatar (excluding any who abstain)
[04 Aug 14:52] Abbey aaaah
[04 Aug 14:52] Eluvatar perhaps we should say this explicitly
[04 Aug 14:52] Abbey depending on what the vote is on
[04 Aug 14:52] Abbey Yeah
[04 Aug 14:52] Gulliver About that clause
[04 Aug 14:52] Abbey it's a little confusing at first
[04 Aug 14:52] Gulliver we can make it clearer with the term "absolute majority"
[04 Aug 14:53] Eluvatar 7. If a part of the final statement of a Party Congress requires a majority, and a majority of party members who have not abstained have voted in favor, that part will take effect immediately.
[04 Aug 14:53] Abbey That's what the "of all party members" is for
[04 Aug 14:53] Eluvatar 7. If a part of the final statement of a Party Congress requires a majority, and a majority of all party members who have not abstained have voted in favor, that part will take effect immediately.
[04 Aug 14:53] Eluvatar 8. If a part of the final statement of a Party Congress requirse a two thirds majority, and a two thirds majority of all party members who have not abstained have voted in favor, that part will take effect immediately.
[04 Aug 14:54] Abbey I think that's getting messy
[04 Aug 14:54] Eluvatar 9. All other parts of the final statement of a Party Congress will be subject to a seven day vote held on the forum, and any members who fail to vote will be considered to have abstained.
[04 Aug 14:54] Eluvatar Yes.
[04 Aug 14:54] Eluvatar But do we want to clarify (7) ?
[04 Aug 14:54] Abbey There has to be a neater way of doing that
[04 Aug 14:55] Eluvatar I'd love it if someone came up with it.
[04 Aug 14:56] * Eluvatar thinks a bit
[04 Aug 14:57] Abbey “If the relevant fraction (for each part of a final statement) of all party members vote in favour, it may immediately take effect.”
[04 Aug 14:57] Eluvatar instead of the current first sentence?
[04 Aug 14:57] Eluvatar Do you want to say "of all party members excluding abstentions" ?
[04 Aug 14:57] Abbey Yeah
[04 Aug 14:57] Abbey hm
[04 Aug 14:57] Abbey yeah
[04 Aug 14:58] Eluvatar ok
[04 Aug 14:58] Eluvatar Motion to change the first sentence of 3.7 to "If the relevant fraction (for each part of a final statement) of all party members excluding abstentions vote in favor, it may immediately take effect."
[04 Aug 14:58] Abbey Seconded.
[04 Aug 14:58] Eluvatar .open_vote
[04 Aug 14:58] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Vote opened!
[04 Aug 14:58] Eluvatar .vote AYE
[04 Aug 14:58] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 14:58] Gladio .vote aye
[04 Aug 14:58] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 2
[04 Aug 14:58] Abbey .vote AYE
[04 Aug 14:58] FriarTuck 2 votes added to Aye bringing it to 4
[04 Aug 14:58] Eluvatar lol
[04 Aug 14:59] Eluvatar DOUBLED
[04 Aug 14:59] Gulliver Oh no I was too slow to comment
[04 Aug 14:59] Abbey FEEL THE POWER
[04 Aug 14:59] Eluvatar It's not too late lol
[04 Aug 14:59] Abbey No, it's not
[04 Aug 15:00] Eluvatar But it will be soon :P
[04 Aug 15:00] * Abbey tickles Gulliver
[04 Aug 15:00] Gulliver "If the relevant fraction of all party members excluding abstentions vote in favor of any part of the final statement of a Party Congress , it may immediately take effect."
[04 Aug 15:00] Abbey I considered that but I hated the run on sentence
[04 Aug 15:01] Abbey The brackets broke it up
[04 Aug 15:01] Eluvatar I guess
[04 Aug 15:01] Gulliver Or maybe "For any part of the final statement of a Party Congress, if the relevant fraction of all party members excluding abstentions vote in favor it will take immediate effect"
[04 Aug 15:01] Abbey it's more stylistic than anything
[04 Aug 15:01] Eluvatar I like that last one
[04 Aug 15:01] Abbey That I prefer.
[04 Aug 15:01] Eluvatar .vote nay
[04 Aug 15:01] FriarTuck 1 votes removed from Aye leaving it at 3
[04 Aug 15:01] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Nay bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 15:01] Gulliver .vote nay
[04 Aug 15:01] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Nay bringing it to 2
[04 Aug 15:01] Abbey .vote nay
[04 Aug 15:01] FriarTuck 2 votes removed from Aye leaving it at 1
[04 Aug 15:01] FriarTuck 2 votes added to Nay bringing it to 4
[04 Aug 15:01] Gladio .vote nay
[04 Aug 15:01] FriarTuck 1 votes removed from Aye leaving it at 0
[04 Aug 15:01] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Nay bringing it to 5
[04 Aug 15:01] Eluvatar .close_vote
[04 Aug 15:01] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Closing the vote.
[04 Aug 15:01] FriarTuck Nay:5
[04 Aug 15:01] FriarTuck Nay got the most votes with 5 out of 5 (0 abstentions)
[04 Aug 15:01] FriarTuck Nay got a majority of the votes
[04 Aug 15:02] Eluvatar .open_vote
[04 Aug 15:02] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Vote opened!
[04 Aug 15:02] Eluvatar on "For any part of the final statement of a Party Congress, if the relevant fraction of all party members excluding abstentions vote in favor it will take immediate effect"
[04 Aug 15:02] Eluvatar .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:02] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 15:02] Gulliver .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:02] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 2
[04 Aug 15:02] <-- OE left the channel
[04 Aug 15:02] Gladio .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:02] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 3
[04 Aug 15:02] Gulliver I may have left out some commas but >__>
[04 Aug 15:02] Abbey .vote Aya
[04 Aug 15:02] FriarTuck 2 votes added to Aya bringing it to 2
[04 Aug 15:03] Abbey How do I remove my vote? :P
[04 Aug 15:03] Gladio lol
[04 Aug 15:03] Gladio vote again
[04 Aug 15:03] Abbey .vote Aye
[04 Aug 15:03] FriarTuck 2 votes removed from Aya leaving it at 0
[04 Aug 15:03] FriarTuck 2 votes added to Aye bringing it to 5
[04 Aug 15:03] Eluvatar yep
[04 Aug 15:03] * Abbey giggles
[04 Aug 15:03] Eluvatar .close_vote
[04 Aug 15:03] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Closing the vote.
[04 Aug 15:03] FriarTuck Aye:5
[04 Aug 15:03] FriarTuck Aye got the most votes with 5 out of 5 (0 abstentions)
[04 Aug 15:03] FriarTuck Aye got a majority of the votes
[04 Aug 15:04] Eluvatar okay now Article 4
[04 Aug 15:04] Eluvatar Definitely worth changing is 4.4
[04 Aug 15:04] * Abbey nods
[04 Aug 15:04] Abbey I didn't like that
[04 Aug 15:04] Abbey at all
[04 Aug 15:04] Gulliver Which one is that
[04 Aug 15:05] Eluvatar Motion to change 4.4 to "Any officer may tender a letter of resignation to the Secretary at any time. If an officer does so, an election for the position will be held. Until a new officer is elected, the most senior party member who is not an Officer will execute the duties of the vacant office."
[04 Aug 15:05] Abbey hmm
[04 Aug 15:05] Eluvatar or perhaps that can be phrased better
[04 Aug 15:05] Eluvatar (instead of "Any officer may tender a letter of resignation to the Secretary at any time. If an officer does so, an election for the position will be held. If the election concludes successfully and a new officer is elected, the former officer will be relieved of their office and the newly elected officer will take their place. If no new officer is elected, the officer’s letter of resignation will be refused.")
[04 Aug 15:06] Gulliver I think when I originally wrote this I put in "at any time" in several places where it's strictly not necessayr, like here
[04 Aug 15:06] Eluvatar xD
[04 Aug 15:06] Gulliver Since that's already implicit in a blanket "may" statement
[04 Aug 15:06] Eluvatar yeah
[04 Aug 15:06] * Abbey nods
[04 Aug 15:06] Gulliver May as well remove this one while we're at it
[04 Aug 15:07] Eluvatar how about "Any officer may tender a letter of resignation to the Secretary, initiating an immediate election to that position. Until a replacement officer is elected, the most senior party member who is not an officer will execute the duties of the vacant office."
[04 Aug 15:07] Abbey That works
[04 Aug 15:07] Gladio sounds good
[04 Aug 15:07] Eluvatar ok, I move to vote on that last suggestion
[04 Aug 15:07] Eluvatar is there a second?
[04 Aug 15:08] Abbey I'll second.
[04 Aug 15:08] Eluvatar .open_vote
[04 Aug 15:08] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Vote opened!
[04 Aug 15:08] Eluvatar .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:08] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 15:08] Gladio .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:08] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 2
[04 Aug 15:08] Abbey .vote Aye
[04 Aug 15:08] FriarTuck 2 votes added to Aye bringing it to 4
[04 Aug 15:08] Gulliver .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:08] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 5
[04 Aug 15:08] Eluvatar heh doubled again
[04 Aug 15:08] Eluvatar .close_vote
[04 Aug 15:08] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Closing the vote.
[04 Aug 15:08] FriarTuck Aye:5
[04 Aug 15:08] FriarTuck Aye got the most votes with 5 out of 5 (0 abstentions)
[04 Aug 15:08] FriarTuck Aye got a majority of the votes
[04 Aug 15:08] Abbey I have the power!
[04 Aug 15:09] Eluvatar Now we can briefly review article 5
[04 Aug 15:09] Eluvatar it basically says that we take the week before any regional election to have a primary
[04 Aug 15:09] Eluvatar a problem is that Council of Five elections can happen without warning, currently
[04 Aug 15:09] Eluvatar Obviously I could as Delegate give the party one week warning XD
[04 Aug 15:09] Eluvatar but that's not stable.
[04 Aug 15:09] Eluvatar Also we could seek to lobby for all elections to have at least a week's notice
[04 Aug 15:09] Abbey "A week prior to any scheduled regional election...."
[04 Aug 15:10] Eluvatar That works.
[04 Aug 15:10] Eluvatar We should probably have something for unscheduled elections in general
[04 Aug 15:10] Eluvatar as Special elections aren't going away.
[04 Aug 15:10] Abbey Yeah, was about to say that
[04 Aug 15:10] Gulliver Hm
[04 Aug 15:10] Abbey Possibly say that the party can convene a congress for the purposes of selecting candidates in special elections?
[04 Aug 15:11] Eluvatar which doesn't require an absolute majority?
[04 Aug 15:11] Eluvatar okay
[04 Aug 15:11] Abbey Just for practical purposes
[04 Aug 15:12] Eluvatar Motion to add "scheduled" before "regional election" in 5.1, and add in a clause 3 to article 5 reading "3. For any unscheduled election, the Party may select candidates in a Congress convoked for that purpose by a majority vote of attendees."
[04 Aug 15:12] Eluvatar *unscheduled regional election
[04 Aug 15:12] Eluvatar Motion to add "scheduled" before "regional election" in 5.1, and add in a clause 3 to article 5 reading "3. For any unscheduled regional election, the Party may select candidates in a Congress convoked for that purpose by a majority vote of attendees."
[04 Aug 15:12] Abbey Before I second, are you good with that Gulliver, Gladio?
[04 Aug 15:12] Gulliver The wording in the second is ambigious
[04 Aug 15:13] Gulliver Since it could be interpreted as the attendees convoking by a majority vote
[04 Aug 15:13] * Finn|Busy likes how Abbey doesn't ask him :(
[04 Aug 15:13] Gladio yes it's fine
[04 Aug 15:13] Eluvatar I seee
[04 Aug 15:13] Abbey You're marked as Busy, Finn
[04 Aug 15:13] Eluvatar good catch Gulliver
[04 Aug 15:13] Abbey oooh very good catch
[04 Aug 15:13] Eluvatar Motion to add "scheduled" before "regional election" in 5.1, and add in a clause 3 to article 5 reading "3. For any unscheduled regional election, the Party may select candidates by a majority vote of attendees of a Congress convoked for that purpose."
[04 Aug 15:14] * Abbey nods
[04 Aug 15:14] Eluvatar second?
[04 Aug 15:14] Abbey I'll second.
[04 Aug 15:14] Eluvatar And I withdraw the previous motions <_<
[04 Aug 15:14] Abbey xD
[04 Aug 15:14] Eluvatar .open_vote
[04 Aug 15:14] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Vote opened!
[04 Aug 15:14] Eluvatar .vote AYE
[04 Aug 15:14] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 15:14] Gulliver .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:14] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 2
[04 Aug 15:14] Gladio .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:14] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 3
[04 Aug 15:14] Abbey .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:14] FriarTuck 2 votes added to Aye bringing it to 5
[04 Aug 15:14] * Eluvatar pokes Finn|Around
[04 Aug 15:14] Finn|Around .vote abstain
[04 Aug 15:14] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Abstain bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 15:14] Eluvatar .close_vote
[04 Aug 15:14] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Closing the vote.
[04 Aug 15:14] FriarTuck Aye:5;Abstain:1
[04 Aug 15:14] FriarTuck Aye got the most votes with 5 out of 5 (1 abstentions)
[04 Aug 15:14] Abbey Why do you always Abstaaaaaaaaain
[04 Aug 15:14] FriarTuck Aye got a majority of the votes
[04 Aug 15:14] Finn|Around Abbey, Wham says I always do, so I'm proving him right :p
[04 Aug 15:14] Abbey >.<
[04 Aug 15:15] Abbey Silly beggar
[04 Aug 15:15] Finn|Around I'm abstaining on the doctrine too
[04 Aug 15:15] Eluvatar You're supposed to prove him wrong D:
[04 Aug 15:15] Eluvatar Article 6.
[04 Aug 15:15] Eluvatar Resolutions.
[04 Aug 15:15] Eluvatar We should probably require a publicly posted listing of all party resolutions
[04 Aug 15:15] Abbey Yeah
[04 Aug 15:15] Eluvatar 'cause otherwise it can be kind of confusing
[04 Aug 15:16] Abbey and simple majority -of-?
[04 Aug 15:16] Eluvatar of the party excluding those who abstain
[04 Aug 15:16] Eluvatar that's gone into in 3.7
[04 Aug 15:16] Eluvatar perhaps we can actually drop the "simple"
[04 Aug 15:17] Finn|Around That's not really necessary, is it?
[04 Aug 15:17] Eluvatar motion to drop "simple" from 6.2 and add 6.4: "4. The Secretary will maintain a public listing of active resolutions."
[04 Aug 15:17] Abbey Well, resolutions aren't statements of congresses, per se
[04 Aug 15:17] Finn|Around seconded eluvatar.
[04 Aug 15:17] Eluvatar They are parts thereof
[04 Aug 15:17] Eluvatar .open_vote
[04 Aug 15:17] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Vote opened!
[04 Aug 15:17] Eluvatar .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:17] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 15:17] Finn|Around .vote Nay
[04 Aug 15:17] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Nay bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 15:17] Eluvatar lol
[04 Aug 15:17] Finn|Around I voted :o
[04 Aug 15:17] Eluvatar I thought you were abstaining :O
[04 Aug 15:17] Abbey I'm still not sure
[04 Aug 15:18] Finn|Around abstain? :p
[04 Aug 15:18] Abbey .vote nay
[04 Aug 15:18] FriarTuck 2 votes added to Nay bringing it to 3
[04 Aug 15:18] Eluvatar well we can adjust 6.2 further in a mo'
[04 Aug 15:18] Gladio .vote abstain
[04 Aug 15:18] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Abstain bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 15:18] Eluvatar XD
[04 Aug 15:18] Finn|Around .vote Abstain
[04 Aug 15:18] FriarTuck 1 votes removed from Nay leaving it at 2
[04 Aug 15:18] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Abstain bringing it to 2
[04 Aug 15:18] Abbey >.<
[04 Aug 15:18] Finn|Around :
[04 Aug 15:18] Finn|Around :D
[04 Aug 15:18] Eluvatar Gulliver!
[04 Aug 15:18] Finn|Around .vote Nay
[04 Aug 15:18] FriarTuck 1 votes removed from Abstain leaving it at 1
[04 Aug 15:18] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Nay bringing it to 3
[04 Aug 15:18] Finn|Around kidding :p
[04 Aug 15:18] Gulliver Wait
[04 Aug 15:18] Abbey I want us to consider this a bit more
[04 Aug 15:19] Gulliver .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:19] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 2
[04 Aug 15:20] * Abbey pokes Eluvatar
[04 Aug 15:20] Eluvatar .close_vote
[04 Aug 15:20] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Closing the vote.
[04 Aug 15:20] FriarTuck Aye:2;Nay:3;Abstain:1
[04 Aug 15:20] FriarTuck Nay got the most votes with 3 out of 5 (1 abstentions)
[04 Aug 15:20] FriarTuck Nay got a majority of the votes
[04 Aug 15:20] Eluvatar okay
[04 Aug 15:20] Abbey I just think we dump the "Any resolution will require a simple majority" bit
[04 Aug 15:21] Abbey Because it's covered in 3.7
[04 Aug 15:21] Abbey oh, actually
[04 Aug 15:21] Abbey nuh
[04 Aug 15:21] Eluvatar 3.7 doesn't say which kinds of things require which kinds of majority
[04 Aug 15:21] Abbey yeah
[04 Aug 15:21] Abbey That just dawned on me
[04 Aug 15:21] Abbey okay, use the majority standard we've used elsewhere as that's plainly the intent
[04 Aug 15:22] Abbey bah
[04 Aug 15:22] Abbey I'm in a muddle
[04 Aug 15:22] --> Bel joined the channel
[04 Aug 15:22] Abbey bah
[04 Aug 15:22] Gulliver A wild Bel appears
[04 Aug 15:22] Eluvatar We need to somehow state that Resolutions require a majority
[04 Aug 15:22] Abbey Okay, *has rethought&
[04 Aug 15:22] Abbey Yeah, can we retable the last motion? :P
[04 Aug 15:22] Eluvatar sure
[04 Aug 15:23] Finn No. :P
[04 Aug 15:23] Eluvatar .open_vote
[04 Aug 15:23] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Vote opened!
[04 Aug 15:23] Abbey Why?
[04 Aug 15:23] Eluvatar .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:23] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 15:23] Abbey .vote Aye
[04 Aug 15:23] FriarTuck 2 votes added to Aye bringing it to 3
[04 Aug 15:23] Eluvatar lol
[04 Aug 15:23] Abbey Tripled!
[04 Aug 15:23] Eluvatar oh mcmasterdonia's proxy vote
[04 Aug 15:23] Finn .voe Nay
[04 Aug 15:23] Finn .vote Nay
[04 Aug 15:23] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Nay bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 15:23] Gladio .vote abstain
[04 Aug 15:23] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Abstain bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 15:23] * Finn prods Gulliver
[04 Aug 15:23] Eluvatar XD
[04 Aug 15:24] Gulliver I'm not even sure what we're voting on
[04 Aug 15:24] Finn re-tabling what we just passed.
[04 Aug 15:24] Abbey What we just didn't pass, more :P
[04 Aug 15:24] Finn oh.
[04 Aug 15:24] Abbey Because I got myself in a muddle.
[04 Aug 15:24] Finn yeah.
[04 Aug 15:24] Eluvatar 15:17 <@Eluvatar> motion to drop "simple" from 6.2 and add 6.4: "4. The Secretary will maintain a public listing of active resolutions."
[04 Aug 15:24] Eluvatar ^
[04 Aug 15:24] Finn Oh.
[04 Aug 15:24] Finn I thought you meant something else.
[04 Aug 15:24] Gladio .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:24] FriarTuck 1 votes removed from Abstain leaving it at 0
[04 Aug 15:24] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 4
[04 Aug 15:24] Finn what are we voting on?
[04 Aug 15:25] Eluvatar 15:17 <@Eluvatar> motion to drop "simple" from 6.2 and add 6.4: "4. The Secretary will maintain a public listing of active resolutions."
[04 Aug 15:25] Finn .vote Aye
[04 Aug 15:25] FriarTuck 1 votes removed from Nay leaving it at 0
[04 Aug 15:25] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 5
[04 Aug 15:25] Finn I was confused :P
[04 Aug 15:25] Abbey Sorry, my fault
[04 Aug 15:25] Eluvatar XD
[04 Aug 15:25] * Eluvatar waits a bit for Gulliver
[04 Aug 15:25] Eluvatar .in 1 minute stop waiting
[04 Aug 15:25] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Okay, will remind at 19:26Z
[04 Aug 15:25] Gulliver Didn't I already vote aye on that
[04 Aug 15:25] Gulliver .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:25] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 6
[04 Aug 15:26] Abbey We redid it
[04 Aug 15:26] Eluvatar .close_vote
[04 Aug 15:26] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Closing the vote.
[04 Aug 15:26] FriarTuck Aye:6
[04 Aug 15:26] FriarTuck Aye got the most votes with 6 out of 6 (0 abstentions)
[04 Aug 15:26] Abbey Because I got in a tizzy
[04 Aug 15:26] FriarTuck Aye got a majority of the votes
[04 Aug 15:26] FriarTuck Eluvatar: stop waiting
[04 Aug 15:26] Eluvatar And 7: Amendments
[04 Aug 15:26] Eluvatar Any member may convoke a Party Congress whose business will be the adoption of a particular amendment to this charter.
[04 Aug 15:26] Eluvatar An amendment to this charter will require a two-thirds majority.
[04 Aug 15:26] Eluvatar I see no need to alter the above?
[04 Aug 15:27] Abbey Me neither
[04 Aug 15:27] Gladio /agreed
[04 Aug 15:27] Eluvatar allright.
[04 Aug 15:28] Gulliver Aye
[04 Aug 15:28] Finn Yes.
[04 Aug 15:28] Eluvatar Now, our current list of resolutions is here: http://forum.thenorthpacific.org/single/?p=8044703&t=6833237
[04 Aug 15:28] --> Durk joined the channel
[04 Aug 15:28] Eluvatar I think we should, while passing the Charter, also discard many of these
[04 Aug 15:29] Abbey Yes
[04 Aug 15:29] Eluvatar resolution 1 and 2 can go, as can 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10
[04 Aug 15:29] Eluvatar also 12
[04 Aug 15:29] Eluvatar so we should, I think, keep some subset of:
[04 Aug 15:29] Eluvatar 3: fundamental reform of the Constitution and Legal Code to be the top priority of the party
[04 Aug 15:29] Eluvatar 4: Party color is red.
[04 Aug 15:29] Eluvatar 4: Party color is red.
[04 Aug 15:29] Eluvatar er
[04 Aug 15:30] Eluvatar 5: Party name is Progressive Party (abbreviated ProP)
[04 Aug 15:30] Eluvatar 11. http://i.imgur.com/Rmxgd.png adopted as party logo.
[04 Aug 15:30] Eluvatar motion to vote on keeping (3) (aye = keep, nay = revise or drop)
[04 Aug 15:31] Abbey Second
[04 Aug 15:31] Gulliver Revise or drop what
[04 Aug 15:31] Gulliver 3, 4, 5, 11?
[04 Aug 15:31] Eluvatar 3: fundamental reform of the Constitution and Legal Code to be the top priority of the party
[04 Aug 15:32] Finn Isn't there a blue ProP logo too?
[04 Aug 15:32] Eluvatar Yes BWii has an alternate logo
[04 Aug 15:32] Finn Ah.
[04 Aug 15:32] Eluvatar Do we want to have it formally recognized as an alternate party logo?
[04 Aug 15:32] Finn Sure?
[04 Aug 15:32] Gladio i guess
[04 Aug 15:32] Abbey meh
[04 Aug 15:32] Gulliver Why is taht necessary
[04 Aug 15:33] Abbey ^
[04 Aug 15:33] Gulliver I just made it on his request
[04 Aug 15:33] Gulliver For personal flare
[04 Aug 15:33] Eluvatar *flair
[04 Aug 15:33] Finn Why isn't it necessary?
[04 Aug 15:33] Finn why should we just be red?
[04 Aug 15:33] Gulliver Because we already have a logo
[04 Aug 15:33] Eluvatar The blue version is clearly a riff on the official logo
[04 Aug 15:33] Eluvatar ergo, it is an unofficial logo
[04 Aug 15:33] Eluvatar all is well <_<
[04 Aug 15:33] Abbey yup :P
[04 Aug 15:33] Gulliver Having alternate official versions is potentially confusing
[04 Aug 15:33] Eluvatar I'd prefer if we focused on (3)
[04 Aug 15:33] Eluvatar 3: fundamental reform of the Constitution and Legal Code to be the top priority of the party
[04 Aug 15:34] Finn Do we really have to have red as an official color though?
[04 Aug 15:34] Eluvatar I'd rather not relitigate that
[04 Aug 15:34] Gulliver No but that's what we voted on originally
[04 Aug 15:34] Gulliver And I see no reason to change it
[04 Aug 15:34] Finn can't we just cut the party color?
[04 Aug 15:34] Gulliver Why?
[04 Aug 15:34] Gulliver It's a readily identifiable symbol for us
[04 Aug 15:35] Gulliver And one typical of political paraties
[04 Aug 15:35] Eluvatar I think it makes sense as a way to clearly request that if our party is represented by a colour, that colour should be red.
[04 Aug 15:35] Gulliver Parties
[04 Aug 15:35] Eluvatar Please guys can we just figure out if we want to keep this first:
[04 Aug 15:35] Eluvatar 3: fundamental reform of the Constitution and Legal Code to be the top priority of the party
[04 Aug 15:35] Abbey Yes
[04 Aug 15:35] Eluvatar oh it got seconded
[04 Aug 15:35] Eluvatar .open_vote
[04 Aug 15:35] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Vote opened!
[04 Aug 15:36] Abbey .vote Aye
[04 Aug 15:36] FriarTuck 2 votes added to Aye bringing it to 2
[04 Aug 15:36] Eluvatar .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:36] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 3
[04 Aug 15:36] Finn .vote Nay
[04 Aug 15:36] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Nay bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 15:36] Abbey Nearly voted Aya again
[04 Aug 15:36] Gulliver .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:36] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 4
[04 Aug 15:36] Gladio .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:36] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 5
[04 Aug 15:36] Eluvatar We can drop it after the consty is reformed and the legal code adjusted to that reform
[04 Aug 15:36] Abbey Yup.
[04 Aug 15:36] Eluvatar .close_vote
[04 Aug 15:36] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Closing the vote.
[04 Aug 15:36] FriarTuck Aye:5;Nay:1
[04 Aug 15:36] FriarTuck Aye got the most votes with 5 out of 6 (0 abstentions)
[04 Aug 15:36] FriarTuck Aye got a majority of the votes
[04 Aug 15:36] Eluvatar 4: Party color is red.
[04 Aug 15:36] * Gulliver needs to finish that damn omnibus proposal which is so cloooose
[04 Aug 15:36] Eluvatar motion to keep (4)
[04 Aug 15:36] Abbey Second.
[04 Aug 15:36] Gulliver second
[04 Aug 15:36] Eluvatar .open_vote
[04 Aug 15:36] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Vote opened!
[04 Aug 15:37] Eluvatar .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:37] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 15:37] Gladio .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:37] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 2
[04 Aug 15:37] Gulliver .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:37] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 3
[04 Aug 15:37] Abbey .vote Aye
[04 Aug 15:37] FriarTuck 2 votes added to Aye bringing it to 5
[04 Aug 15:37] Eluvatar .in 1 minute stop waiting for Jamie
[04 Aug 15:37] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Okay, will remind at 19:38Z
[04 Aug 15:37] Eluvatar aka Finn
[04 Aug 15:37] Finn I voted?
[04 Aug 15:37] Eluvatar not in this vote
[04 Aug 15:37] Eluvatar we're voting on the color now
[04 Aug 15:37] Abbey Not in this one..
[04 Aug 15:37] Finn .vote Nay
[04 Aug 15:37] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Nay bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 15:37] Eluvatar .close_vote
[04 Aug 15:37] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Closing the vote.
[04 Aug 15:37] FriarTuck Aye:5;Nay:1
[04 Aug 15:37] FriarTuck Aye got the most votes with 5 out of 6 (0 abstentions)
[04 Aug 15:37] FriarTuck Aye got a majority of the votes
[04 Aug 15:38] Eluvatar 5: Party name is Progressive Party (abbreviated ProP)
[04 Aug 15:38] Eluvatar I'm not sure if that resolution is necessary
[04 Aug 15:38] FriarTuck Eluvatar: stop waiting for Jamie
[04 Aug 15:38] Finn Seconded.
[04 Aug 15:38] Eluvatar It does define the abbreviation
[04 Aug 15:38] Eluvatar the Charter doesn't
[04 Aug 15:38] Eluvatar The charter refers to it exclusively as "the Progressive Party"
[04 Aug 15:39] Abbey Yup, Not a problem there
[04 Aug 15:39] Gulliver Of course if everyone just uses ProP anyway
[04 Aug 15:39] Gulliver Then it's the de facto abbreviation anyway
[04 Aug 15:39] Eluvatar So perhaps we'll just drop it
[04 Aug 15:39] Eluvatar Party logo
[04 Aug 15:39] Eluvatar 11. http://i.imgur.com/Rmxgd.png adopted as party logo.
[04 Aug 15:39] Abbey Definitely keep.
[04 Aug 15:39] Eluvatar Motion to keep (11)
[04 Aug 15:39] Abbey Seconded
[04 Aug 15:39] Eluvatar .open_vote
[04 Aug 15:40] Eluvatar acl
[04 Aug 15:40] Eluvatar .open_vote
[04 Aug 15:40] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Vote opened!
[04 Aug 15:40] Eluvatar *ack
[04 Aug 15:40] Eluvatar .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:40] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 15:40] Abbey .vote Aye
[04 Aug 15:40] FriarTuck 2 votes added to Aye bringing it to 3
[04 Aug 15:40] Gladio .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:40] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 4
[04 Aug 15:40] Gulliver .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:40] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 5
[04 Aug 15:40] Abbey FINN!
[04 Aug 15:40] Eluvatar .in 1 minute stop waiting for Jamie
[04 Aug 15:40] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Okay, will remind at 19:41Z
[04 Aug 15:41] FriarTuck Eluvatar: stop waiting for Jamie
[04 Aug 15:41] Finn WAIT
[04 Aug 15:41] Finn .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:41] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 6
[04 Aug 15:42] Eluvatar .close_vote
[04 Aug 15:42] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Closing the vote.
[04 Aug 15:42] FriarTuck Aye:6
[04 Aug 15:42] FriarTuck Aye got the most votes with 6 out of 6 (0 abstentions)
[04 Aug 15:42] FriarTuck Aye got a majority of the votes
[04 Aug 15:42] Eluvatar aight.
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#ncpp:
[04 Aug 15:42] Eluvatar Now, do we want to renumber the resolutions we're keeping for clarity
[04 Aug 15:42] Gulliver Yes
[04 Aug 15:42] Eluvatar No objections?
[04 Aug 15:42] * Abbey nods
[04 Aug 15:42] Abbey We could also fix the capitalisations in the first one
[04 Aug 15:42] Eluvatar Sure
[04 Aug 15:43] Eluvatar We don't have a majority of the entire party present, not by a long shot
[04 Aug 15:43] Abbey Nope
[04 Aug 15:43] Eluvatar so this will be a forum vote
[04 Aug 15:43] Eluvatar under current rules it will simply require a majority
[04 Aug 15:43] Eluvatar Let me slap together the forum post which I can post as the final statement of our COngress
[04 Aug 15:45] Eluvatar http://beta.primarypad.com/p/ProP_Congress_6_Final_Statement
[04 Aug 15:47] Eluvatar I'm thinking we should wait for the charter to pass
[04 Aug 15:47] Eluvatar before electing officers?
[04 Aug 15:47] Gulliver Probably
[04 Aug 15:47] Abbey Yeah
[04 Aug 15:50] Abbey You've not ended the Charter quote, Eluvatar
[04 Aug 15:51] Abbey oh, maybe you have
[04 Aug 15:51] Abbey *oops*
[04 Aug 15:53] Eluvatar I think I'm done.
[04 Aug 15:53] Eluvatar should I change "resolves" to "proposes" ?
[04 Aug 15:53] Eluvatar on the first line?
[04 Aug 15:53] Eluvatar or something?
[04 Aug 15:54] Abbey Nah, resolves is fine
[04 Aug 15:54] Eluvatar I added a sentence.
[04 Aug 15:55] Eluvatar All right, motion to vote on http://beta.primarypad.com/p/ProP_Congress_6_Final_Statement
[04 Aug 15:55] * Abbey nods and seconds
[04 Aug 15:55] Eluvatar .open_vote
[04 Aug 15:55] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Vote opened!
[04 Aug 15:55] Eluvatar .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:55] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 15:55] Abbey .vote Aye
[04 Aug 15:55] FriarTuck 2 votes added to Aye bringing it to 3
[04 Aug 15:55] Finn it says 3 2 3?
[04 Aug 15:56] Eluvatar it says 3.: [quote]1:\2:\3:[/quote]
[04 Aug 15:56] Finn ah.
[04 Aug 15:56] Gladio .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:56] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 4
[04 Aug 15:56] Finn .vote abstain
[04 Aug 15:56] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Abstain bringing it to 1
[04 Aug 15:56] Eluvatar Gulliver: last vote I hope
[04 Aug 15:57] Gulliver .vote aye
[04 Aug 15:57] FriarTuck 1 votes added to Aye bringing it to 5
[04 Aug 15:57] Eluvatar .close_vote
[04 Aug 15:57] FriarTuck Eluvatar: Closing the vote.
[04 Aug 15:57] FriarTuck Aye:5;Abstain:1
[04 Aug 15:57] FriarTuck Aye got the most votes with 5 out of 5 (1 abstentions)
[04 Aug 15:57] FriarTuck Aye got a majority of the votes
[04 Aug 15:57] Eluvatar aight
[04 Aug 15:57] Abbey Woop!
[04 Aug 15:57] Eluvatar DO we need an explicit motion to adjourn?
[04 Aug 15:58] Eluvatar I mean, that vote was on a _Final_ statement
[04 Aug 15:58] Abbey I don't think so reaaally
[04 Aug 15:58] Eluvatar okay, we're adjourned
[04 Aug 15:58] Eluvatar THE CONGRESS IS OVER
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I still count 5 aye, 0 against, 0 abstain, 14 not voted on the final statement of the Sixth Congress (the Charter). (5:0:0:14)

I count 2 sponsorships of 3 for Camwood (Hileville, Gulliver).
I count 0 sponsorships of 3 for Tyler.
I count 0 sponsorships of 3 for Prince Windsor.
I count 2 sponsorships of 3 for Belshaft (Abbey, Finn).
I count 1 sponsorship of 3 for Kogvuron (Finn).
 
Belschaft is now a member of the Progressive Party.

I still count 6 aye, 0 against, 0 abstain, 15 not voted on the final statement of the Sixth Congress (the Charter). (6:0:0:15)

I count 2 sponsorships of 3 for Camwood (Hileville, Gulliver).
I count 0 sponsorships of 3 for Tyler.
I count 1 sponsorship of 3 for Prince Windsor (Hileville).
I count 2 sponsorships of 3 for Kogvuron (Finn, Hileville).
 
Kogvuron is now a member of the Progressive Party.

I count 8 aye, 0 against, 0 abstain, 13 not voted on the final statement of the Sixth Congress (the Charter). (8:0:0:13)

I count 2 sponsorships of 3 for Camwood (Hileville, Gulliver).
I count 0 sponsorships of 3 for Tyler.
I count 1 sponsorship of 3 for Prince Windsor (Hileville).

1. Eluvatar
2. Gulliver
3. Whamabama *
4. A Mean Old Man (AMOM) *
5. Haxstree *
6. Felasia
7. Grimalkin (Agamemnon) *
8. Blue Wolf II (Blue_Wolf)
9. Dyr Nasad (Dyr) *
10. Oliver *
11. Todd McCloud
12. Earth
13. Hileville
14. mcmasterdonia
15. Abbey Anumia (Abbey)
16. Finn
17. Gladio
18. KiwiTaicho
19. Oriole Electronics (OE)
20. Belschaft (Bel)
21. Kogvuron
 
I count 9 aye, 0 against, 0 abstain, 12 not voted on the final statement of the Sixth Congress (the Charter). (9:0:0:12)
 
I count 10 aye, 0 against, 0 abstain, 11 not voted on the final statement of the Sixth Congress (the Charter). (10:0:0:11)
 
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