Trillium OOC

Hey, Syrixia, you know how we signed that nonaggression pact a ways back? Well, half of Nebula's gonna call to void that if you keep trying to get with Kannex again.

So, uh, think about it.
 
Nebula:
Hey, Syrixia, you know how we signed that nonaggression pact a ways back? Well, half of Nebula's gonna call to void that if you keep trying to get with Kannex again.

So, uh, think about it.
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Kannex is blocking any attempt by Syrixia to enter the Alliance.
 
Nebula:
Hey, Syrixia, you know how we signed that nonaggression pact a ways back? Well, half of Nebula's gonna call to void that if you keep trying to get with Kannex again.

So, uh, think about it.
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And this kids is why we can't have nice things in the world...

Also probably one of the major reasons why The Rose League declared neutrality and retreated behind it's missile defense shields... They were tired of the constant bickering and warmongering from Nebula and Syrixia...
 
Kannex:
Nebula:
Hey, Syrixia, you know how we signed that nonaggression pact a ways back? Well, half of Nebula's gonna call to void that if you keep trying to get with Kannex again.

So, uh, think about it.
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Kannex is blocking any attempt by Syrixia to enter the Alliance.
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thx m8
 
Nightsong:
Nebula:
Hey, Syrixia, you know how we signed that nonaggression pact a ways back? Well, half of Nebula's gonna call to void that if you keep trying to get with Kannex again.

So, uh, think about it.
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And this kids is why we can't have nice things in the world...
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Preach.
Kannex:
Nebula:
Hey, Syrixia, you know how we signed that nonaggression pact a ways back? Well, half of Nebula's gonna call to void that if you keep trying to get with Kannex again.

So, uh, think about it.
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Kannex is blocking any attempt by Syrixia to enter the Alliance.
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Whyyyyyy :blink:
 
Kannex:
Because the word "fiasco" is irrevocably linked with "Syrixia" around these parts...
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Well... it's not entirely Syrixia's fault... Well, no... Nevermind, it is his fault 95% of the time... The other 5% I blame on Nebula being a nation full of people who get high on warmongering...
 
Nightsong:
Kannex:
Because the word "fiasco" is irrevocably linked with "Syrixia" around these parts...
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Well... it's not entirely Syrixia's fault... Well, no... Nevermind, it is his fault 95% of the time... The other 5% I blame on Nebula being a nation full of people who get high on warmongering...
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Yep. Nothing personal.
 
ICly I think Esplandia would try to block Syrixia's entry into the accord due to our own history, whiling giving a face of peace and goodwill. Could be a fun role play if nothing else
 
Reading the responses from Kannex and Esplandia, I feel like I'm one of the few who really doesn't have a problem with Syrixia's warmongering nature (and Nebula's as well). Some of the RP's have been entertaining reads even if they run into the occasional rough spot and start to drag on.
 
Nightsong:
Reading the responses from Kannex and Esplandia, I feel like I'm one of the few who really doesn't have a problem with Syrixia's warmongering nature (and Nebula's as well). Some of the RP's have been entertaining reads even if they run into the occasional rough spot and start to drag on.
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Truuuuu
but realistically Syrixia has such a bad rep
 
Syrixia's a cool guy. I like his RPs, it's just an in character way that I'd respond. While Esplandia has officially forgiven Syrixia and we'd make an effort of at least pretending to work with him, in actuality we'd be trying to stop his inclusion (unless of course we got something substantial out of it). Again this is an IC stance, not an OOC, and to King Sherwin it's simply political and he'd hold no grudge, but his political opponents would use it to force their own agendas.
 
I really do like Syrixia and love seeing his work and energy he puts into things. That being said, being a full member of the alliance on behalf of Esplandia and Kannex would be very difficult without a strong show of long term RP peace. However I do see that possibly Syrixia could be able to join as a member of the SPP since the program is designed for cooperation and hopes toward a particular end goal. (That being cooperative peace.) Thoughts?
 
I have no issue against Syrixia as an S.P.P. member... It's quite lonely over here... Having said that, how would S.P.P. membership affect the non-aggression pact signed between Syrixia and Nebula?

Edit: This quote could prove problematic...
"We seek to preserve the values of democracy and shun coercion, intimidation and the use of force as instruments of diplomacy in a civilized world."
Considering quite a few nations (not mentioning names) seem to prefer war as an instrument of democracy, this could a a roadblock into the S.P.P..
 
Nightsong:
I have no issue against Syrixia as an S.P.P. member... It's quite lonely over here... Having said that, how would S.P.P. membership affect the non-aggression pact signed between Syrixia and Nebula?

Edit: This quote could prove problematic...
"We seek to preserve the values of democracy and shun coercion, intimidation and the use of force as instruments of diplomacy in a civilized world."
Considering quite a few nations (not mentioning names) seem to prefer war as an instrument of democracy, this could a a roadblock into the S.P.P..
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I'm not really sure how that'd play out exactly since the SPP program is an act of bilateral cooperation seeking the end goal of peace and prosperity. We would need Neb to weigh in on that aspect.

"We seek to preserve the values of democracy and shun coercion, intimidation and the use of force as instruments of diplomacy in a civilized world."
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I agree that this might prove a hurdle for some, but it was added in order to bring about the desired ends.
 
I just realized that a portion of the S.P.P. charter could be the basis of an interesting role-play I could do with The Rose League. The quote in question is: "The exchange of information relating to the security and peace of Alliance and Partnership nations". Considering that the League has a very strong and technologically advanced missile defense shield that is traditionally not shared with outside nations, it would be interesting to RP-out how the Forum would react to sharing portions of it with Alliance members.
 
That really does sound like quite an interesting RP idea. Reminded me of the upcoming Xen probe launch incident he was discussing.
 
Ceretis:
That really does sound like quite an interesting RP idea. Reminded me of the upcoming Xen probe launch incident he was discussing.
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Considering the League has the ability to shoot down anything from an artillery shell to an ICBM, I'm sure you can understand why the Forum would be very hesitant to share any of the information and technology behind how it works.
 
Ceretis:
I really do like Syrixia and love seeing his work and energy he puts into things. That being said, being a full member of the alliance on behalf of Esplandia and Kannex would be very difficult without a strong show of long term RP peace. However I do see that possibly Syrixia could be able to join as a member of the SPP since the program is designed for cooperation and hopes toward a particular end goal. (That being cooperative peace.) Thoughts?
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Yeah, S.P.P. membership would work.
 
Throwing around some ideas with regards to the League's missile defense systems and it being shared amongst Trillium members. The vast majority of the Forum is against sharing the technology but there is a small group that believes in strengthening ties with friendly nations / potential allies. If anything, a case could probably be made for the sharing one of the systems: either the Alba, Vespre or Luminar system with the Alliance members.

The Shields of The Rose League are comprised of the Shield of Niamh (Sciath na Niamh) for Kalti, the Shield of Esmeralda (Tarka ta Esmeralda) for Callaici and the Shield of Heilyn (Sgiath de Heilyn) for Andalucia. Each Shield system is made up of three components… There are two mobile all-weather air defense systems - Alba for the interception of artillery shells and short range rockets and Vespre for the interception of short to medium range rockets. The last component is called Luminar which utilizes two missiles - Horizon-3 for the atmospheric interception of ballistic missiles and cruise missiles and Estrella-3 for the exo-atmospheric interception of ballistic missiles and ICBM’s.

Any ideas from you guys on which of three would be most beneficial to your nation? It would help me form an idea of how I'd want this kind of RP to go.
 
We would be most interested in the Alba short range rocket and artillery shell defense as our current defense in this area is not yet operational.
We also would be interested in seeing the other two systems and how they compare with our current defense systems.
 
Just to clarify what each system is based on in real life...
* Alba > Iron Beam ... Laser air defense system (C-RAM ... counter rocket, artillery and mortar) with a max range of 15 miles
* Vespre > Iron Dome ... Short range air defense system and C-RAM (counter rocket, artillery and mortar) with a max range of 50 miles
* Luminar > David's Sling / Arrow 2 / Arrow 3 ... Medium to long range SAM (surface to air missile) and ABM (anti-ballistic missile) with a max range of 200 miles



@Kannex ... Nothing comes to mind at the moment for a science exchange RP. The one I've detailed so far is a military one to fit in with a quote from the Charter.

@Ceretis ... Sounds good. I'll see what I can write up and post it in the next few days. If the above info sways your choice at all, feel free to change your mind and I'll adjust the RP accordingly.
 
Well Ceretis is all shushy and Kalti is on so I'll quote what I said in response to Ceretis asking me to join the SPP:
Syrixia:
What is it and how does it work? Would membership in it get Syrixia closer to joining the alliance? What are the benefits of the SPP?
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@Syrixia... The Trillium Accord is essentially broken into two parts: one is the Trillium Alliance (Alliance) and is currently made up of Ceretis, Kannex and Esplandia and the other is the Stellae Partners for Peace (Partnership) and is currently made up of The Rose League (Kalti, Callaici and Andalucia).

The Alliance's goal is: a "commitment to peace and the use of peaceful means to the resolution of all international disputes. We reject the use of a war as an instrument of diplomacy and view self-sovereignty and self-defense as sacred rights of all nations".

The Partnership's goal is: to "hold ourselves to the common cause of the promotion of fundamental freedoms and human rights, as well as the safeguarding of freedom, justice, and peace. We seek to preserve the values of democracy and shun coercion, intimidation and the use of force as instruments of diplomacy in a civilized world. We affirm our commitment to the principles of human rights and our respect for national sovereignty, political self-determination and the use of peaceful means to resolve disputes".

In essence, both the Alliance and the Partnership work towards the same goal but go about accomplishing it in slightly different ways. The Alliance is comprised of a military aspect which allows the members to use force as a last resort in restoring peace and security. The Partnership on the other hand shuns the military aspect and focuses more on peacekeeping / humanitarian missions (the Alliance covers these as well though at their own choosing and not through an obligation from the charter) while customizing their membership through the use of the Initiatives.

As for the benefits... You are pledging your nation to upholding peace and security through the use off joint military exercises, peacekeeping missions and humanitarian missions. Lastly, if you read the S.P.P.'s Charter, Article 9 covers the topic of moving from the S.P.P. to the Alliance which would go through the process of requiring unanimous consent as dictated by Article 9 of the Alliance's Charter.
 
@Syrixia, any other questions you might have about the S.P.P., feel free to send them my way or to Ceretis. I helped co-write / edit the S.P.P.'s Charter so I'm familiar with what it entails.
 
Do the members of the Alliance hold any sway/authority over the SPP members or are they equal?
 
They are pretty much equal until you are discussing matters of war... the Partnership is opted out of the defense pact of the Alliance (due to the way the Charter is written)... as such they do not get a say in meetings involving war nor are they invited to attend. However, on all other matters they get one vote with normal resolutions only requiring a majority of the Accord (Alliance and Partnership) member-states to be in agreement.

Relevant text quoted below:
The Trillium Accord is governed by the Trillium Council, as established in Article 8 of the Trillium Accord Charter. The Trillium Council consists of delegates from each member-state of the Trillium Alliance and the Stellae Partners for Peace. Each member-state has one vote. A simple majority of those voting is sufficient to pass a regular resolution.

On matters of war, or matters pertaining strictly to Alliance members, only Alliance members will vote. An unopposed vote among Alliance members is required to confirm a state of war. The chairmanship of the Trillium Council is rotated alphabetically among members of the Alliance.
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I want to be in an alliance where the fellow members will defend each other. I will take SPP membership for now but I want to cooperate with you guys on trying to attain full membership over the months.
 
Ceretis:
We would be most interested in the Alba short range rocket and artillery shell defense as our current defense in this area is not yet operational.
We also would be interested in seeing the other two systems and how they compare with our current defense systems.
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Ceretis knows the technical know-how, so I'll leave the science to him.
 
@Nightsong: Thanks for explaining. c:

Yeah, if Syrixia enters the S.P.P., it will have a better chance of entering the Alliance at a future date. The S.P.P. is based off the IRL Partnership for Peace program by NATO.
 
Syrixia:
I want to be in an alliance where the fellow members will defend each other. I will take SPP membership for now but I want to cooperate with you guys on trying to attain full membership over the months.
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Goddess... Making me dig through my PM folder and the Accord Charters to find an answer to this... Anyways, here are the relevant quotes to answer your question.

(Alliance Charter) ARTICLE 3
Any armed attack on a Member-State of this Treaty will be considered an attack on all Parties. We, the Member-States, shall take all steps necessary, the use of force included, to speedily assist the attacked Party or Parties and restore and maintain peace and security in the event of such attack.
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I would also assume that under the guidelines that not participating in the defensive aspect of the alliance, members hold no requirement to assist those that do not participate in the defensive pact, but may as any free nation, choose to do so independently.
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Essentially the mutual defense clause of the Trillium Accord only comes into play per Article 3 of the Alliance Charter for Alliance Members (Ceretis, Kannex and Esplandia). In the event of a Stellae member-state being attacked (The Rose League), the Alliance members may choose to assist in the defense of the Stellae member-state but are not under any obligation to do so.

Kannex:
@Nightsong: Thanks for explaining. c:

Yeah, if Syrixia enters the S.P.P., it will have a better chance of entering the Alliance at a future date. The S.P.P. is based off the IRL Partnership for Peace program by NATO.
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You're welcome for the explanations.
 
I'm currently considering joining but, as a warrior culture that is gearing itself towards peace keeping we can't absolutely refute War as a possible solution. Add to this our WIP Alliance with Trinster and we might be better being an associate rather than a member, plus Syrixia are our in-laws.
 
@Wolfsea ... You would be a good fit for the Alliance but that is entirely up to Ceretis, Kannex and Esplandia liking you and being in unanimous agreement on letting you join.
 
Historically Esplandia has good relationship with Wolfsea and our people have great respect for his people as we both have warrior cultures. I'd be okay with him applying.

Also Esplandia would be okay with Syrixia joining the SPP as well, because his nation has shown signs of reforming.
 
I would be for admission of Wolfsea. We have good relations as far as my people are concerned.
 
Ceretis:
I would be for admission of Wolfsea. We have good relations as far as my people are concerned.
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Agreed.

Also, I'm going to post in the thread later, but I'd like to look at the Pelhafor situation.
 
Kannex:
@Nightsong: Thanks for explaining. c:

Yeah, if Syrixia enters the S.P.P., it will have a better chance of entering the Alliance at a future date. The S.P.P. is based off the IRL Partnership for Peace program by NATO.
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Thanks, Kalti.

Also, DONE AND DONE. I'll join the SPP.
 
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