Map Discussion Thread

The (currently non-approved) claim for the DU seems to be a bit large for simply a headquarters of an international union.
 
I agree. I'm sure Nierr can make a special case for TNP's biggest and openly government-endorsed multi-national organizaton and restore the old, good-sized DU island.

I believe he has said once that it's on his to do list.
 
I chose a large map because we figured we would need the housing for all of the members, the housing for the judicial branch, and legislative assembly. Voting houses, etc. Not to mention the housing, supplying, ports, etc. for all of the helpers/advisers/general people from every region involved. The DU has grown largely in size due to the new constitution and with more members signing up, more land would be continuously required.
 
Ohhh I did not realize it was that large. Righto, if Nierr could possibly...downsize that I would be very grateful.
 
Well, I don't know. I thought, since, according to the map, 1 pixel is 4 km wide, each pixel would be 16 square kilometers. But then the scale underneath it shows a 419 pixel wide bar as being 400 km. It's very confusing.

Could a member of the cartographer's team please clarify for me? I might need to redo my claim if it's not as I thought it was.
 
Egalotir:
Ohhh I did not realize it was that large. Righto, if Nierr could possibly...downsize that I would be very grateful.
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@Lord_Lore- ^This.
 
Why does an international organization need it's own island? Most do fine with a building or two in some host city.
 
We can and likely will add an island for the DU's headquarters. If someone in the DU wants to come up with a claim DU membership is happy with and submit it to the team then I see no reason why we wouldn't add it.
 
Hey, Nierr, I sent you a bunch of messages about my cartography team application. You never replied so I think they're not sending; thus I'll say it here.

I used a claim of Cronaal on a couple islands as my application however it was overruled by New Asgain's claim. Does this mean it is invalid? If so, I will work on another claim soon, probably the DU island. If not, how long until it will be decided upon?

Just curious to the application's validity, as I thought they were merely to see how well one can draw a claim.
 
Syrixia:
Hey, Nierr, I sent you a bunch of messages about my cartography team application. You never replied so I think they're not sending; thus I'll say it here.

I used a claim of Cronaal on a couple islands as my application however it was overruled by New Asgain's claim. Does this mean it is invalid? If so, I will work on another claim soon, probably the DU island. If not, how long until it will be decided upon?

Just curious to the application's validity, as I thought they were merely to see how well one can draw a claim.
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What?
 
Cronaal:
Syrixia:
Hey, Nierr, I sent you a bunch of messages about my cartography team application. You never replied so I think they're not sending; thus I'll say it here.

I used a claim of Cronaal on a couple islands as my application however it was overruled by New Asgain's claim. Does this mean it is invalid? If so, I will work on another claim soon, probably the DU island. If not, how long until it will be decided upon?

Just curious to the application's validity, as I thought they were merely to see how well one can draw a claim.
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What?
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Remember, you tried to claim New Asgain's small island and half of his slightly bigger island but then he claimed it and he got it?
 
Bustos:
Look at the bottom left of the map.

1px=4km
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Yeah, I did look at the bottom of the map. That's where the confusion occurred. Did you not read my actual question?

Nierr:
Each pixel is 4 km, not 16.
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That does not answer my question. I did not say that each pixel is 16 km. I stated that, since each pixel is 4 km, then each pixel must be 16 square km.

Here, let me quote my question again, since neither of you understood it:

Darcania:
Well, I don't know. I thought, since, according to the map, 1 pixel is 4 km wide, each pixel would be 16 square kilometers. But then the scale underneath it shows a 419 pixel wide bar as being 400 km. It's very confusing.

Could a member of the cartographer's team please clarify for me? I might need to redo my claim if it's not as I thought it was.
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I did understand your question. The problem with your question is that you're wrong. A pixel is not 4km wide, it is 4km.
 
Nierr:
I did understand your question. The problem with your question is that you're wrong. A pixel is not 4km wide, it is 4km.
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A kilometer is a unit of length, not area. If you mean that a pixel is 4 square kilometers, and thus 2 kilometers wide, then that would clear up confusion. As well, the linear scale underneath it contradicts that, as it implies that a pixel is 1 kilometer wide, due to the fact that it says that about 400 pixels in length makes 400 kilometers. Also, how can my question be wrong if it's a question? I was asking if I was wrong.
 
Lord Lore:
Madjack stop confusing everyone. The current scale is 1 pixel = 4km2. So each pixel is 2 kms in length
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Thank you for answering.
I'll have to check up on my claim now, since it's 4 times smaller than I thought.
It might be a good idea to change the scale on the map so it's accurate, by putting kilometers squared instead of kilometers, and fixing the scale beneath the "1 pixel = 4 km(2)".
 
And this is exactly why I said a scale would be a bad idea.

And hey look, I was completely fucking right.
 
Nierr:
And this is exactly why I said a scale would be a bad idea.

And hey look, I was completely fucking right.
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Except some people would like to know the actual size of their nation... otherwise you could have two people with the same area on the map give completely different areas in their Factbooks.

The only issue is that the way you put the scale was very confusing, as you put a unit of length as a unit of area, and the bar scale underneath it is completely inaccurate. Just put a little 2 past the "1 pixel = 4 km", and get rid of the bar scale underneath it.
 
A scale is perfectly sensible, so long as it's clear what it is.

Speaking of which, I'm going to have to scrap all my work on my own maps due to having been given the wrong scale.... <_<
 
I find that, despite the island being smaller than I thought, it's still perfectly serviceable. Luckily I over-did the size of the island slightly, just in case I needed more room.
 
I mean, if you need to 'redo' your claim, there is a process in place for expanding claims.
 
Belschaft:
A scale is perfectly sensible, so long as it's clear what it is.

Speaking of which, I'm going to have to scrap all my work on my own maps due to having been given the wrong scale.... <_<
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Ditto.

Well, not exactly - but instead of being 6x7 pixels, I'm going to need mine to be I guess 12x14 pixels.
 
Nierr:
I mean, if you need to 'redo' your claim, there is a process in place for expanding claims.
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The issue for me is that my claim, which was an added peninsula, was scaled based upon the IRL geography I was basing it on (Hong Kong) and due to having been given the wrong scale is thus half the size it should be. I've redone the claim, and sent it to Grim (who it borders) to approve.
 
Due to the fact that everyone thought the scale was set to 1 pixel = 16km2 instead of 1 pixel = 4km2. Would anyone have any objections to an increase of the scale to match what people thought it was? The change would increase the area of the map from 100,000,000 km2 to 400,000,000 km2.
 
That means Sadakoyama goes from being slightly bigger than California to a little smaller than Mexico. I guess that's okay.
 
Quadrupling the scale just makes everything much longer in terms of movement in rp, and makes TNP massive in comparison with the maps of the other Pacifica regions, were we ever to try a joint mapping project, skewing it before it begins, and likely just leading to us reducing the scale in the future.
 
Lord Lore:
Due to the fact that everyone thought the scale was set to 1 pixel = 16km2 instead of 1 pixel = 4km2. Would anyone have any objections to an increase of the scale to match what people thought it was? The change would increase the area of the map from 100,000,000 km2 to 400,000,000 km2.
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I object.
 
Considering the above arguments, I'll have to change my vote.
I object to changing the scale of the map.
 
If we're making the map smaller, I object.

If we're making it bigger, full support.
 
Nierr:
Quadrupling the scale just makes everything much longer in terms of movement in rp, and makes TNP massive in comparison with the maps of the other Pacifica regions, were we ever to try a joint mapping project, skewing it before it begins, and likely just leading to us reducing the scale in the future.
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Lets be honest here. The chance our map will ever be combined with other feeders is about the same as the US Congress approval ratings going over 20%. Shared maps just are not common these days, and even on the EXTREMELY unlikely event that it did, we would not be using the same map, a new joint map would be created.
 
There's already a shared map, published by the Rejected Realms Times.

And I think you're misunderstanding what I mean by a shared a map. I mean a map that combines all the maps of the regions on it, not a brand new map shared between regions.
 
Nierr:
There's already a shared map, published by the Rejected Realms Times.

And I think you're misunderstanding what I mean by a shared a map. I mean a map that combines all the maps of the regions on it, not a brand new map shared between regions.
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If there is such a thing I can guarantee you that no one ackowledges it as valid. Especially since TRR (and Unibot) created it. If a shared and unified map were ever to be created and be valid it would have to be created and agreed upon by the Feeders and not a third party.
 
Yeah, I can guarantee you that any map Unibot tries to foist on us will be soundly rejected. We have no obligation to accept anything of his.

I wouldn't mind if the map stays with a 1px = 4km^2 scale, so long as the actual scale is updated to say so, and mine and bel's claims are adjusted as needed.
 
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