Rhuvanland OOC

Syrixia

Syrixia

The one, the true, the great.
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Ok. Here's the OOC thread for "A New Syrixian Protectorate!" Listen guys, before you get your Jammies in a Whammy, remember that Andulus and Kalti are doing similar RPs right now. I don't see any uproar on those threads.

I want to point out to you guys, especially Myroria, that as the OP, I have a certain way for how I want the story to go. I intended the thread to be a simple announcement and Rhuvanland's conception was so I could experiment with different governments while not messing up Syrixia's. That's what NS is all about, creating nations and toying with politics.

Please, in your next replies, try to recognize that as Rhuvanland is my creative jurisdiction, just as Syrixia is, I have control over its characters, both citizenry and government. Rhuvanland GENUINELY WANTS to be a Syrixian protectorate, and judging by the scale of TNP's map, the separation between Syrixia and Rhuvanland is not much more than a sea, and definitely too small to be an ocean. It's as simple as that, and I did not want this to happen. I'm letting it happen cus I'm not a dictator OP, but I do want some progression in the intended story.

The thread was supposed to be a celebration of friendship and prosperity between two peoples knitting their nations closely together to help each other. Syrixia is not a mercantilist empire, the Empire ended after World War II and most Syrixians want it to never return. And yes, while some may tell me that RP is about other nations reacting to events in certain ways and how I should just deal with this, here's my response.

When a reaction ruins a thread and throws it and its intended story so off course I actually get pissed IRL, those people are doing something wrong. And while I expected this from Nebula since his nation's basically an iron-fisted, militaristic dictatorship, I expect more than incorrect generalizations from people such as Myroria, who I have the utmost respect for.

Please guys. Make a poor, pissed giraffe happy. Let's work the story out and get back on the right track.

That said, this is an OOC thread. Please leave your comments below and I am open to discussion.
 
I can't really complain or say no to what you are doing as I am essentially doing the same thing... albeit in a very different manner. Yes, I am doing a territorial expansion... However, I am doing it in the framework and context of the new land being a vital part of my nation's ancient history. I personally have no problem with territorial expansion's as long as they are done well and the role play scenario attached makes sense and isn't an expansion just for the sake of acquiring more land.
 
I did not intend personal offense when I wrote my reply to your post. Let me offer some criticism, and insight into why I made that post and apparently set off an avalanche:

You said it yourself in your opening paragraph - NS is about toying with politics. When you're doing post-by-post roleplay, you're telling a story. There is no story without conflict. Maybe the Rhuvish people really do want a Syrixian government to rule them, but a couple posts about how you took over another nation and everything went just peachy isn't a story. Telling an effective story involves talking about a conflict between two characters - whether they be two nations, two factions, or even just two people.

Remember when Russia marched troops into the Crimea, said the Crimean people wanted it, and got hit with sanctions from every country in the West? That's what happens when a country annexes another country. In geopolitics, every state has interests, and it will seek to protect those interests any way it can. That is where the conflict from an annexation RP springs from.

Keep in mind my post was a short editorial to a Floregasque newspaper - not the government's exact position, and something a little more rough than a diplomatic message. Syrixia probably isn't an empire. In fact, you're probably more of a democracy than Floresque with its state-controlled media and oligarchial rubber-stamp legislature. Maybe 92% of the Rhuvish people really do want to be a part of Syrixia. But Floresque's interests in Rhuvanland include it being independent, so people in Floresque who follow geopolitics will probably be opposed to a Syrixian takeover, just as the majority of Westerners were opposed to Russia marching into Crimea.

All I'm trying to do is insert a little conflict into your RP. In the end, this is your RP and at no point did I have any intention of actually forcing you not to take that land. That's your vision, and Floresque can be opposed all it wants but in the end you decide where your own RP goes. I just wanted to inject a little spice.

If you really would prefer I stay out of it completely, I will.
 
Thank you for that comment. I actually didn't see it that way, and that said I think we should keep this going. I'm more calm now so I can provide some more thoughts than just ranting.

Now then, here's why I was initially opposed to your post in the thread: the fear that other nations may come along. I am a very fear-bound person, and there is always the "what-if" in my mind when I post, especially after today and the internet safety assembly I had at school, cus ya know, some people just wanna see you go crazy with paranoia.

If one nation with much economic reach such as Floresque, even if it wasn't the government, condemns anything Syrixia does in a post, I go nuts. I can't handle it. My anxiety problems begin to pile and pile and pile up. Then it gets worse. Say another nation jumps on the boat. Three IRL days later, Syrixia is the Northern Cyprus of TNP, with near no supporters and recognizers.

So here's what I'm gonna ask. I'd like it if this stays as a diplomatic battle between Floresque and Syrixia/Rhuvanland and doesn't escalate any more. Before we know it, one side, whether it be Syrixia or Floresque, is going to be outnumbered and pressured so much they don't know what to do. That said, Myroria, let's get back to the story!
 
Syrixia:
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Ha, I got a little chuckle from that one :D

This seems like an interesting topic and a cool roleplay idea, however I ask for no more civil wars or invasions. TNP RP is violent, with rebels there, pirates here; its a dangerous and unpredictable place to live.
 
dmb615:
Syrixia:
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Ha, I got a little chuckle from that one :D

This seems like an interesting topic and a cool roleplay idea, however I ask for no more civil wars or invasions. TNP RP is violent, with rebels there, pirates here; its a dangerous and unpredictable place to live.
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Oh! And parts of hsitory magically no longer happening.
 
This is exactly what I was getting at. Seriously guys. THE RHUVISH PEOPLE WANT TO BE A PROTECTORATE OF SYRIXIA. STOP BASHING ME FOR THE DECISION OF A FREE PEOPLE. I didn't want this to turn into a huge conflict. You guys are ruining the story.

Also, IT IS NOT ANNEXATION. "Protectorate" is defined as a state controlled and protected by another. Rhuvanland can be compared with an autonomous province. It's more of an ultra-autonomous province. Protectorate status does not mean it is being annexed, and if you check my factbook's geography section you will not find anything on Rhuvanland.

GUYS. STOP.

(This statement was mainly directed at Lord Lore.)
 
Here is a list in response.

A.) The only people who have called it an annexation are Nebula, and Plembobria, Floresque and Kalti mention the word but more or less say its an "annexation in all but name."

B.) You do realize these are news articles, they are meant to show the reaction of our government (and in most cases the reaction of the citizens of that nation)

C.) You can hardly expect everyone to be all sunshine and rainbows about this.

D.) Especially when you trot out approval ratings that would make President Putin look honest.

E.) We are hardly ruining the story when we are just showing the reaction of our nation, its not like we are droping bombs on your capital.

F.) No need to take anything personally. Its just IC news articles and you react as if I just gut punched your grandma.
 
Then you just gut punched my grandma, I guess. How about this: Send investigators to Rhuvanland. You won't find anything other than overwhelming support. The only reason the approval ratings are so high is because this is what most of the Rhuvish wanted!
 
I'd just like to clarify something on my nation's position. While the President (Solveig Nightsong) and Vice-President (Anthony Stark) have authorized Sefydliad and Oiche na Ruin to keep up a monitor of the situation, there is no formal condemnation on Syrixian actions. That would require a unanimous vote from the Council of which has not happened. Also, the two of them view it as 'annexation in all but name' however there are still eight other Councilors whose positions need to be accounted for. As I am busy with my own role play scenario, you are only getting a small sliver of my government's response... not a full one.
 
Syrixia, countries, as a rule, react negatively to annexations or the forming of protectorates. It happens all the time, every time.

The annexation of Crimea was approved in a referendum. Nevertheless most countries refuse to respect "the decision of a free people."

International politics are much like childish bickering. The point is, you're playing with a new toy, and now we want it. And we'll whine and cry until we find something else to do.

That's the reality of it. Get used to it.

Edit: The post I made is not the reaction of my government. It is an article in a satirical magazine called The Daily Blag.
 
plembobria:
And we'll whine and cry until we find something else to do.
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Then let's just try to have this subside soon, as Crimea did. Perhaps we could focus on the pira-OH MY GOD I JUST HAD A BRILLIANT IDEA!!!
 
Um... how did the drones see troops on a ship that wasn't in Rhuvanland when the drones only were in, in your words, Rhuvanland?
 
Perhaps I'll edit the post to make it more clear sometime later today. The drones were sent off the coast of Rhuvanland to scout the area.
 
I don't think the drone would be so lucky as to spot the ship off the bat, nor differentiate it from any other boat.
 
The drone was camouflaged and silenced. It could've gotten close enough.
 
To spice things up, can I play the role of a few extreme terrorists who blow up some buildings in Rhuvanland?
 
Bootsie. Clearly you haven't been reading this RP. Rhuvanland is being helped by Syrixia to get back on their feet and they have near total autonomy.
Soldiers are marching onto Rhuvish ports to PROTECT THE COUNTRY FROM A TERRORIST ORDER.
Syrixia is committed to peace and protection and is not attacking anybody. The Eden-Redeemers, the aforementioned terrorist order, are attacking Rhuvish soil.

Please edit your post accordingly before this leads to more pandemonium.
 
If you keep ending all your RPs by walking out, no one is going to want to RP with you.
 
The end of the RP is the consequence I must take for not thinking right. All my RPs usually result in a military conflict and some degree of controversy. I want a different type, something like Return to Ixelonia.

I think it'll appeal to you all more.
 
I am not a fan of people wasting what limited time I have for rping.

This could've been a perfectly acceptable RP and a great opportunity to introduce significant parts of my nation and canon into TNP RP. Now, I have very little and what momentum I was gaining in my writing has been largely squandered.

I am not happy with you, Syrixia.

My thanks to Myroria, Kalti, Nebula, Lord Lore, Cronaal, plembobria, Kannex, Wolfsea and Bootsie who all contributed positively to this roleplay. I would be happen to try and roleplay with any of you in the future.

Syrixia, I strongly urge you to read any of many available guides on RPing that are either on these forums or on the main NS site itself. I'm sure any number of them could help you to improve as an RPer.

As for your protectorate, for the time of mine you have wasted here, I will defer whether your protectorate is granted to the remaining members of the Cartographer team, Bel and Lord Lore. My recommendation to them will be to deny it, for reasons that should be evident to everyone reading this topic. It is, however, just a recommendation and if they choose to ignore it, they are free to.

I will not make the mistake of rping with you again.
 
I don't see how this RP was acceptable but out of guilt I am beginning to agree with you. The RP has been re-opened.
 
Things that I must say to thee.

Syrixia is this is going to continue and have anyone participate you need to agree to three things.

I.) You need to agree simply stop the metagaming, you have a history of your army somehow knowing things that they in no way can know. Arbus is a civilian ship, even if you did have these magical drone (which you dont) you have no cause send them after a civilian freighter in international waters.

B.) The map is still quite large. At the least Rhuvland and Syrixia are roughly 1540 km away from each other. That is several dozen multi-hour flights or at the very least a day travel by ship. You can't have 2,000 troops pop over from one to the other at moments notice.

3.) As you have said Syrixia is just an advisor to Rhuvland is that is true there is no way at a moments notice they can convince the Rhuvland government to completely shut down, prepare its military forces for war and send out nation wide alerts. By doing that you are agreeing with everyone who says annexation because the only way you can do that is by annexing and bypassing the local governments.
 
1. Okay, pretend they're patrolling for security after the Redeemer threat.

2. Ok.

3. Okay, let's have Rhuvanland be they who issue the warning.
 
Your post summarizes why I almost closed the RP. RHUVANLAND IS NOT BEING RULED BY SYRIXIA; SYRIXIA IS ONLY ASSISTING THEM. You speak of a revolt yet Rhuvanland has nothing to revolt against. If Syrixia directly occupied them that'd be a different story but it'd never do that to a free people. Syrixia is simply offering them guidance and help out of what was a near-nation-shattering economic crisis.

Syrixian businesses do not monopolize Rhuvanland, and there are much fewer Syrixian tourists as you say they are. The real and only threat are the Eden-Redeemers, talk about them. You are making the same mistake Bootsie did; which is assuming when I say protectorate I mean the typical definition.

I am not referring to that typical definition. Look and read around and you'll find it very different.

Please, stop godmodding my creative property into something it's not. Edit your post.
 
Syrixia:
Your post summarizes why I almost closed the RP. RHUVANLAND IS NOT BEING RULED BY SYRIXIA; SYRIXIA IS ONLY ASSISTING THEM. You speak of a revolt yet Rhuvanland has nothing to revolt against. If Syrixia directly occupied them that'd be a different story but it'd never do that to a free people. Syrixia is simply offering them guidance and help out of what was a near-nation-shattering economic crisis.

Syrixian businesses do not monopolize Rhuvanland, and there are much fewer Syrixian tourists as you say they are. The real and only threat are the Eden-Redeemers, talk about them. You are making the same mistake Bootsie did; which is assuming when I say protectorate I mean the typical definition.

I am not referring to that typical definition. Look and read around and you'll find it very different.

Please, stop godmodding my creative property into something it's not. Edit your post.
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The primary thing the Rhuvish rebels are revolting against is the pro-Syrixian government. If I were the Rhuvish dissident, I would say: that government does not represent me. I, like most other Rhuvishmen (in my mind) do not support Syrixian control or "guidance" of any sort. Syrixian "guidance" is just a ploy to extend political and economic control over my land. Syrixian corporations already control most of the Rhuvish economy behind the scenes, or want to. In fact, maybe the recent economic crisis is a conspiracy caused by the Syrixians, so they have an excuse to annex us. The Syrixian tourists and businesses -- however many they are -- represent an unacceptable foreign influence and must be purged.

I'm digging through the mind of a modern-day Boxer Rebel.
 
This is why this OOC thread exists, to say that's ALL WRONG. Most Rhuvish people either support getting their nation on its feet with Syrixian guidance or don't care. Those that are in the opposition number very few and are around 5/6 made of extremists.

Perhaps your terrorists and the other extremists can tie into some sort of Eden-Redeemer attack. Otherwise it would add more, unneeded complexity to an RP that I don't want and didn't intend to be complex, and also now want to get over with quickly what with real life constraints, my anxiety problems, and my wanting to come up with a new story, that I really want to unveil later.

I think a final showdown between the Rhuvish & Syrixians against the Redeemers is what we need. There's nothing like a climactic skirmish to head all the controversy and end the story. For now at least; the main reason Rhuvanland exists is so I can toy with politics more; and have two nations I own talking and stuff.
 
Syrixia:
This is why this OOC thread exists, to say that's ALL WRONG. Most Rhuvish people either support getting their nation on its feet with Syrixian guidance or don't care. Those that are in the opposition number very few and are around 5/6 made of extremists.

Perhaps your terrorists and the other extremists can tie into some sort of Eden-Redeemer attack. Otherwise it would add more, unneeded complexity to an RP that I don't want and didn't intend to be complex, and also now want to get over with quickly what with real life constraints, my anxiety problems, and my wanting to come up with a new story, that I really want to unveil later.

I think a final showdown between the Rhuvish & Syrixians against the Redeemers is what we need. There's nothing like a climactic skirmish to head all the controversy and end the story. For now at least; the main reason Rhuvanland exists is so I can toy with politics more; and have two nations I own talking and stuff.
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I did not make a mistake, Syrixia, Hall did. That's the whole point of that section. Hall, if you didn't realize, is not the nicest person to be around, and even made Leah, one of the nicest RP figures grow cold. He's a former five-star General and predecessor to Akerman, so yes, he'll definitely be pro-war. However, I believe a skirmish would support Hall's theory of Syrixian regional conquest and tempt him into an official condemnation. Plus, Guslant politicians haven't always been the nicest people. Did you see what Beier did to the Treasury?
 
Nierr:
I am not a fan of people wasting what limited time I have for rping.

This could've been a perfectly acceptable RP and a great opportunity to introduce significant parts of my nation and canon into TNP RP. Now, I have very little and what momentum I was gaining in my writing has been largely squandered.

I am not happy with you, Syrixia.

My thanks to Myroria, Kalti, Nebula, Lord Lore, Cronaal, plembobria, Kannex, Wolfsea and Bootsie who all contributed positively to this roleplay. I would be happen to try and roleplay with any of you in the future.

Syrixia, I strongly urge you to read any of many available guides on RPing that are either on these forums or on the main NS site itself. I'm sure any number of them could help you to improve as an RPer.

As for your protectorate, for the time of mine you have wasted here, I will defer whether your protectorate is granted to the remaining members of the Cartographer team, Bel and Lord Lore. My recommendation to them will be to deny it, for reasons that should be evident to everyone reading this topic. It is, however, just a recommendation and if they choose to ignore it, they are free to.

I will not make the mistake of rping with you again.
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I just want to make a note of something... you will notice I role play with a degree of known's and unknown's regarding other nations. It helps add a sense of realism and helps keep me in check from godmodding or metagaming the scenario. Yes, my nation's intelligence is aware of the Redeemers that were introduced by Nierr... however there is the blank on how much of a presence they have and what their actual motives are (yes... I myself know about that stuff from reading Nierr's posts but I don't RP that stuff in with my characters). So yes, I can RP my nation's leaders authorizing the use of our military but I will also RP that any further intelligence comes from drones or surveillance satellites that my nation's intelligence moves into the area at that point in the scenario.
 
Syrixia, how the fuck do you have that document? At no point have I written the words 'Nierrese government handed top secret info to the Syrixians' or anything even remotely approaching that. That was a background piece intended to give more information about the Redeemers and would never, ever be given to another power - especially as it says that the Nierrese government is attempting to control them and use them for its own means.

That is serious metagaming.

I'm going to take today to consider whether I'd want to post further in this topic if these kinds of actions are going to continue.
 
Ah, so it was a background piece. I thought it was sent to us. Ok, I edited my post.

And concerning Hall, Bootsie, I agree. Let's try and move towards peace then.
 
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