Map Conversation Thread

Syrixia

Syrixia

The one, the true, the great.
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Syrixia
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The map claims thread has been littered with unnecessary conversation over the past week or two. As it's simply a map CLAIMS thread and not a map CONVERSATION thread, I, Syrixia, have taken the liberty of starting this thread so this annoyance can end. Please, leave all your map-related conversations, such as the purposes of various claims or debates about the file, etc, to be discussed HERE, AND NOT ON THE CLAIMS THREAD.​


Happy Conversing,
Syrixia​
 
Nessuno:
A RP about Qualcuno? There isn't much to say.
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I'd recommend writing a news article.

An effective article covers who's involved, what is happening, and why it matters. If you want to also portray a sense of democracy, I always make a point to add conflicting views with legitimate concerns about the project, since that shows that there is more than one opinion across your nation.
 
Agreed with Scandigrad. It's kind of like the issues thing; an intro! then a bunch of arguments from various luminaries and officials, then a closing statement and possibly a request for international help if there is a bad situation.
 
What program(s) do you guys typically use to update the map? And is there any serious possibility of a map change?
 
Alta Italia:
What program(s) do you guys typically use to update the map? And is there any serious possibility of a map change?
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There has to be a serious possibility of either a redraw or a map change in the near future. There is NO WAY that the current official ones coming out will last. I give it maybe 3 months of editing before its just a blob of blur.
 
Agreed, we need to figure this out. Every image uploader I try always converts it to a jpg.

Anyone got any ideas?
 
Syrixia:
Agreed, we need to figure this out. Every image uploader I try always converts it to a jpg.

Anyone got any ideas?
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I already mentioned Puush. They are a very good upload site. All you have to do is download their program its all very easy.
 
Alta Italia:
What program(s) do you guys typically use to update the map? And is there any serious possibility of a map change?
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I used Gimp to create and update the map when I was cartographer, obviously those who came after me have used inferior programs or just saved stuff as jpg for reasons I'm not sure why. Lunacy, probably.

As for a map change, I doubt it, however if it continues to degrade then something obviously needs to be done. I actually have all the base files for the map on my other (broken) laptop, it's just a case of getting it fixed which I might be able to afford in the new year.
 
Nessuno:
A RP about Qualcuno? There isn't much to say.
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Just do an announcement saying that all foreign and non-official domestic ships that don't have approved business with the island are banned from entering an area x number of miles around it.

The rp comes from reactions of other states.
 
I'm a bit perplexed by some of the claims that were approved. All the random islands and the little enclaves... I think we need to put Nierr back on the map updating team.
 
It used to be, and I used to put a lot of thought into new islands and enclaves being made. I like some of the ones that have been added, New Haven America's canal and port in the west, for example, but a lot of them don't make sense in the slightest, nor do they match the graphical style of the map.

Which is probably partially my own fault, as I lost access to the base files when my laptop broke.
 
To be frank, the entire map looks like absolute crap right now. It is jpeged compressed to hell and back, claims that were approved shouldn't have been and it can be organized in much better ways. I would second the motion for getting Nierr back on this and damage control needs to be done. I talked with some map makers at other regions, and having seen our map, they broke down in laughter. A region like ours should hold our map to higher standards.
 
I mean, we do have this, and as much as I'm hesitant to suggest it before Alunya has had a chance to weigh in on the discussion, we could do a hard reset back to that, as I've got an xcf file of that as well.
 
Scandigrad:
Nessuno:
A RP about Qualcuno? There isn't much to say.
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I'd recommend writing a news article.

An effective article covers who's involved, what is happening, and why it matters. If you want to also portray a sense of democracy, I always make a point to add conflicting views with legitimate concerns about the project, since that shows that there is more than one opinion across your nation.
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Syrixia:
Agreed with Scandigrad. It's kind of like the issues thing; an intro! then a bunch of arguments from various luminaries and officials, then a closing statement and possibly a request for international help if there is a bad situation.
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Nierr:
Nessuno:
A RP about Qualcuno? There isn't much to say.
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Just do an announcement saying that all foreign and non-official domestic ships that don't have approved business with the island are banned from entering an area x number of miles around it.

The rp comes from reactions of other states.
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I try to do something.
 
Nierr:
I mean, we do have this, and as much as I'm hesitant to suggest it before Alunya has had a chance to weigh in on the discussion, we could do a hard reset back to that, as I've got an xcf file of that as well.
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I wouldn't be opposed to doing that.

Egalotir:
To be frank, the entire map looks like absolute crap right now. It is jpeged compressed to hell and back, claims that were approved shouldn't have been and it can be organized in much better ways. I would second the motion for getting Nierr back on this and damage control needs to be done. I talked with some map makers at other regions, and having seen our map, they broke down in laughter. A region like ours should hold our map to higher standards.
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Yeah, I honestly agree. I think we need to rethink our approach to map approvals and try and keep it more consistent. It looked fantastic when we were first starting out.. but it has kind of gone downhill recently.

Nierr:
It used to be, and I used to put a lot of thought into new islands and enclaves being made. I like some of the ones that have been added, New Haven America's canal and port in the west, for example, but a lot of them don't make sense in the slightest, nor do they match the graphical style of the map.

Which is probably partially my own fault, as I lost access to the base files when my laptop broke.
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Yeah - I am not saying that they are *all* bad. But I really don't like some of them.

The Spokesman of Eumenor:
I concur, I thought it was based on geology?
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I don't know much about Geology, and won't pretend to. I think it is going to be hard to continuously find map updaters who are experts in that area. Ideally though - it would be reasonably based on geology.
 
mcmasterdonia:
The Spokesman of Eumenor:
I concur, I thought it was based on geology?
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I don't know much about Geology, and won't pretend to. I think it is going to be hard to continuously find map updaters who are experts in that area. Ideally though - it would be reasonably based on geology.
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Yay, plate tectonics!
I think that the map would look a lot more professional if we used a professional package, such as Campaign Cartographer 3 or Autorealm, as opposed to paint or whatever.
Thoughts?
 
The Spokesman of Eumenor:
mcmasterdonia:
The Spokesman of Eumenor:
I concur, I thought it was based on geology?
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I don't know much about Geology, and won't pretend to. I think it is going to be hard to continuously find map updaters who are experts in that area. Ideally though - it would be reasonably based on geology.
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Yay, plate tectonics!
I think that the map would look a lot more professional if we used a professional package, such as Campaign Cartographer 3 or Autorealm, as opposed to paint or whatever.
Thoughts?
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I think we should start a new map and utilize programs and only allow people who are somewhat knowledgeable in what needs to be considered, i.e. not Syrixia
 
We also need to remember that we will not always have the same person editing the map, so it needs to be able to carry over to the next person in charge of it. Otherwise we need new maps every time and that is just a bit frustrating.

Let's also not forget that Syrixia is a volunteer (as is Alunya) and I believe they're doing the best they can, but I think after having Nierr in the role it is difficult for them to fill his shoes.
 
mcmasterdonia:
We also need to remember that we will not always have the same person editing the map, so it needs to be able to carry over to the next person in charge of it. Otherwise we need new maps every time and that is just a bit frustrating.

Let's also not forget that Syrixia is a volunteer (as is Alunya) and I believe they're doing the best they can, but I think after having Nierr in the role it is difficult for them to fill his shoes.
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[NEIRR, I HATE YOU <3]
 
It's not that bad, to be quite honest. If anything, anyone could fix the map using either the physical map png or the last png update, which iirc, was in the summer, and editing from there, either taking out the old claims pixel by pixel or pasting in the clear sections of the physical map.

It's not ideal, but the map isn't beyond saving.

Edit: I'd also rearrange the placement of some of the islands as well, just to make things seem more of a region/continent rather than several continents. I've got something like this in mind, but I'm open to suggestions and to whether those islands in the top right could be moved or improved.
 
Lord Lore, I'll try using Puush. And please do try and work on the file. But after that I think Nierr should take charge here.

Olvern, I always save them as png. The uploader makes it a jpg.

Nierr, I support your retaking of the cartographeracy as long as:

1: You keep everyone's islands, but replace them to fit the geology and disallow any more. That includes the islands I put, along with my archipelago. Respect the territorial integrity!

2: Be more active and work on the map a lot. If possible, make the text for Alta Italia's two islands bigger, as well as most other islands if they can't be easily seen, so they can be seen. But I'm getting off topic. What I need is for you to be active, like, every day to every couple of days active, as claims come in a LOT nowadays. Take it from me. If possible you can even apply as a Resident; you'll need it.

3: Make sure your work gets seen. I've seen the way you present your map updates; you need to make the map update posts more flashy to make sure people see; kind of like how mine and Alunya's map update posts have. Also, I recommend making a new post in the TNP Map Nexus. That's the go-to place for the current political map!

4: I really liked that recoloring you did in your Christmas present. Could you do that for all the nations when working on the map?

And please god please, keep Qualcuno :0 Something tells me it's important.



Anyway, those are my requests, Nierr. If you can fulfill those or fulfill most of those, which I'm sure you can, I will wholeheartedly support your re-ascent to the cartographeracy.

(I still wanna be yer assistant doe :P)
 
You people who use GIMP make me sad for the state of the world. :tb3:

To add to the discussion, I'm seriously surprised by the number of requests for land changes which are granted without, from what I can tell, any RP justification. Requesting starting space is one thing, even requesting an original island, which might be necessary for nations who need to be islands. But asking for more land without RPing war, territory seizure, discovery of new islands, geographic events...

I mean, I recognize that my own map request is quite unusual and definitely unrealistic - and there's a solid RP reason behind it and it shapes literally everything else about my nation. I'm also the one putting in the work to come up with the design for it, as well as appropriately scaling it to the existing map.

And I definitely agree with the complaints about map quality. I recognize that Syrixia is a volunteer and has been working hard, but he's literally the only person here who is complaining of .png files being changed to .jpgs. I've been doing image and graphical work for years and I've never heard of such a thing happening.
 
Off the current discussion.

I should probably review the entire of Eknorvia's geography and how the nations inside the sub-region work, I obviously can't change Cronaal much.
 
SillyString:
You people who use GIMP make me sad for the state of the world. :tb3:

To add to the discussion, I'm seriously surprised by the number of requests for land changes which are granted without, from what I can tell, any RP justification. Requesting starting space is one thing, even requesting an original island, which might be necessary for nations who need to be islands. But asking for more land without RPing war, territory seizure, discovery of new islands, geographic events...

I mean, I recognize that my own map request is quite unusual and definitely unrealistic - and there's a solid RP reason behind it and it shapes literally everything else about my nation. I'm also the one putting in the work to come up with the design for it, as well as appropriately scaling it to the existing map.

And I definitely agree with the complaints about map quality. I recognize that Syrixia is a volunteer and has been working hard, but he's literally the only person here who is complaining of .png files being changed to .jpgs. I've been doing image and graphical work for years and I've never heard of such a thing happening.
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So, you're saying that I'm lying. Because I'm not. I save them as pngs. It becomes jpg no matter what uploading site I use. Maybe it's cus I'm on iOS? But still that doesn't explain how Alunya had the same issue.

And also, if this helps this investigation, I use Paintbrush.
 
Syrixia:
SillyString:
You people who use GIMP make me sad for the state of the world. :tb3:

To add to the discussion, I'm seriously surprised by the number of requests for land changes which are granted without, from what I can tell, any RP justification. Requesting starting space is one thing, even requesting an original island, which might be necessary for nations who need to be islands. But asking for more land without RPing war, territory seizure, discovery of new islands, geographic events...

I mean, I recognize that my own map request is quite unusual and definitely unrealistic - and there's a solid RP reason behind it and it shapes literally everything else about my nation. I'm also the one putting in the work to come up with the design for it, as well as appropriately scaling it to the existing map.

And I definitely agree with the complaints about map quality. I recognize that Syrixia is a volunteer and has been working hard, but he's literally the only person here who is complaining of .png files being changed to .jpgs. I've been doing image and graphical work for years and I've never heard of such a thing happening.
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So, you're saying that I'm lying. Because I'm not. I save them as pngs. It becomes jpg no matter what uploading site I use. Maybe it's cus I'm on iOS? But still that doesn't explain how Alunya had the same issue.

And also, if this helps this investigation, I use Paintbrush.
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Macintosh PCs and Laptops use OS X....
 
Oh I don't know :P I never was good with terms :D

But seriously, the uploader sites I've used do change it from png to jpg. I haven't tried Puush yet so let's see what that can do, eh?
 
Imageshack did used to that, but that was due to a default checkbox being checked saying 'convert to jpg'.

I'll get to individual posts in a second.
 
Syrixia:
SillyString:
You people who use GIMP make me sad for the state of the world. :tb3:

To add to the discussion, I'm seriously surprised by the number of requests for land changes which are granted without, from what I can tell, any RP justification. Requesting starting space is one thing, even requesting an original island, which might be necessary for nations who need to be islands. But asking for more land without RPing war, territory seizure, discovery of new islands, geographic events...

I mean, I recognize that my own map request is quite unusual and definitely unrealistic - and there's a solid RP reason behind it and it shapes literally everything else about my nation. I'm also the one putting in the work to come up with the design for it, as well as appropriately scaling it to the existing map.

And I definitely agree with the complaints about map quality. I recognize that Syrixia is a volunteer and has been working hard, but he's literally the only person here who is complaining of .png files being changed to .jpgs. I've been doing image and graphical work for years and I've never heard of such a thing happening.
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So, you're saying that I'm lying. Because I'm not. I save them as pngs. It becomes jpg no matter what uploading site I use. Maybe it's cus I'm on iOS? But still that doesn't explain how Alunya had the same issue.

And also, if this helps this investigation, I use Paintbrush.
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You're the only one using the term lying. My guess was that the files aren't being saved as .PNG files at all by mistake.

I've also never seen Alunya state any issues with file type. It's my impression that the switch was done spontaneously - not purposefully, but not accidentally. But I haven't read the whole map thread so if there's a quote of Alunya saying that I'm all ears.
 
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