Random Ideas

Well, it's not so much an idea as a question.

Clearly if people get lots of $, there's going to need to be something to spend it on, outside of commissioning talented people to do certain things.

I suppose we could use our cash to play at some kind of casino (you can "bet" a certain amount of money which would equate to a certain number of your posts), but that would essentially result in using money to get more money.

Simply put, what are the region's economic goods gong to be?
 
That's one of the major things we're here to figure out.

Some ideas -

Exchange between other players for goods and services (coding, avatars, poetry, clean puppets, clean e-mail addresses, intelligence, etc.)

Pay-to-play gaming.

Charge admission to flamewars. :eyebrow:

Not to mention, taxation. While I am not a big fan of poll taxes, this will address some of the activity clause thoughts that were put forth - you have to maintain a certain level of activity in order to pay your taxes and keep participating. Although that could go sour in a hurry, too.

What else have we got?
 
The poll taxes thing might result in people spamming OOC with one-word posts in order to have enough money :P .


Hm. I've been racking my brains and I can't come up with any ideas on spending the money. The best thing may be the pay-to-play games idea.
 
Oooh! Actually I have an idea, but it may sound crazy.

I was just tihnking of what people IRL do to augment their cash flow.

We could create a TNP stock market -- it would act as a financial thing and an investment simulation at the same time. Someone could either create fictional companies and use some random method to generate news on the company (either good or bad) and a similar random method to generate whether the stock goes up or down as a result of that news.

Or people could invest their "TNP dollars" in real-life companies listed on whichever national stock exchange they have. They would submit their orders to buy based on the real life price of the company and someone in charge could maintain a list of everyone's stock picks. We could give monthly prizes to those who make the most money, percentage-wise. Not to mention this could be a way to generate revenue for the government (all brokers take a certain amount of money to execute the trade).
 
Betting on elections?
Buy one invasion get another invasion free? :rofl:

Stock market based on OOC spamming:

Each amount of posts you invest into that poster goes into their total post count. At the end of the week you see how many posts they have gone up and you get money in return for however much their count went up depending on how much you invested in them.
 
One other way the government could get money is a tariff or duties on transactions, say 1 dollar in ten.

Then the government would have a budget to work with and spend. Of course,mrmbrtd of the NPA, appointed diplomats, and the members of the TNP Bar Association would have to be paid for their services. :)
 
Fedele:
Stock market based on OOC spamming:

Each amount of posts you invest into that poster goes into their total post count. At the end of the week you see how many posts they have gone up and you get money in return for however much their count went up depending on how much you invested in them.
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Then everyone would invest in IG or someone akin to that.
 
Yes, but even her posts don't necessarily go up by the most at a time...

Even still, too unbalanced.
 
Idea on the Stock Market - they're based off of certain forum statistics.

From the Admin CP, I can pull up graphs showing the number of new members each day, the number of new topics created, the number of posts, the number of PM's sent, and the number of topic views. The stock market can be based off of these - they buy a share of stock in a certain statistic, and the value of that stock increases and decreases with the numbers in that statistic.

Edit: For example...
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Someone could buy a share of stock on January 21, when things were really low, and then sell it today, at six times it's original value.

So the more active the forum is, the more money everything is worth.
 
Hersfold:
Idea on the Stock Market - they're based off of certain forum statistics.

From the Admin CP, I can pull up graphs showing the number of new members each day, the number of new topics created, the number of posts, the number of PM's sent, and the number of topic views. The stock market can be based off of these - they buy a share of stock in a certain statistic, and the value of that stock increases and decreases with the numbers in that statistic.

Edit: For example...
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Someone could buy a share of stock on January 21, when things were really low, and then sell it today, at six times it's original value.

So the more active the forum is, the more money everything is worth.
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That's a really good idea.
 
I don't know how the real stock market works, but it seems like it would be too easy to fiddle something based around one person, like post-count. I'm probably not adding anything to this discussion. I like Hers's idea about having a general forum activity thingy because it's more general.
 
That's a good idea, but we'd need some kind of common standard to define the worth of the stock you are buying. One type of stock, for a price which can be altered by someone having a spam fest, would be pretty boring.
 
I'll have to ask Groot Gouda in the IDU exactly what he did, but there's a "Cheeses Exported" thingy where we are showing money, and it is not based on post count. T think he is using "thread views" or some such, where one gets more cheeses exported based upon the number of views a poster has posted in (and not necessarily the number of times they have posted in a particular thread.

If that is correct, that might offer all sorts of other possibilities.
 
Very true. You'd also have to define the buyer and seller value of the imaginary products, ensure supply and demand and umm... a whole lot of other stuff.
 
Virtual Boy:
How is the current money system working?
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It's working perfectly for most people. For some reason that I cannot understand, the script is not adding money to Grosseschnauzer's account like it should be. Earlier today, it read only $10 until I went in and manually added the 11,000-something he was owed. It's already short a few bucks.

As far as I can tell, though, he's the only one having problems. Problems which I hope I can fix. Edit: No luck yet. The code looks like it should work... I've posted in the topic for the code on IF Support - hopefully a reply will come soon.

@ Ator: Probably not yet... I'd like to make sure Schnauzer is working first, if at all possible.
 
I'm surprised no one has mentioned nations in the region taking on the mercenary trade.

$10,000, move a clean UN to this region, endorse X, and don't ask any questions.
 
Can we be absolutely sure that both admins are honest and above reproach? I mean, we know Hersfold is honest, but what about that other one? Maybe he is open to bribery or sexual favours?
 
Byardkuria:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned nations in the region taking on the mercenary trade.

$10,000, move a clean UN to this region, endorse X, and don't ask any questions.
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Good idea! But they'd have to be TNP residents in the first place, or they wouldn't care about the money.
 
Sorry, Schnauzer... I've tried posting in the code topic... no reply, the thread is getting buried... I've tried a support ticket... they said they're nothing they can do... I've tried re-working it just for you... it just comes up with your cash amount being $NaN... I'm going to contact the author directly and hope that I get a repsonse.

It's entirely possible that Deikura is correct - I hope not, because I think those problems had to do with your firewall, didn't they?

I'm doing all I can for you. :console:

[size=-1]Double post removed, BTW[/size]
 
The computer that had that firewall -- the hard drive crashed -- so I'm currently using a different computer which has different software (except for Firefox) so I doubt that would be the problem.
 
YAY!

The code author came back and told me to remove the number formatting for the posts. I have no idea why it was affecting you and nobody else, but it would appear that it is indeed working now. :D
 
As I told Byard, you can make transactions if you really want to... but since we've still got several issues to sort out, I wouldn't expect them to be permanent.

If you'd like to pay somebody some cash, both people involved should send me and/or Flem a PM describing the exchange. I say both people so that I don't take a thousand bucks away from someone who didn't want to give it.
 
Is there some sort of plan to prevent rampant inflation a little while down the road? Also, what sorts of onsite-NS things could factor into this (like nations with with uranium mining or basket-weaving as economic strengths banding together to sustain themselves or grow faster)?
 
That's kind of one of the things we are here to figure out - I think most of us agree we can have fun with this, but how can we use it to enhance the game?
 
Byardkuria:
That's kind of one of the things we are here to figure out - I think most of us agree we can have fun with this, but how can we use it to enhance the game?
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I think we should start, and then fix little things along the way. Once it starts, I'm sure it will change and adapt as people see fit.
 
^ I see.

I just went through and read some of the other threads, and had two quick ideas that might be intertwined

First, instead of just basing someone's money on number of posts, you could have someone go through and give posts ratings of their content, causing them to be worth more.

My second idea was to try to create something like a reputation-based economy (dunno if anyone else's read Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom, but anywho), instead of having a set person rate posts, let everyone have a say, by putting in 'thumbs up/thumbs down' buttons on individual posts. If we put in a maximum amount of reputation from any given person given to any one other person, this might also prevent inflation from spiralling out of control.

Would something like this even be technically possible?
 
I like the idea of awarding content.


Unfortunately it could be used by people to bash impressive content that they personally disagree with.
 
@ Unter: Unfortunately, no. i can't think of any way we could possibly automate that at all. Such a system would be possible, but it would probably involve copying posts into another forum for later review.

So anyway, is this ready to kick off?
 
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