The North Pacifican Socialist Party (TNPSP) Thread

Nubt II:
-New Zealand
-Canada
-Most Scandinavian Nations
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These places aren't "socialist," and only seem "socialist" from an American perspective. And the American political compass' centre has been drifting rightward since the 80s so yeah. No.

Nubt II:
P.S. Even if you don't agree with our beliefs, if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all.
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Sorry, not how it works. TNP is a democracy. You don't get to shut down debate.

Nubt II:
9. Make joining the NPA a requirement before running for Delegate or Speaker.
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No, sorry. I'd like to thank @Comfed for the shoutout on this. I think I did pretty well as Delegate. The NPA ran pretty smoothly under me, and we accomplished a number of our goals. And I never served in the NPA prior to being elected Delegate. I never served because, try as I might, I could never get into the military side of NS. That's not to say I think it's bad or wrong, it's just an aspect of the game that's not for me. And I see no reason why you want to limit some of the region's highest offices to only one type of NS player.
 
if socialism doesn't work in real life why would it work here? also isn't socialism supposed to be about what the people want, yet you're shutting down criticism and proposing some pretty harsh and restrictive ideas
 
Prydania:
These places aren't "socialist," and only seem "socialist" from an American perspective. And the American political compass' centre has been drifting rightward since the 80s so yeah. No.


Sorry, not how it works. TNP is a democracy. You don't get to shut down debate.


No, sorry. I'd like to thank @Comfed for the shoutout on this. I think I did pretty well as Delegate. The NPA ran pretty smoothly under me, and we accomplished a number of our goals. And I never served in the NPA prior to being elected Delegate. I never served because, try as I might, I could never get into the military side of NS. That's not to say I think it's bad or wrong, it's just an aspect of the game that's not for me. And I see no reason why you want to limit some of the region's highest offices to only one type of NS player.
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1. They are socialist. Even if it's partly, but most of their programs, ideas, ruling parties, and laws lean that way. Even if they don't publicly declare it.
2. I mean that spam or simply posting insults is not allowed. Political Debate, as you and @Comfed are offering IS allowed.
3. Actually, sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but the NPA isn't as strong as we think. It's failures are countless, it's members few, and it's operations minimal. Restricting these offices to NPA membership would benefit in the following:
- Encourage new members to the NPA.
- Take down "spam" or "running-simply-for-the-joy-of-it" campaigns.
- Increase ideas for new operations, and provides new breath in the NPA.
That is why me, and my party, believe that the NPA requires a huge renovation, to maintain, and earn, a valuable, feared, and powerful spot on the world stage.
 
Monkemafiatopia:
if socialism doesn't work in real life why would it work here? also isn't socialism supposed to be about what the people want, yet you're shutting down criticism and proposing some pretty harsh and restrictive ideas
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Socialism works. Always did, and always will. I think you've been watching too much western capitalist propaganda. And these "harsh and restrictive" ideas, are what could turn TNP into a TRUE world power. Not the weak, fragile, power we are today.
 
I believe service in the NPA is a fine thing. More folks should give it a shot. If I were not on the SC, I would return to the NPA. Yet for military activity to be a prerequisite for the delegacy would exclude those who are not interested in that aspect of the game. It narrows the pool of available candidates for office. This is really contrary to our longstanding belief that the doors are wide open to make it big in TNP. I'm all in favor of "running for the joy of it." Some people love campaigning, love elections, and have a lot of fun with it. It's entertaining. Who are we to tell them they can't play that way?

A final note on the NPA service requirement: Game mechanics will inhibit a speedy delegacy transition if you are starting from 0. Do you know how hard it is to get to 800 or 900 endorsements?
 
Nubt II:
They are socialist. Even if it's partly, but most of their programs, ideas, ruling parties, and laws lean that way. Even if they don't publicly declare it.
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Scandinavian PMs have asked that American politicians from both sides stop referring to their systems as "socialist."

I'm Canadian. Canada is not socialist. It lacks a centrally directed economy and workers most certainly do not own or manage the means of production. And we don't have ruling parties in Canada because it's not a dictatorship.
In case you haven't noticed, there's an election going on presently. And the Conservative Party is leading the polls.

Granted I've never been to NZ but it seems like Canada but with Hobbits and kiwis.

Nubt II:
Actually, sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but the NPA isn't as strong as we think. It's failures are countless, it's members few, and it's operations minimal. Restricting these offices to NPA membership would benefit in the following:
- Encourage new members to the NPA.
- Take down "spam" or "running-simply-for-the-joy-of-it" campaigns.
- Increase ideas for new operations, and provides new breath in the NPA.
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Dude, I'm a former Delegate. I have a far better understanding of the NPA's inner workings, strengths, weaknesses, and operational capabilities than you do.

But let's break down your points.
Encourage new membership in the NPA? NPA recruitment is fine. Military gameplay is something a lot of NSers like and there's never been a problem getting them on board. All your plan would do is to force people who don't like military gameplay to partake in it. I'm not sure how that helps the person- who will dislike the experience- or the NPA- having someone there who doesn't really want to be there.

Take down "spam" or "running for the joy of it" campaigns? Why? This is a democracy. These campaigns are the spice of life. And who are you to decide what is and isn't a serious campaign anyway?

Increase new ideas for operations? Again, I'm a former Delegate. I worked with my MoD on a near daily basis. Discussing what we wanted the NPA's aims to be, what we could accomplish, etc. A lot of times this involved my MoD suggesting new ideas and me asking what they entailed before signing off or denying them. Or me coming up with ideas and my MoD letting me know how feasible they were.
So from my own personal experience I can say that NPA experience is not needed for the Delegate and NPA to collaborate on new ideas and concepts.

I'd like to believe that I- and a whole lot of other former Delegates of this great region- have proven we can be effective despite lacking NPA experience. And I don't take kindly to your suggestion that our way forward should mean excluding people who don't care for military gameplay from high office.
 
Prydania:
Scandinavian PMs have asked that American politicians from both sides stop referring to their systems as "socialist."

I'm Canadian. Canada is not socialist. It lacks a centrally directed economy and workers most certainly do not own or manage the means of production. And we don't have ruling parties in Canada because it's not a dictatorship.
In case you haven't noticed, there's an election going on presently. And the Conservative Party is leading the polls.

Granted I've never been to NZ but it seems like Canada but with Hobbits and kiwis.


Dude, I'm a former Delegate. I have a far better understanding of the NPA's inner workings, strengths, weaknesses, and operational capabilities than you do.

But let's break down your points.
Encourage new membership in the NPA? NPA recruitment is fine. Military gameplay is something a lot of NSers like and there's never been a problem getting them on board. All your plan would do is to force people who don't like military gameplay to partake in it. I'm not sure how that helps the person- who will dislike the experience- or the NPA- having someone there who doesn't really want to be there.

Take down "spam" or "running for the joy of it" campaigns? Why? This is a democracy. These campaigns are the spice of life. And who are you to decide what is and isn't a serious campaign anyway?

Increase new ideas for operations? Again, I'm a former Delegate. I worked with my MoD on a near daily basis. Discussing what we wanted the NPA's aims to be, what we could accomplish, etc. A lot of times this involved my MoD suggesting new ideas and me asking what they entailed before signing off or denying them. Or me coming up with ideas and my MoD letting me know how feasible they were.
So from my own personal experience I can say that NPA experience is not needed for the Delegate and NPA to collaborate on new ideas and concepts.

I'd like to believe that I- and a whole lot of other former Delegates of this great region- have proven we can be effective despite lacking NPA experience. And I don't take kindly to your suggestion that our way forward should mean excluding people who don't care for military gameplay from high office.
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Man! You sure can debate...
OK, I guess I'll agree that requiring NPA membership may sound like a extreme-radical idea. Any other questions on my issues?
 
Nubt II:
Socialism works. Always did, and always will. I think you've been watching too much western capitalist propaganda. And these "harsh and restrictive" ideas, are what could turn TNP into a TRUE world power. Not the weak, fragile, power we are today.
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1. Socialism has actually never worked, it's an incredibly fundamentally flawed and near impossible concept, but I don't want to argue that point much, we'll agree to disagree
2. We are the strongest region by far, and I believe you highly undervalue the work of the NPA, it's difficult when we're doing the right thing by fighting fascism but having to deal with regions that can't handle the fact that quorum raiding etc. is the most efficient and effective way of dealing with fascism. We must fight as hard as we can against fascism
 
Monkemafiatopia:
2. We are the strongest region by far, and I believe you highly undervalue the work of the NPA, it's difficult when we're doing the right thing by fighting fascism but having to deal with regions that can't handle the fact that quorum raiding etc. is the most efficient and effective way of dealing with fascism. We must fight as hard as we can against fascism
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I agree with all you're points here, excluding the false fact that my party undervalue's the NPA's work.
 
Good Day Comrades,

After the unexpected withdrawal of @Venicea from the Speaker's Election, our members staged an emergency meeting on Discord, this was to determine who we would endorse for Speaker, and is it turned out, no one was running besides @Venicea. Furthermore our member's unanimously voted (11-0) that The North Pacifican Socialist Party will run our own candidate. And after lots of ties and arguments, and a vote of 4-1-3-2-1 we determined who that candidate will be. That candidate is me. And this message is intended to declare my most humble acceptance of the nomination. I will create a thread declaring my candidacy shortly, and will be sure to inform everyone in case it happens.

Thank You,
Chairman Nubt II

Note: TNPSP has updated it's "Beliefs and Issues" to remove NPA service requirement for these 2 positions and declaring TNP socialist.
 
Nubt II:
Note: TNPSP has updated it's "Beliefs and Issues" to remove NPA service requirement for these 2 positions and declaring TNP socialist.
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Well, that's good progress I suppose, good luck moving forward. I don't have any issues with yourself or your views and party but just want to let you know you have a long road ahead of you if you want to make an impact here, best of luck
 
Hello comrades! @Sir Kasto has decided to create a banner for us. How do you guys like it? I'll be sure to use it.
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Monkemafiatopia:
Well, that's good progress I suppose, good luck moving forward. I don't have any issues with yourself or your views and party but just want to let you know you have a long road ahead of you if you want to make an impact here, best of luck
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Thank you! I know that it's a long road for any new party in TNP. We're trying to make a impact, and I can already tell that it's hard. Thanks!
 
Under “Beliefs and Issues” Section 2, you state that you only want embassies with the pacific’s and “about 5 other important regions'”.

Could you elaborate on what you you believe the requirements are to be an “important” region and could you give me examples of what regions you would put into this category?
 
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Under “Beliefs and Issues” Section 2, you state that you only want embassies with the pacific’s and “about 5 other important regions'”.

Could you elaborate on what you you believe the requirements are to be an “important” region and could you give me examples of what regions you would put into this category?
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Important regions would fit into the category of the following requirements:
1. Above 1,500 members.
2. A region with a clear and stable form of government.
3. Cannot be a radical region of any sorts.
4. Includes TEP, TSP, 10KI, TRR, etc.
5. A region that is democratic and leans in some way to TNP's ideals.
 
Prydania:
These places aren't "socialist," and only seem "socialist" from an American perspective. And the American political compass' centre has been drifting rightward since the 80s so yeah. No.
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Finally I have time to give you a full-scale answer on this remark. I'd agree that America's been leaning right in the 80's because of (curse him) Reagan. Notice how I said "in the 80's" and not "since the 80's" this is because there are plenty of programs that the U.S. has implemented that can be told as socialist by anyone politically-blind. Let's give you some examples, Social Security, The Federal Reserve, Corporate Welfare, The Internal Revenue Service, Medicare, Government Schooling, the FDA, and Public Transportation and Security, just to name a few.
 
Nubt II of Mortipal:
Let's give you some examples, Social Security, The Federal Reserve, Corporate Welfare, The Internal Revenue Service, Medicare, Government Schooling, the FDA, and Public Transportation and Security, just to name a few.
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Welfare capitalism is not socialism, and America’s claim to the former is dubious at best.
 
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North Pacific Regional Assembly Member from the United Socialist States of Namwenia, Bulma Francesca, approaches:
Is this party still in existence? If not, are there a group who would be interested in forging a coalition of non-interventionist, Socialist/Communist states to further advance social change within the North Pacific? If so, I would support restarting this party and would love to work with other like-minded members of the working class who wish to advance the cause of socialism. As a socialist member state within the North Pacific, we support such a movement in the Regional Assembly. I am curious about restarting this or a new socialist party within the region to advance socialist causes and support fellow socialist nations.


OOC: If there's literally anyone else who is running a Socialist or Communist nation in the North Pacific, I'm open to restarting or creating a new/similar conceptual party in a serious light and working together with that in mind. Let me know, could be an interesting experiment. The logo I generated for it is on TinyPic here
 
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Namwenia:
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North Pacific Regional Assembly Member from the United Socialist States of Namwenia, Bulma Francesca, approaches:
Is this party still in existence? If not, are there a group who would be interested in forging a coalition of non-interventionist, Socialist/Communist states to further advance social change within the North Pacific? If so, I would support restarting this party and would love to work with other like-minded members of the working class who wish to advance the cause of socialism. As a socialist member state within the North Pacific, we support such a movement in the Regional Assembly. I am curious about restarting this or a new socialist party within the region to advance socialist causes and support fellow socialist nations.


OOC: If there's literally anyone else who is running a Socialist or Communist nation in the North Pacific, I'm open to restarting or creating a new/similar conceptual party in a serious light and working together with that in mind. Let me know, could be an interesting experiment. The logo I generated for it is on TinyPic here
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Sure.
 
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