The North Pacifican Socialist Party (TNPSP) Thread

Nubt II of Mortipal

Nubt II of Mortipal

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Hello Comrades!

Welcome (:welcome:) to The North Pacifican Socialist Party! I am Chairman @Nubt II, Chairman and Founder of TNPSP. TNPSP is a proud and diverse environment where hopefully, you will meet fellow comrades with your same socialist ideals. In order to function as a member of TNPSP you must post the following oath and post it on this thread:

Oath of Membership to The North Pacifican Socialist Party:
I _______.
pledge loyalty to The North Pacifican Socialist Party, obedience to her rules, and responsible action as a member
of her society. I pledge to only register one nation to vote in primaries of this party. I pledge that no nation under my control will
wage disorder, chaos, or a blemish against this most glorious party. I understand that if I break this oath I may permanently lose my voting
privileges and membership. In this manner, I petition the Chairman for membership in The North Pacifican Socialist Party.

So, what are the benefits of being a member of TNPSP? Here are some:
1. Permanent / Lifetime Voting Benefits in our Election Primaries.
2. Permanent / Lifetime Ability to Participate in our Party's Card Giveaways.
3. Permanent / Lifetime Ability to Run for Office under TNPSP Approval.
4. Permanent / Lifetime Guarantee to a Fun and Pure-Socialist Community!
5. And MUCH More!
So what are you waiting for? Apply Now!


Beliefs and Issues:

What does our party stand for?
Lot's of things, most of them being socialist ideals, but here they are:

1. Strengthen the NPA. We believe that in order for TNP to preserve, maintain, and defend it's position on the world stage, it needs a strong and agile military
2. Make TNP's embassies even fewer, we can't be like any other new region building up a thousand embassies! We have to look valuable and hard-to-earn on the world stage! So, I would suggest embassies with all the Pacific's (excluding TWP and The Pacific, see why on #7) and about 5 other important regions'
3. Put harder requirements for citizenship, we can't have spammers, trolls, and bad influences on our forum. By the way, this doesn't mean our political opponentsm or undesirables, we decided to put this in because of the recent flashbacks of RA chaos regarding Cormac and Whole India.
4. Put a limit on the amount of times people can be elected for certain offices, it's about time we stop the 4 or 5 people who keep exchanging offices with each other, without giving new leaders a chance.
5. Declare a all-new generation of about 100 card farms officially owned by the government, we need to gain even more cards for our region, in order to strengthen or welfare programs.
6. Cut relations with all dictatorship regions. It's about time we stopped funding or helping TWP, The Pacific, and Osiris, even if we don't clearly help them, we are by creating foreign relations, embassies, and ambassadors with them.
7. Add massive new operations to the NPA, we need to maintain shows of strength all over the world!
8. Put a strong stance against raiders, and start conquering their strongholds. It's about time people like J o J, Lily, or TBH have been stopped, and we, TNP are the right people to stop them! How do we call ourselves the strongest region on Earth, when we can't conquer these menaces?

Thanks for reading,
Chairman @Nubt II

P.S. Even if you don't agree with our beliefs, or don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all. Of course that excludes Political Debate, suggestions, useful comments, compliments, and non-spam posts.

I wish to see you a member of TNPSP!
~Chairman @Nubt II

Party Stats:
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Party Election Endorsements / Recommended Candidates:
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ELECTION OVERSUPPORTED BY TNPSP@Nubt II (TNPSP Candidate - LOST / ELECTION OVER)
Recommended World Assembly Votes:
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Recommended Regional Assembly Votes:
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NO CURRENT REGIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL / RESOLUTION
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What does our party stand for?
Lot's of things, most of them being socialist ideals, but here they are:

1. Strengthen the NPA. We believe that in order for TNP to preserve, maintain, and defend it's position on the world stage, it needs a strong and agile military
2. Make TNP's embassies even fewer, we can't be like any other new region building up a thousand embassies! We have to look valuable and hard-to-earn on the world stage! So, I would suggest embassies with all the Pacific's (excluding TWP and The Pacific, see why on #7) and about 5 other important regions'
3. Put harder requirements for citizenship, we can't have spammers, trolls, and bad influences on our forum.
4. Officially declare The North Pacific either a Anarcho-Federation or a Social Democracy, it's about time we get a TNP government for the people, and by the people.
5. Put a limit on the amount of times people can be elected for certain offices, it's about time we stop the 4 or 5 people who keep exchanging offices with each other, without giving new leaders a chance.
6. Declare a all-new generation of about 100 card farms officially owned by the government, we need to gain even more cards for our region, in order to strengthen or welfare programs.
7. Cut relations with all dictatorship regions. It's about time we stopped funding or helping TWP, The Pacific, and Osiris, even if we don't clearly help them, we are by creating foreign relations, embassies, and ambassadors with them.
8. Add massive new operations to the NPA, we need to maintain shows of strength all over the world!
9. Make joining the NPA a requirement before running for Delegate or Speaker.
10. Put a strong stance against raiders, and start conquering their strongholds. It's about time people like J o J, Lily, or TBH have been stopped, and we, TNP are the right people to stop them! How do we call ourselves the strongest region on Earth, when we can't conquer these menaces?

Thanks for reading,
Chairman @Nubt II

P.S. Even if you don't agree with our beliefs, if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all.
 
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Nubt II:
TNPSP is starting a limited edition event! From now on, any new members to TNPSP will receive one card from my treasury of (really) valuable cards, remember this event is limited and will only be available until 9/7/2021 or September 7th 2021.

Thank You,
-Chairman @Nubt II
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Hey, would you look at that? Event ends in my birthday!
 
Nubt II:
Even if you don't agree with our beliefs, if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all.
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Well, I'm sorry, but...

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Points 2 and 7 in your platform contradict each other.
Nubt II:
2. Make TNP's embassies even fewer, we can't be like any other new region building up a thousand embassies! We have to look valuable and hard-to-earn on the world stage! So, I would suggest embassies with all the Pacific's and about 5 other important regions'
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Nubt II:
7. Cut relations with all dictatorship regions. It's about time we stopped funding or helping TWP, The Pacific, and Osiris, even if we don't clearly help them, we are by creating foreign relations, embassies, and ambassadors with them.
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Nubt II:
1. Strengthen the NPA. We believe that in order for TNP to preserve, maintain, and defend it's position on the world stage, it needs a strong and agile military
2. Make TNP's embassies even fewer, we can't be like any other new region building up a thousand embassies! We have to look valuable and hard-to-earn on the world stage! So, I would suggest embassies with all the Pacific's (excluding TWP and The Pacific, see why on #7) and about 5 other important regions'
3. Put harder requirements for citizenship, we can't have spammers, trolls, and bad influences on our forum.
4. Officially declare The North Pacific either a Anarcho-Federation or a Social Democracy, it's about time we get a TNP government for the people, and by the people.
5. Put a limit on the amount of times people can be elected for certain offices, it's about time we stop the 4 or 5 people who keep exchanging offices with each other, without giving new leaders a chance.
6. Declare a all-new generation of about 100 card farms officially owned by the government, we need to gain even more cards for our region, in order to strengthen or welfare programs.
7. Cut relations with all dictatorship regions. It's about time we stopped funding or helping TWP, The Pacific, and Osiris, even if we don't clearly help them, we are by creating foreign relations, embassies, and ambassadors with them.
8. Add massive new operations to the NPA, we need to maintain shows of strength all over the world!
9. Make joining the NPA a requirement before running for Delegate or Speaker.
10. Put a strong stance against raiders, and start conquering their strongholds. It's about time people like J o J, Lily, or TBH have been stopped, and we, TNP are the right people to stop them! How do we call ourselves the strongest region on Earth, when we can't conquer these menaces?
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1. We already have a strong military. How will you make it stronger?
2. Embassies don't really mean much, and "playing hard to get" is... an interesting strategy.
3. "Bad influences" - who, your politician enemies? Reducing the citizenship pool is a feature of undemocratic governments in NS.
4. Ah yes, let's declare ourselves to a real life ideology that has no bearing on NationStates.
5. We don't... have 4-5 people trading offices?
6. Okay, fine.
7. Why? What's wrong with them? It's not like they're endorsing RL dictators.
8. Okay, more ops, that's fine.
9. Why? The NPA isn't for everyone. Prydania was a good Delegate, but you don't see him updating. And those two positions seem rather... arbitrary.
10. Oh yes, let's alienate our military friends, like the evil Lily and their fearsome tag raids. Also, your bit about us being the strongest region... you really have no idea how game mechanics work, do you?
 
To be honest, this isn't a terrible start in building a pseudo-socialist platform, but TNP can't be a social democracy if we restrict the franchise to the degree you're suggesting.

Other stuff here doesn't really tie with socialist theory all that much, but I'd interested in seeing how this develops.
 
St George:
To be honest, this isn't a terrible start in building a pseudo-socialist platform, but TNP can't be a social democracy if we restrict the franchise to the degree you're suggesting.

Other stuff here doesn't really tie with socialist theory all that much, but I'd interested in seeing how this develops.
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I will never let tnp become socialist.
 
St George:
It's incredibly easy to apply socialist theory to Nationstates, just take a look at Proper Francoist Thought for a trite if effective application of the Communist Manifesto to NS for an example.
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That's just theming. Actually applying socialist theory to NationStates is impossible, except in the sense of promoting RL socialism in a way similar to the NSLeft regions.
 
Ah yes, let's cut ties with half the GCR's because they have a different government than us and conquer a bunch of random raider orgs because raider bad or something. This is good FA and will definitely not make TNP look crazy and put us at odds with almost everyone else in GP (except TSP and XKI probably but I would probably take any other non-fascist region over those two)
 
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Comfed:
1. We already have a strong military. How will you make it stronger?
2. Embassies don't really mean much, and "playing hard to get" is... an interesting strategy.
3. "Bad influences" - who, your politician enemies? Reducing the citizenship pool is a feature of undemocratic governments in NS.
4. Ah yes, let's declare ourselves to a real life ideology that has no bearing on NationStates.
5. We don't... have 4-5 people trading offices?
6. Okay, fine.
7. Why? What's wrong with them? It's not like they're endorsing RL dictators.
8. Okay, more ops, that's fine.
9. Why? The NPA isn't for everyone. Prydania was a good Delegate, but you don't see him updating. And those two positions seem rather... arbitrary.
10. Oh yes, let's alienate our military friends, like the evil Lily and their fearsome tag raids. Also, your bit about us being the strongest region... you really have no idea how game mechanics work, do you?
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1. TNPSP plans to make the NPA stronger by adding more and more ops against raider regions, this helps maintain TNP's picture as a strong, fair, region on the world stage, it would also increase our influence and power in front of rival regions.
2. Embassies don't mean much, but they SIGNIFY much, meaning that they show which regions TNP is friendly with, or supports. And what you call "playing hard to get" also increases our value, respect, and influence on the world stage, it shows that the strongest Pacific in the world (TNP) isn't just "any other region".
3. OK, you got me wrong on this one, I just wrote this one because of the recent RA chaos regarding Cormac and Whole India, who given their past history, DO NOT deserve our citizenship. I didn't mean respected politicians, who I look up to as a role model, and wouldn't target.
4. Yes, socialism is still in NS, what do you call TCB, TLA, UESR, etc.? Secondly, this one isn't really important, It isn't necessary, but preferable. Plus, why doesn't anybody understand that SOCIALIST isn't COMMUNIST? I hate communism, I believe that Stalin, Khrushchev, and Lenin were examples of "pretend-communists" and authoritarian dictators who only cared for their own interests. I believe in something more like modern-day Canada, where a social democracy is maintained, but not officially declared, and still carries PARTLY-socialist ideals. Get what I mean?
5. Look around... we do.
6. Finally we agree on something, It makes me happy to see that TNPers agree on this one. Programs like "The Great TNP Cards Giveaway" (whatever it's called) is a GREAT federal program, and I applaud all it's creators, but these programs need MASSIVE funding, which is where my plan comes in.
7. Why? Are you seriously asking? These people overthrew honest, fair, and democratic governments, why are we supporting them? Where are TNP's democratic ideals? We need to restore these region's back to their original status, via diplomacy, I don't believe in getting TNP into a huge un-stoppable war with these regions, but if we want to maintain our stance of power and glory on the world stage, we need to do this, together, and as one.
8. Again, very happy that you guys approve of this one.
9. The NPA should be for every one who wants to run, it would encourage people to join, and if you ask me, we have a small, uncappable military, that my party wishes to renovate and turn into the world's strongest, most agile military.
10. Actually, I do. And raiders are bad, really bad. People only learn that when their region's get raided. We need to stop them.
 
Koopa103:
Ah yes, let's cut ties with half the GCR's because they have a different government than us and conquer a bunch of random raider orgs because raider bad or something. This is good FA and will definitely not make TNP look crazy and put us at odds with almost everyone else in GP (except TSP and XKI probably but I would probably take any other non-fascist region over those two)
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Refer to my post above this one, and refer to my post below this sentence.

Nubt II:
P.S. Even if you don't agree with our beliefs, if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all. EDIT: Political debate (as what is with Comfed right now) is allowed.
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Comfed:
That's just theming. Actually applying socialist theory to NationStates is impossible, except in the sense of promoting RL socialism in a way similar to the NSLeft regions.
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That is true, but not my party's plan. We don't want to promote socialism, nor communism, nor favor a party or system over the other, we want TNP as it is right now, plus the below policies:
Nubt II:
What does our party stand for?
Lot's of things, most of them being socialist ideals, but here they are:

1. Strengthen the NPA. We believe that in order for TNP to preserve, maintain, and defend it's position on the world stage, it needs a strong and agile military
2. Make TNP's embassies even fewer, we can't be like any other new region building up a thousand embassies! We have to look valuable and hard-to-earn on the world stage! So, I would suggest embassies with all the Pacific's (excluding TWP and The Pacific, see why on #7) and about 5 other important regions'
3. Put harder requirements for citizenship, we can't have spammers, trolls, and bad influences on our forum.
4. Officially declare The North Pacific either a Anarcho-Federation or a Social Democracy, it's about time we get a TNP government for the people, and by the people. OPTIONAL. PROBABLY WE WON'T IMPLEMENT THIS ONE.
5. Put a limit on the amount of times people can be elected for certain offices, it's about time we stop the 4 or 5 people who keep exchanging offices with each other, without giving new leaders a chance.
6. Declare a all-new generation of about 100 card farms officially owned by the government, we need to gain even more cards for our region, in order to strengthen or welfare programs.
7. Cut relations with all dictatorship regions. It's about time we stopped funding or helping TWP, The Pacific, and Osiris, even if we don't clearly help them, we are by creating foreign relations, embassies, and ambassadors with them.
8. Add massive new operations to the NPA, we need to maintain shows of strength all over the world!
9. Make joining the NPA a requirement before running for Delegate or Speaker.
10. Put a strong stance against raiders, and start conquering their strongholds. It's about time people like J o J, Lily, or TBH have been stopped, and we, TNP are the right people to stop them! How do we call ourselves the strongest region on Earth, when we can't conquer these menaces?

Thanks for reading,
Chairman @Nubt II

P.S. Even if you don't agree with our beliefs, if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all.
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St George:
To be honest, this isn't a terrible start in building a pseudo-socialist platform, but TNP can't be a social democracy if we restrict the franchise to the degree you're suggesting.

Other stuff here doesn't really tie with socialist theory all that much, but I'd interested in seeing how this develops.
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Thanks @St George ! I mean, I don't want it to reach this degree you're saying, I just want very lightly socialist policies with some extra government powers, and more social welfare programs. I mean, implementing "light-socialism" (as I call it) is really hard in NS, but real-life models of the type of government I want TNP to become, or am referring to are:

-New Zealand
-Canada
-Most Scandinavian Nations

And, thank you for your interest in TNPSP, it's an honor to have you here, and I hope we don't disappoint! Also, I would agree, The North Pacifican Socialist Party is off to a great start and looks like a new, nice, alternative for most people.
 
Sir Kasto:
I will never let tnp become socialist.
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Again, I repeat what I said to @Comfed, why doesn't anybody understand that SOCIALIST isn't COMMUNIST? I hate communism, I believe that Stalin, Khrushchev, and Lenin were examples of "pretend-communists" and authoritarian dictators who only cared for their own interests. I believe in something more like modern-day Canada, where a social democracy is maintained, but not officially declared, and still carries PARTLY-socialist ideals. Get what I mean?
 
Nubt II:
Refer to my post above this one, and refer to my post below this sentence.
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Fine, I'll play ball. How is interacting with these organizations and regions in this way, effectively alienating us, better for TNP in the long run?
 
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Koopa103:
Fine, I'll play ball. How is interacting with these organizations and regions in this way, effectively alienating us, better for TNP in the long run?
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What you call "alienating" TNP, would actually increase our influence and power on the world stage, making our military stronger, more feared, and our region more valuable. Besides, regimes like Dilber and East Durthang have already been around long enough, it's about time TNP takes a strong stance against them.
 
Nubt II:
How do I answer "why" in this case? They've been around long enough means that, they have been around long enough, and we need to restore democratic rule there.
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But the nondemocractic government in those places works well, and has the support of the region's community.
 
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