Vacancy Bill

Discussion in 'Regional Assembly' started by Darcania, Mar 9, 2018.

  1. Darcania

    Darcania LBer

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    With the recent removal of Leaves of Absences, and with the more recent declaration of Yukkira's leaving for a month, it occurred to me that we still have a leave of absence of sorts given to government officials through the wording in clause 9. As I see it, two weeks without logging in to the forum is already long enough to leave even with prior notice, and so I propose we remove that wording. There is also the matter of how official that prior notice has to be. Is a private notice to the staff or to the appointer enough, or should it be public? Should the prior notice be located in a specific location on the forum? Is a public Discord notice enough? These are questions that we could answer, but it's best to either make it clear or remove it, and I think it better to remove it.

    I've left an exemption for Yukkira to officially recognize his current leave, and to make extra certain this bill could not be interpreted as retroactive. EDIT: Exemption removed.

     
  2. Siwale

    Siwale Delegate Delegate Citizen NPA

    Full support.
     
  3. Sil Dorsett

    Sil Dorsett Minister of WA Affairs Minister Security Council Citizen

    I might ask Yukkira to step in and clarify the leave of absence, but I don't believe it was a full month off of the forums entirely. The way I read the notice, I think it was more of a break from government service, so I would question whether granting Yukkira an exception to the abandonment clause is necessary. I suppose it doesn't hurt just in case, though.
     
  4. Crushing Our Enemies

    Crushing Our Enemies LBer Citizen

    I don't have a problem with the implementation clause, since I'm fairly sure that even if we didn't have it, the Bill of Rights would protect Yukkira from removal (the part that forbids ex post facto laws). The just formalizes that intention, and hopefully keeps it out of court.
     
  5. Darcania

    Darcania LBer

    That's the main point of it, yes. I doubt it will have any actual effect but it's better to make it explicit anyway rather than implicit through the Bill of Rights.
     
  6. Baker Park

    Baker Park LBer

    so, the law of unintended consequences comes into play here? A perfectly reasonable clause in an existing law is repealed on a capricious whim, and then less than 3 months following that an exception is now a priority, despite the fact that according to the transcript of debate, the exception isn't actually needed at all? We have a Deputy Minister of Culture who can handle the workload:
    http://forum.thenorthpacific.org/po...121322&qhash=11c0ce647135fb3a476eaa025e20b64d

    and as mentioned a few moments ago, the parameters of continuity of activity have been modified since the original section was adopted.

    Either the Bill is out of order on it's merit, or is unnecessary, seeing as how it is introduced strictly as a benefit for a single member. There is no affect on Game Play whatsoever.
     
  7. Sil Dorsett

    Sil Dorsett Minister of WA Affairs Minister Security Council Citizen

    You at best misinterpreted, or at worse twisted, what I was saying in your proposal thread. This proposal is not a roleplaying proposal. It is a government maintenance proposal that alters a law.

    Anyways, although the 2nd clause may not be needed, it is a clarification that Yukkira gave notice under the old law and the new law cannot apply to Yukkira because of the prohibition of ex post facto laws.
     
  8. Crushing Our Enemies

    Crushing Our Enemies LBer Citizen

    The rationale for this proposal is sound - since we no longer extend leaves of absences to citizens, it doesn't make sense for government officials to have them either.
     
  9. Baker Park

    Baker Park LBer

    Good looking out. I make no excuse for a word used incorrectly. I hope your pedantic fetish applies to your own posts.

    Specific words have actual meanings. I did no such thing....and this point that you somehow attribute to me to some spite or malice from a completely different subject is completely divorced from Your Declaration in the submitted bill (that You introduced) to repeal the section of the Code which now requires a review and exemption.

    I object to the second clause on its merit; if it "may not" be needed, there is no legal purpose to be included in the draft. I move it be stricken.
     
  10. Darcania

    Darcania LBer

    Watch yourself. I will not have any thread in the Regional Assembly devolve into personal attacks. This thread, and in fact all threads here, is for debates on proposals, not snipes on your fellow citizens' characters.

    Sil Dorsett has not attributed malice to you. Neither has he introduced this bill. I am the one who proposed this bill.

    No. One need only see my post and COE's post to see why it is still seen as necessary, even if it may end up having no actual effect.
     
  11. I like this Baker Park guy, they remind me of a more amateurish, less refined version of Cormac back from 2013. Throw some Douria into it and bake for 30 minutes at GM 5 and you'll get something that makes somewhat more sense than the tripe I've seen thus far from them.

    That said, since I appear to have stumbled upon this - I'd agree with COE's response up top. That said, one post per month is not an arduous requirement: I've been meeting it despite doing absolutely sod all else since January. In fact, were Yukkira not to make another post until April 10th, he'd be fine under our current laws even without this bill passing in terms of citizenship providing he remembers to login where appropriate at least once every 14 days.

    Maybe there will be events in the future where people absolutely cannot access the needed facilities to do their job, and in that case, these people should resign. That sounds cruel, but why occupy a role if you cannot actually do the job at that time?
     
  12. Baker Park

    Baker Park LBer

    And I respectfully would like to highlight this quote again--it certainly appears that something is being accused, which is just not true.

    And he did introduce the bill which was previously passed which this particular initiative seeks to redress. Perhaps that confusion is my fault for the way it was worded.

    And I certainly think this remark is uncalled for. I refer to my answer in the discussion of the Oath bill--more of "you better know your place around here, boy".
     
  13. Syrixia

    Syrixia LBer Citizen

    Are you done hijacking each proposal of actual merit with repeated argumentation?
     
  14. Darcania

    Darcania LBer

    I have removed the clause exempting Yukkira since Yukkira has resigned.
     
  15. Darcania

    Darcania LBer

    I move for a vote.
     
  16. abc

    abc LBer

    The bill is now in formal debate, which will last for five days, after which a vote will be scheduled.
     
  17. abc

    abc LBer

    A vote has been scheduled to take place on April 12th.
     
  18. Siwale

    Siwale Delegate Delegate Citizen NPA

    So...are we just going to pretend this bill never happened?
     
  19. Dinoium

    Dinoium Deputy Attorney General Citizen

    :duh:
    Well I looked at the voting floor and we never voted on this, so I want to motion this for a new vote..
     
  20. Darcania

    Darcania LBer

    Only the proposer (me) may motion for a vote, as this is a legislative amendment. As well, I had motioned above already.

    I had been attempting to use this bill to teach my deputy abc the basics of handling the RA side of Speaker duties but he was never around often enough in TNP for me to teach him. Whoever the next Speaker is can take it from here.