National Sonacism in Rhuvanland
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I hope you have fun sailing the long way around past the Syrixian Coast cuz Ilia wants no part in this mess and will deny access to the trade routes through our waters for the purpose of war.Wolfsea:
Oh no, Sebt and the Lady of the Moon won't send Wolfsea to war over that but the cog on Rhuvanlands new flag is very similar to a taboo symbol in Marledi, it's pretty much the equivalent of an upside down crucifix with 666 painted down it and the lyrics to Lady in Red (the most evil song in the world) on the other, which has got one psycho priest ready to turn any conflict into a crusade against the "Black Sun Heretics".Kannex:
Helmebaine is basically defunct.Kannex:
If I may ask, however, don't just kill Rhuvanland right off the bat. Let me go forth and do the RP as I planned. In the coming week or so you'll see Rhuvanland reach Tajis' border; and then when Amelia, the Esplandian Princess, arrives in Rhuvanland, you'll get to see Nazo propaganda in further detail.
Eventually, I do have it planned for Rhuvanland to do something crazy (which I'll be discussing with Esplandia about to see what we can do about that) and then you guys can just go nuts. Protests will rock Rhuvanland and they'll be ruthlessly suppressed. From there, what happens is a matter of how you guys react.
The Grim Reaper
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You'd better give us a damn good OOC and IC reason not to step in when you're making an OOC move - territorial expansion on the OOC map.
Is this OOCly going to be a permanent expansion? Because if it is, then I feel more than justified OOCly in taking IC steps to stop it. If it isn't, then I OOCly would be more willing to step off and see how this goes.
Is this OOCly going to be a permanent expansion? Because if it is, then I feel more than justified OOCly in taking IC steps to stop it. If it isn't, then I OOCly would be more willing to step off and see how this goes.
It isn't. The Nazos are going to have trouble in the northeast specifically quelling native revolts. Eventually when the Nazo regime falls, Rhuvanland will be making a treaty with the natives and sending them reparations; as well as leaving the expanded lands.
The natives are going to need those reparations, considering the plans I have set. >
The natives are going to need those reparations, considering the plans I have set. >
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- McMasterdonia
I don't understand why the map expansion was necessary at all, and I disagree with it. Furthermore you have admitted only recently that you had completely neglected Rhuvanland and even said that the nation was weak. How does that weakness fit with this expansion? And secondly, is it really a good idea for the first significant RP since the 'Great War' to be provoking another international war with Nebula?
As to the natives, what does this mean exactly? Will you be creating another nation on our map made up of 'natives' that you will not use post this war? Or will it just return to vacant land? If it is the latter, then I see no point to this at all. If it is the former, then I feel it will just create another weak puppet state that will not be used at all.
As to the natives, what does this mean exactly? Will you be creating another nation on our map made up of 'natives' that you will not use post this war? Or will it just return to vacant land? If it is the latter, then I see no point to this at all. If it is the former, then I feel it will just create another weak puppet state that will not be used at all.
It's a combination of the fact that the RP section has been slowly winding down. Only a few RP arcs (the Unseelie Accords and a couple others) are now extremely active. I'm trying to boost the RP section back to its former glory it attained earlier this year; with open RPs that many people were a part of. This effort has succeeded spectacularly!
The second thing is I do want to do something with Rhuvanland. So I have decided to make it a Nazo (National Sonacist) state. I want there to be this crazy new regime so people can talk about it and things can get buzzing again. Plus, I've now done something with Rhuvanland, and I feel satisfied. I'm very happy with the interest of multiple RPers in the Rhuvish situation, and I think we're gonna have an interesting experience.
The second thing is I do want to do something with Rhuvanland. So I have decided to make it a Nazo (National Sonacist) state. I want there to be this crazy new regime so people can talk about it and things can get buzzing again. Plus, I've now done something with Rhuvanland, and I feel satisfied. I'm very happy with the interest of multiple RPers in the Rhuvish situation, and I think we're gonna have an interesting experience.
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- McMasterdonia
I look forward to an 'extremely active' thread filled with 'great' RP posts then. One line posts about bombing runs. Excellent. /s
Also, can you tone it down with the huge green text? One big tag should be enough to get the point across.
Also, can you tone it down with the huge green text? One big tag should be enough to get the point across.
Let's hope it doesn't come to the bombing runs. I was thinking more along the lines of economic sanctions. Your choice how to react, though.
As for the one line posts, god no. Just no. No to all. >_>
As for the green text; is it very big? It isn't THAT big on my computer screen.
As for the one line posts, god no. Just no. No to all. >_>
As for the green text; is it very big? It isn't THAT big on my computer screen.
The Grim Reaper
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Syrixia:Let's hope it doesn't come to the bombing runs. I was thinking more along the lines of economic sanctions. Your choice how to react, though.
As for the one line posts, god no. Just no. No to all. >_>
As for the green text; is it very big? It isn't THAT big on my computer screen.
Let's hope it doesn't come to the bombing runs. I was thinking more along the lines of economic sanctions. Your choice how to react, though.
As for the one line posts, god no. Just no. No to all. >_>
As for the green text; is it very big? It isn't THAT big on my computer screen.
It's fairly big, yeah.
I'll be sure to take a look at that. My computer is a Mac; do you guys have Windows? That may be why it's big for you.The Grim Reaper:Syrixia:Let's hope it doesn't come to the bombing runs. I was thinking more along the lines of economic sanctions. Your choice how to react, though.
As for the one line posts, god no. Just no. No to all. >_>
As for the green text; is it very big? It isn't THAT big on my computer screen.Let's hope it doesn't come to the bombing runs. I was thinking more along the lines of economic sanctions. Your choice how to react, though.
As for the one line posts, god no. Just no. No to all. >_>
As for the green text; is it very big? It isn't THAT big on my computer screen.
It's fairly big, yeah.
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I think most people will be windows users. It's a simple change, the default text size should be enough. If it must be bigger, use one big tag... No more than that.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Faibuaizu is out of it too, can't speak for the alliance as a whole but it's looking pretty snoozy.
Also, just realised and now need to ask but are some people actually wanting me to just start invading places, I'm not going to but it just seems like everybody is expecting to see my troops booking flights...
Also, just realised and now need to ask but are some people actually wanting me to just start invading places, I'm not going to but it just seems like everybody is expecting to see my troops booking flights...
Kannex
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With investment in Rhuvanland running dry, I suppose there would be incentive to find new natural resources. Best route is fascist-style economics: integrate entrepreneurs and a degree of free enterprise within an overall command economy, while paying lip service to unionism and workers' rights.
I was planning a Lebensraum-like thing anyway. Hence the expansion. The Nazos want Rhuvanland to be self-sufficient, mainly as a giant propaganda machine showing the citizenry the capability of the government, enticing citizens to put their trust in it and serve the government. (And secondly as a matter of survival of course.Kannex:
)EDIT: Just remembered to check. The text in question doesn't seem THAT big. How big is it for you guys? Screenshots plos?
Same size. The problem is not whether it is a little big, or very big. But rather, some people find text larger than that which is necessary for comfortable reading is a trifle annoying.Syrixia:
Kannex
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What the hell are you surviving against? All that foreign investment and the Rhuvish couldn't rebuild their asses from the Great War?Syrixia:I was planning a Lebensraum-like thing anyway. Hence the expansion. The Nazos want Rhuvanland to be self-sufficient, mainly as a giant propaganda machine showing the citizenry the capability of the government, enticing citizens to put their trust in it and serve the government. (And secondly as a matter of survival of course.Kannex:
EDIT: Just remembered to check. The text in question doesn't seem THAT big. How big is it for you guys? Screenshots plos?
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This is the consensus of the Leftist leaning Ilian Coalition and the Social Democrats that control the IAF the largest constituent of the Coalition.Nebula:
Its also our consensus that they won't be allowed to operate commercially in our sphere of influence depending on how things progress.
Syrixia is similar. We use Nordic model socialism so socialists aren't evil to us. However, while we love our distinct culture and our nation, we despise jingoism and view that it can lead to hate crime and war.Nebula:
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Both of your nations are well known for exercising a jingoist approach to foreign policy 
Even if you're trying to change your perception of your nation, pretending that culturally your nation hates jingoism.. while somehow managing to elect leaders who enact that very policy over a long period of time is pretty ridiculous.
A helpful definition from wikipedia.
"Jingoism is patriotism in the form of aggressive foreign policy. Jingoism also refers to a country's advocacy for the use of threats or actual force, as opposed to peaceful relations, in efforts to safeguard what it perceives as its national interests. Colloquially, it refers to excessive bias in judging one's own country as superior to others—an extreme type of nationalism"
Does nobody remember the Great War? Or Shie Rhen? Or uh anything else that happened between you two in RP? Certainly in Syrixia's case, his nation has always given the impression that it believes it is superior to others in almost every way, but both Nebula and Syrixia have exercised patriotism in the form of aggressive foreign policy - often over relatively trivial matters in the grand scheme of Eras.
Even if you're trying to change your perception of your nation, pretending that culturally your nation hates jingoism.. while somehow managing to elect leaders who enact that very policy over a long period of time is pretty ridiculous.
A helpful definition from wikipedia.
"Jingoism is patriotism in the form of aggressive foreign policy. Jingoism also refers to a country's advocacy for the use of threats or actual force, as opposed to peaceful relations, in efforts to safeguard what it perceives as its national interests. Colloquially, it refers to excessive bias in judging one's own country as superior to others—an extreme type of nationalism"
Does nobody remember the Great War? Or Shie Rhen? Or uh anything else that happened between you two in RP?
Certainly in Syrixia's case, his nation has always given the impression that it believes it is superior to others in almost every way, but both Nebula and Syrixia have exercised patriotism in the form of aggressive foreign policy - often over relatively trivial matters in the grand scheme of Eras.
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Sure, the political leader made false promises, but his jingoist approach to foreign affairs didn't come from nowhere. It is pretty unlikely that a massively pacificst/anti-jingoist population would have elected him. It may have been OOCly the worst decision of your RP history, but it was one you made. These things take time to change. Claiming a cultural opposition to a jingoist/nationalism approach is pretty strange given recent history. I'd think most nations would feel that you've made it seem as though Syrixia has a superiority complex over other nations, even if the new leader has toned down his rhetoric.
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One of the first things you said to me coming back is that Syrixia will act as a hegemon over my nation. That means Icly not even Rhuvanland but Syrixia itself thinks that it is above the Andulan now Ilian people.Syrixia:
And this wasn't even two week ago.
You can't argue that your nation is culturally against Jingoism when you are actively pushing a Jingoist narrative as this thread goes on.
Not true. I asked if you were interested in joining the CCC, which is basically a group of nations on the same continent that like to hang out together. Just because I was elected Chairman does not mean it's my little hegemony agency. I just got elected. And what the fuck? Since when did I say my people are above yours?!
For God's sakes.
For God's sakes.
Just read McM's post and re-read LL's. UGH. You guys make everything I say turn into an argument. Syrixia is not a jingoist nation. Seriously, if RPs like these keep bringing this crap up, I will stop the RP. This is getting annoying to the point where I don't feel as if I'm a part of this community but instead some guy to make derogatory comments at.
I'm not in a good mood right now because of this. I'm not gonna lie. If you guys really are gonna keep using Bhargava and his policies as justification for the fact that Syrixia is a jingoist nation, I will make him null-canon.
I'm not in a good mood right now because of this. I'm not gonna lie. If you guys really are gonna keep using Bhargava and his policies as justification for the fact that Syrixia is a jingoist nation, I will make him null-canon.
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- McMasterdonia
It is a reality. Your nation was Jingoist, and to simply pretend it has all suddenly changed is naive. These things take time to change. I'm not creating an argument, just making a point.
Just food for thought, but you don't really ever RP any weaknesses or issues with Syrixia itself. Whenever there is a ranking - whether it be power, or economics, or even international football, you always want Syrixia to be better than every other nation. That doesn't necessarily mean that it is, but that the Syrixians perceive themselves to be better than every other nation. Like when we had the big debate about the sizes of militaries.. nuclear warheads... territory size, etc. The list goes on. Or even the Nuclear explosion that had no economic impact whatsoever. That is just the approach the Government of Syrixia takes. To outsiders it would look as though Syrixia believes it is better than all other nations on the planet.
You also raise the issue of at what point null-cannoning RP should be permitted.. To null cannon such a large part of the rp history of Syrixia and other countries would seem counterproductive. It would be like if Guslantis null-cannoned the NPTO. Not fair to other nations.
You are part of this community here and nobody is attacking you. You should be able to handle some minor criticism of the application of your national ideology and foreign policy. I suggest you take a break from RPing if you are getting this worked up about these comments.
Just food for thought, but you don't really ever RP any weaknesses or issues with Syrixia itself. Whenever there is a ranking - whether it be power, or economics, or even international football, you always want Syrixia to be better than every other nation. That doesn't necessarily mean that it is, but that the Syrixians perceive themselves to be better than every other nation. Like when we had the big debate about the sizes of militaries.. nuclear warheads... territory size, etc. The list goes on. Or even the Nuclear explosion that had no economic impact whatsoever. That is just the approach the Government of Syrixia takes. To outsiders it would look as though Syrixia believes it is better than all other nations on the planet.
You also raise the issue of at what point null-cannoning RP should be permitted.. To null cannon such a large part of the rp history of Syrixia and other countries would seem counterproductive. It would be like if Guslantis null-cannoned the NPTO. Not fair to other nations.
You are part of this community here and nobody is attacking you. You should be able to handle some minor criticism of the application of your national ideology and foreign policy. I suggest you take a break from RPing if you are getting this worked up about these comments.
Kannex
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I seriously doubt if your nation isn't in the process of being absorbed into some supranational union (read: EU) that you wouldn't have some RAH-RAH sentiment. Even then, several Germans and Frenchmen enjoy tooting their own horns; it's only natural. I suppose it's a matter of whether the jingoism gets to your head -- i.e. how your leaders conduct foreign policy.
The United States is plenty jingoistic and we're proud of the fact we're one of the most powerful countries in the world, but we always treat every single nation with respect in our diplomatic dealings (I mean in the sense that our president shakes hand and gets buddy-buddy with the Zimbabwean, Nigerian, etc. president instead demanding they bow down and pay tribute). I RP Kannex along similar lines.
The United States is plenty jingoistic and we're proud of the fact we're one of the most powerful countries in the world, but we always treat every single nation with respect in our diplomatic dealings (I mean in the sense that our president shakes hand and gets buddy-buddy with the Zimbabwean, Nigerian, etc. president instead demanding they bow down and pay tribute). I RP Kannex along similar lines.
At present, I do not want my nation to be better than everyone else's. That's not a concept I believe in.
When I had Bhargava killed and a new government elected, it was because I wanted to try again. I had seen the idiocy of my actions and learned that NS RP isn't just attacking people like it's a game of Risk. NS RP's goal is certainly NOT to rule the world. I'd argue NS RP has no goal.
This is why we're here. A new, left-wing, pacifist government has been elected. Instead of brushing it off as bullcrap, give them a damn chance. It's why there IS a new government in the first place. Because I want to try again and do it right this time.
Do you guys respect that? So far it seems you don't. And if it's because I really haven't gone into detail about the country's weaknesses, it's because I have no damn idea what to make weak. I could use some assistance there.
EDIT: I suppose perhaps Bhargava wanted to do what he said he would, and in the thick of war the jingoism got to his head. But as I said before, there's a new government and Bhargava is dead. At least give them a chance, guys.
When I had Bhargava killed and a new government elected, it was because I wanted to try again. I had seen the idiocy of my actions and learned that NS RP isn't just attacking people like it's a game of Risk. NS RP's goal is certainly NOT to rule the world. I'd argue NS RP has no goal.
This is why we're here. A new, left-wing, pacifist government has been elected. Instead of brushing it off as bullcrap, give them a damn chance. It's why there IS a new government in the first place. Because I want to try again and do it right this time.
Do you guys respect that? So far it seems you don't. And if it's because I really haven't gone into detail about the country's weaknesses, it's because I have no damn idea what to make weak. I could use some assistance there.
EDIT: I suppose perhaps Bhargava wanted to do what he said he would, and in the thick of war the jingoism got to his head. But as I said before, there's a new government and Bhargava is dead. At least give them a chance, guys.
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I understand a new government has been elected, but that doesn't change the culture overnight. There will still be jingoist elements in Syrixia and in opposition. But you've basically said in this thread that it just doesn't exist any more. Which seems pretty strange
As to weaknesses, well, I think that's up to you. But that isn't just on you either, many nations are like that. They operate as utopias even with 99% of the population being apparently members of the military xD. I think if you want Syrixia to be India-esque, you could RP similar problems to what they have. Poverty, homelessness, cultural issues etc. Or you could go a different way and say that while there is little poverty, the Government is in huge debt and the economy is sluggish. It's up to you really.
As to weaknesses, well, I think that's up to you. But that isn't just on you either, many nations are like that. They operate as utopias even with 99% of the population being apparently members of the military xD. I think if you want Syrixia to be India-esque, you could RP similar problems to what they have. Poverty, homelessness, cultural issues etc. Or you could go a different way and say that while there is little poverty, the Government is in huge debt and the economy is sluggish. It's up to you really.
I would like to emphasize this part of my post, which basically sums the whole thing up.Syrixia:
Also, I found a weakness for Syrixia. During peace, we try to keep peace. If we're a belligerent in a war, however, we go ape shit. The stereotypical Syrixian could be a smart person, kind to all, but very easy to anger. Just like me IRL. Holy shit.
It's more of a behavioral weakness. That's the best I can come up wi-Kannex:
OH MY GOD IDEA!!! Not many people live in the rural areas of Syrixia, but a lot live in the cities. Perhaps there would be a poverty issue/disease in the northeastern plateaus of the nation?
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Giving the government a chance is not hugely relevant to anything I said. The Government might not be jingoist, but certainly elements of the population will be extremely jingoist and the opposition most likely would be. Given that the jingoist approach has only been abandoned recently.Syrixia:
The Democrats are in power, and the Centrists are the Opposition, as they came in second in the elections. I don't see a clear-cut government vs. opposition conflict here.mcmasterdonia:
Also, be sure to see my previous post for my idea.
There's a difference between official opposition, and the rest of the opposition. Do you intend to say that there are literally zero jingoists in office now?Syrixia: