The Great North Pacific Trade Agreement

Nasania wishes to be admitted to the Great North Pacific Trade Agreement. We have two ports, the fishing villageNaval HQ Koski and the great city of Rumarusu which is next to the Kowa river. We have many ships that are privately owned, and some that are government owned. We have yet to do a complete tally on them since the civil war, and some of our military vessels are classified.
 
The Socialist Democracy of Guslantis would like to admitted via our port city of Augustus Town. We are also willing to provide ships and supplies directly made in Pigletville as there is a main route between these two cities. Augustus Town is also accepting the new embassies as the capital city is too small to fit all of the embassies, so if accepted, you may also have an embassy directly at the port.
 
Here's the approval.
Guslantis, the embassy set-up works very well indeed. This raises another point: it may be worth ensuring all nations on the route have embassies with each other, or maybe a general 'Route Embassy' to cater for representatives for all nations of the route. Thoughts please?
And Cascadia, you win the award for least bureaucratic application. Welcome.
 
The Spokesman of Eumenor:
Here's the approval.
Guslantis, the embassy set-up works very well indeed. This raises another point: it may be worth ensuring all nations on the route have embassies with each other, or maybe a general 'Route Embassy' to cater for representatives for all nations of the route. Thoughts please?
And Cascadia, you win the award for least bureaucratic application. Welcome.
:agree: Sounds like a good idea. Nasania has only one main port as well, Rumarusu. Everything goes through that city to get to our capital, which is upriver. To have the availability of embassies in our ports would save on transit time for our representaives. We could even have a cool badge in the signature that shows membership in GNPTA (the Great North Pacific Trade Agreement) and confers diplomatic privileges.

On a different note, do you think we should have an official map section of member nations with trades routes?
 
I second the motion for the creation of a GNPTA badge. We should ask Plembington, he's good at that stuff.
 
I think we should get Plembobria to join the agreement- he's great at heraldry.
He'd make a good badge.
 
Eumenor:
These are all good ideas. Nasania, would you like to sort that out?

Sure.
I have taken the liberty of creating a 'Map of GNPTA' section in Negotiations to start with.. Here is a preliminary map I made that I will be using.

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From there, I can use Autorealm to draw-in mountains, ports, trade-routes, roads and other cartographical features for individual nations upon request. Here is a map I made for a puppet awhile back.
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Should we make another membership map showing the original members? We could even make a timelapse map of GNPTA if someone knows how to do that.

I think a membership list should also be provided along with dates of admission, along with a list current ports.

Syrixia:
I think we should get Plembobria to join the agreement- he's great at heraldry.
He'd make a good badge.

Agreed.
 
The Commonweath is considering joining the Free Trade Agreement, but I am curious about a few things. For clarification, we would like to know if we are required to trade with all members of the GNPTA, or if this agreement is just meant to facilitate already existing trade between nations. Also, as members, if we were to provide some level of service to the trade agreement, are we required to provide that service to all members? Finally, who sets the tariffs? Why should our nation use this service in lieu of trading on our own accord?
 
The GNPTA does not require trade with all GNPTA nations, nor does it require to provide service to all members. It is simply to promote more trade between TNP nations, as you said.

As the Administrator State, Eumenor sets all the tariffs, though the Eumenorians only sign them into law and new tariff settings must be supported by a 2/3 majority vote; voters vote by saying "Aye" or "Nay". We haven't got around to setting tariffs at the moment, however.

The GNPTA is the biggest trade agreement in the region, and as such by joining it you have a lot of options on who to trade with and what to import. Plus, by trading within the GNPTA, Scandigrad can foster better relations with many nations. So; all in all, joining the GNPTA is better than refusing to do so.
 
Scandigrad:
The Commonweath is considering joining the Free Trade Agreement, but I am curious about a few things. For clarification, we would like to know if we are required to trade with all members of the GNPTA, or if this agreement is just meant to facilitate already existing trade between nations. Also, as members, if we were to provide some level of service to the trade agreement, are we required to provide that service to all members? Finally, who sets the tariffs? Why should our nation use this service in lieu of trading on our own accord?

Syrixia:
The GNPTA does not require trade with all GNPTA nations, nor does it require to provide service to all members. It is simply to promote more trade between TNP nations, as you said.

As the Administrator State, Eumenor sets all the tariffs, though the Eumenorians only sign them into law and new tariff settings must be supported by a 2/3 majority vote; voters vote by saying "Aye" or "Nay". We haven't got around to setting tariffs at the moment, however.

The GNPTA is the biggest trade agreement in the region, and as such by joining it you have a lot of options on who to trade with and what to import. Plus, by trading within the GNPTA, Scandigrad can foster better relations with many nations. So; all in all, joining the GNPTA is better than refusing to do so.

Um, what the hell?

I am pretty sure that I was told that this was NOT a free trade agreement, but rather an agreement to trade with one another. Which is it? I am not interested in providing free trade with every single nation that chooses to sign this.
 
Syrixia:
The GNPTA does not require trade with all GNPTA nations, nor does it require to provide service to all members. It is simply to promote more trade between TNP nations, as you said.

As the Administrator State, Eumenor sets all the tariffs, though the Eumenorians only sign them into law and new tariff settings must be supported by a 2/3 majority vote; voters vote by saying "Aye" or "Nay". We haven't got around to setting tariffs at the moment, however.

The GNPTA is the biggest trade agreement in the region, and as such by joining it you have a lot of options on who to trade with and what to import. Plus, by trading within the GNPTA, Scandigrad can foster better relations with many nations. So; all in all, joining the GNPTA is better than refusing to do so.
Without wishing to tread on any toes here Syrixia, this was not what I had in mind for the route. We may be talking at crossed purposes. This is not a free trade network. A free trade network of that sort is not necessarily a good thing, as it deprives nations of the income from trade tariffs necessary to build an economy, and could actually end up with member nations avoiding trade with one another because of loss of profitability. Where tariffs are concerned, I have no intention of setting a region wide tariff, as stated in an earlier post where I attempted to clarify this for you. I quote:

"Happy to oblige, McMasterdonia.
We are by no means creating a free trade system. Tariffs will still apply, and there is flexibility for each state to set its own. However, we wish to set up the sort of infrastructure that does not exist in the North Pacific as of yet. We wish to provide a reliable and regular stream of ships circulating between nations to form a network to be used by small businesses and large government agencies to encourage trade and the transfer of goods from place to place. The prices associated with importing goods would remain, although perhaps you could consider lowering tariffs for new nations to help them to get their economies growing. This route would bring members closer together in terms of regional relations, as well as in physical time terms. This is not a free trade zone, but it will promote trade, ultimately bringing more business to powerhouse nations such as yours, and helping to get a good start for new TNPers just starting to build their trade empires. Of course, if you wish to edit Syrixia's and my own plans for this route to something that you feel is more reasonable, please do not hesitate to say so - your experience is much needed!"

And slightly later:

"Clear purpose? Well, for one thing, emulating the real world. While there is no in-game function, there are many RL trade treaties, and in the interest of being realistic, it would be good for countries to be part of international routes like these: Posted Image
Also, it should hopefully aim to create a strong community, where we can collaborate on projects, such as Syrixia's space programme for which I am supplying some resources and funding as well as aiding in the design process, or my planned nuclear fusion energy campaign."

This route is here to encourage and facilitate trading, build relationships, aid new nations in getting into the community and building their economies, and of course bring money into the states that are part of it through increased flow of goods. You are absolutely encouraged to set your own tariffs. I ask that they are not so high as to price out smaller nations, but this is your choice.
 
The Spokesman of Eumenor:
Syrixia:
The GNPTA does not require trade with all GNPTA nations, nor does it require to provide service to all members. It is simply to promote more trade between TNP nations, as you said.

As the Administrator State, Eumenor sets all the tariffs, though the Eumenorians only sign them into law and new tariff settings must be supported by a 2/3 majority vote; voters vote by saying "Aye" or "Nay". We haven't got around to setting tariffs at the moment, however.

The GNPTA is the biggest trade agreement in the region, and as such by joining it you have a lot of options on who to trade with and what to import. Plus, by trading within the GNPTA, Scandigrad can foster better relations with many nations. So; all in all, joining the GNPTA is better than refusing to do so.
Without wishing to tread on any toes here Syrixia, this was not what I had in mind for the route. We may be talking at crossed purposes. This is not a free trade network. A free trade network of that sort is not necessarily a good thing, as it deprives nations of the income from trade tariffs necessary to build an economy, and could actually end up with member nations avoiding trade with one another because of loss of profitability. Where tariffs are concerned, I have no intention of setting a region wide tariff, as stated in an earlier post where I attempted to clarify this for you. I quote:

"Happy to oblige, McMasterdonia.
We are by no means creating a free trade system. Tariffs will still apply, and there is flexibility for each state to set its own. However, we wish to set up the sort of infrastructure that does not exist in the North Pacific as of yet. We wish to provide a reliable and regular stream of ships circulating between nations to form a network to be used by small businesses and large government agencies to encourage trade and the transfer of goods from place to place. The prices associated with importing goods would remain, although perhaps you could consider lowering tariffs for new nations to help them to get their economies growing. This route would bring members closer together in terms of regional relations, as well as in physical time terms. This is not a free trade zone, but it will promote trade, ultimately bringing more business to powerhouse nations such as yours, and helping to get a good start for new TNPers just starting to build their trade empires. Of course, if you wish to edit Syrixia's and my own plans for this route to something that you feel is more reasonable, please do not hesitate to say so - your experience is much needed!"

And slightly later:

"Clear purpose? Well, for one thing, emulating the real world. While there is no in-game function, there are many RL trade treaties, and in the interest of being realistic, it would be good for countries to be part of international routes like these: Posted Image
Also, it should hopefully aim to create a strong community, where we can collaborate on projects, such as Syrixia's space programme for which I am supplying some resources and funding as well as aiding in the design process, or my planned nuclear fusion energy campaign."

This route is here to encourage and facilitate trading, build relationships, aid new nations in getting into the community and building their economies, and of course bring money into the states that are part of it through increased flow of goods. You are absolutely encouraged to set your own tariffs. I ask that they are not so high as to price out smaller nations, but this is your choice.
Ah ok. I thought it was something different.

Scandigrad and McM, hopefully Eumenor's post answers your concerns. Apologies for the misunderstandings.
 
Duly noted.

Eumenor, would you mind adding some of that information to the OP? I think it would be greatly useful for new nations who wish to join..
 
Let's just hope Scandigrad understands that I erred like McM did and reads your explanation. Otherwise we may have lost an applicant.

And also, I recommend you go through this thread and update the member list. Or just look at the map. Many states besides me, you and MCM have joined the agreement.
 
Yes, much better! Oh and here's a challenge, let's see if we can get r3naissanc3r to join the Agreement.
 
In response to the recent questioning by McM. I thought the GNPTA was like international ebay? Eumenor provides the means of business(ships), and we the nations haggle the trade terms and conditions ourselves, provided that Eumenor gets a cut in the proceeds. This enriches Eumenor and allows smaller, poor nations that can't afford a fleet the ability to trade. An added bonus is protection against (Yarghh Pirates!) Is this correct?
 
I like the ebay analogy. Yes, that is sort of correct, but it's not just about Eumenor. All nations in the agreement should get cuts in the proceeds. This agreement is about each nation having the freedom to haggle while the infrastructure to support it is in place. The route is definitely not run or controlled by Eumenor, I'm just the founder and am managing it at the minute. This route is for all of its members.
 
The Spokesman of Eumenor:
I like the ebay analogy. Yes, that is sort of correct, but it's not just about Eumenor. All nations in the agreement should get cuts in the proceeds. This agreement is about each nation having the freedom to haggle while the infrastructure to support it is in place. The route is definitely not run or controlled by Eumenor, I'm just the founder and am managing it at the minute. This route is for all of its members.
Ok that's what I thought. Thanks. Could you please put that up in the GNPTA description?


On a separate issue, how are overland trade routes to be handled? Some countries are landlocked (Mine is almost landlocked), but we could run an overland trade route through Gladio or Konoha to the sea from Rumarusu up the Kowa River, through Kotiranta (a Shangri-la like city), to Tenohira Island if either one of them joins GNPTA.
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The Spokesman of Eumenor:
That's one option, or we could sail through McMasterdonia and dock at Rumarusu, and ship it over land through Nasania?
Currently that is what we are doing. Just wondering if the GNPTA operates overland as well. Also perusing other ideas.(McMasterdonian situation could get strange, like a rebel government siezes control and closes all the shipping lanes.)

I have posted a thread to establish trade relations(natural resources is what is listed, but of course there is always general merchandise) with other countries. http://forum.thenorthpacific.org/topic/7302970/1/#new
Main purpose is to keep track of our agreements and treaties.

In addition tenohira island, koneko islands, and the nyan-nyan isles are free to serve as fuel stops/ports along the way.
 
Syrixia is impressed with Nasania'a dedication to the GNPTA. We should give the Nasanians an administrative position in the route. I think it'd benefit greatly.
 
Nasania:
Here is an Image of TNP in Google Earth. I believe we can use Google Earth to help determine better trade routes in the future. Thoughts?
I like your ideas but using Google Earth isn't accurate, TNP is not a planet. It is a region, a continent maybe and there'd be many other regions on a planet.
 
I like to imagine it as the IRL world with TNP being just a large archipelago of islands literally residing in the North Pacific.

Still, that google earth thing is BEYOND impressive.
 
Syrixia:
I like to imagine it as the IRL world with TNP being just a large archipelago of islands literally residing in the North Pacific.

Still, that google earth thing is BEYOND impressive.

Cronaal:
I like your ideas but using Google Earth isn't accurate, TNP is not a planet. It is a region, a continent maybe and there'd be many other regions on a planet.

Thanks all for the input. I have asked Nierr(and will later, Alunya) details about the TNP map. Some Alternate History regions use a global map instead of a subsection and I wasn't sure if we did as well. I do know the old TNP from several years ago included the TSP, but I wasn't sure if its 'regional-model' was still valid, considering the re-imagining of the map over the past year.
 
I hear you. After the craziness with Ixelonia, I gave the account to my friend and he now resides in the Confederacy of Allied States. He says they use a world map of IRL Earth, and they divided it up into regions, conglomerates of various countries. These regions keep the borders of the countries on their edges with other regions.
 
Please review this post to see if the information is accurate regarding GNPTA mechanics. Thanks

BTW, should there be a military aspect to GNPTA? Trade routes need security against privateers(govt. sponsored pirates) and the like.
 
1. I'd ask Eumeor if that's correct or just go to Eumenor's GNPTA explanation in the OP.

2: I am in support of your suggestion. Pirates are a bad bunch.
 
I'd like to request a pause to any ships entering Eknorvia, it is highly advised to skip this destination until post-war
 
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