Flemingovia For Vice-Delegate

Flemingovia

Flemingovia

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Right, intro time.

I've been delegate etc etc etc. I am safe from rogue claims.

I am neither a drunk nor mentally unstable, despite claims to the contrary.

Until five minutes ago I had no intention of standing. But now I have a plan.

For me, one of the worst bits of the RA is the fact that anyone who posts an oath, even if they do it with fingers crossed, and even if they have a track record of being a lying, duplicitous betraying little shit, seem to have a right to be accepted. TNP has over the years had some fine people join, but we have also been forced to accept some of the detritus of the NS world.

Here's my plan.

I believe that everyone is a potential security threat. No-one is above suspicion. Therefore, as your VD I will REJECT every RA application. That way every applicant will be voted on by the RA, and may even have to say to us why they should join this august body.

Now, I think that is what should happen anyway. RA membership should be a privilege, not a right. By failing the security check of every applicant I will stay within the system, but make sure the RA gets a say in who joins us.

So ... vote for me - the pro-choice candidate.
 
This is certainly an interesting development and while perhaps a bit over the top, I can certainly see where you're coming from.

The best of luck with your campaign and the election.
 
If the plan is to do this for every applicant, you know I like the idea.

Because we've also had a lot of people who have just disappeared when they were accepted into the RA. I'm less concerned about security breaches, but I hate when people join go inactive, and then we lose them to oblivion.

You will most likely have my support.
 
As your competition, I can't help but instantly think "Oh crap, how the hell can I compete with Flem". That said, I wish you all the best nonetheless, although I can't say I share your platform, a closed border policy may keep out the riff raff so to speak, but may keep out some brilliant minds too.
 
flemingovia:
Right, intro time.

I've been delegate etc etc etc. I am safe from rogue claims.

I am neither a drunk nor mentally unstable, despite claims to the contrary.

Until five minutes ago I had no intention of standing. But now I have a plan.

For me, one of the worst bits of the RA is the fact that anyone who posts an oath, even if they do it with fingers crossed, and even if they have a track record of being a lying, duplicitous betraying little shit, seem to have a right to be accepted. TNP has over the years had some fine people join, but we have also been forced to accept some of the detritus of the NS world.

Here's my plan.

I believe that everyone is a potential security threat. No-one is above suspicion. Therefore, as your VD I will REJECT every RA application. That way every applicant will be voted on by the RA, and may even have to say to us why they should join this august body.

Now, I think that is what should happen anyway. RA membership should be a privilege, not a right. By failing the security check of every applicant I will stay within the system, but make sure the RA gets a say in who joins us.

So ... vote for me - the pro-choice candidate.
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Hmmm...a Meritocracy based upon arbitrary and yet undetermined criteria.

Sounds like a policy of:

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free;
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless,
Tempest-tossed to me
and then let's club them all to death, dump their bodies on the dirty boulevard, and just get it over with!

:headbang:
 
Romanoffia:
Hmmm...a Meritocracy based upon arbitrary and yet undetermined criteria.

Sounds like a policy of:

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free;
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless,
Tempest-tossed to me
and then let's club them all to death, dump their bodies on the dirty boulevard, and just get it over with!

:headbang:
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No. I think the RA is quite sensible, overall, and I would expect 90% of my RA rejections to be overturned by the body as a whole.

What I am proposing is using the system to allow the RA to exercise some judgement on the matter. Which is something I have been arguing for several years now.

Plus .. if you have tried to move to America at any time in the last few decades is pretty akin to current American visa system. Even in America the days of "tired masses" are long gone.
 
Don't you think this would make new citizens less likely to hang around and wait?

When I first applied, TNP almost lost me because of the failure of the Speaker to communicate an issue. I'd hate to think that we would be losing potential leaders by delaying the process further.

Lastly, I am enjoying this Roman v Flem banter.
 
mcmasterdonia:
Don't you think this would make new citizens less likely to hang around and wait?

When I first applied, TNP almost lost me because of the failure of the Speaker to communicate an issue. I'd hate to think that we would be losing potential leaders by delaying the process further.

Lastly, I am enjoying this Roman v Flem banter.
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You may not have noticed, but we are losing them anyway. A surprising number of people apply with their first or second post, get fast tracked into the assembly, then never post again and are removed from membership.

I see this all the time as I do admin tasks.

My suggestion would put a short breather into the process, which would allow us to see those who were genuinely interested in TNP, and perhaps allow us to get to know them better. I would expect some of them to do what MadJack has done and open up a thread to answer any questions the RA has for them - which is good all round for activity.

My mum used to say "people value what they have to work for." At present RA membership is not valued because it is so cheap - and if you go inactive, hey - you can just post the oath again.
 
Democratic Donkeys:
I have a question, the only one that truly matters... What is the Matrix?
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the matrix is that which projects The North Pacific as different realities for different people.

For Grosse, the North Pacific appears as the Kentucky State Legislature.

For McMasterdonia, the North Pacific appears as a billabong, complete with its own koolibah tree. He is a jolly swagman waiting till his billy boil.

SillyString and CoE share a projection of the Matrix. That is why they always think alike and act in unison.

the question is, what is the Matrix to you? Do you think that is air that you are breathing right now?
 
mcmasterdonia:
Lastly, I am enjoying this Roman v Flem banter.
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And you know, this is what I wanted to have happen with the Cheese God/Flem God thing.

That said, if I am elected Delegate, I would absolutely be tickled pink to have Flemingovia as Vice Delegate. Could you imagine such a combination? Oh, the endless possibilities for entertainment would be mind boggling. It would be Disc World meets Dr. Who. People would literally flock to the TNP Forum just to be a part of it and/or watch the fun that would inevitably ensue. The only word that would describe it would be epic.

And, of course, McM, you could lead all the Drop Bear hunts. :P
 
Im thinking real hard about giving an "Official PWL42 seal of endorsement"(TM) to a Romanoffia/ Flemingovia Delegacy. But I fear that would backfire and be a kiss of death and get you unelected fast.
 
You know just in the interests of questioning things you appear to be certain can't be questioned... how do we know you won't be a Rogue Vice Delegate who tries to do dastardly things?
 
Treize_Dreizehn:
You know just in the interests of questioning things you appear to be certain can't be questioned... how do we know you won't be a Rogue Vice Delegate who tries to do dastardly things?
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Apart from blocking ra applications, it is hard to see how a vice delegate can go rogue. And I have been open about my policy on ra applications.

Just to be clear, I want to see tnp change, but I do not believe in using violent means to achieve this. "Rogue" is not part of my game plan, neither is becoming delegate.
 
Why is it ok to abrogate your responsibility as VD and throw every vote to the RA? Isn't it your duty to investigate security threats before denying applications?

Are there other responsibilities you're going to completely ignore?
 
Treize_Dreizehn:
Why is it ok to abrogate your responsibility as VD and throw every vote to the RA? Isn't it your duty to investigate security threats before denying applications?

Are there other responsibilities you're going to completely ignore?
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Why are people still insistent that "security threat" is anything other than a deliberately vague criterion to be able to reject RA applicants that the powers that be do not like?

Is it abrogating his responsibility to follow the letter of the law? Very weird interpretation. Beyond that, there are very few responsibilities for the VD, that is why there is talk of also giving Ministry positions to the VD by the Delegate candidate. Don't inflate the role.
 
Why not try to change or create a law in order to have the RA vote on every citizen application?
 
Treize_Dreizehn:
Why is it ok to abrogate your responsibility as VD and throw every vote to the RA? Isn't it your duty to investigate security threats before denying applications?

Are there other responsibilities you're going to completely ignore?
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Dearie me, such loaded language.

The workload of security checks by the Vice Delegate is not high. It is far less that what I already do, routinely, as an admin.

My position is ideological rather than a matter of laziness. I believe that membership of the RA is a privilege, and that the RA should have some say in who joins their ranks. This is, I believe, a valid viewpoint and one held by many of our members.

the stance I am taking allows, legally, the RA to exercise that say. I am not "throwing" the vote to the RA rather than making a decision myself. I am making the decision to allow the RA to make a decision!

As far as "my duty to investigate security threats", my years of experience in NS has shown me that just about everyone, given the right pressure, trigger or circumstance can be a security threat to the region. So my position is consistent with my, admittedly cynical, viewpoint.
 
Rach:
Why not try to change or create a law in order to have the RA vote on every citizen application?
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There is no need to change the law or create a new one when the current law is perfectly adequate to achieve the end that I am seeking to achieve.
 
flemingovia:
Rach:
Why not try to change or create a law in order to have the RA vote on every citizen application?
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There is no need to change the law or create a new one when the current law is perfectly adequate to achieve the end that I am seeking to achieve.
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The law as currently written allows for no debate time prior to a vote. That alone should be changed. Beyond that, what you're essentially doing is taking one of the few responsibilities the VD has, and one of the few places where they can show a genuine work ethic and pulling a Pontius Pilate. You're not much better than me, at least I'm openly honest about choosing to do nothing.
 
agreed, there probably ought to be a short debate time prior to a vote. It is something I will probably introduce, now you have mentioned it. Although legislation introduced by me tends to be toxic, rather like that introduced by Grosseschnauzer.

Perhaps someone else would like to front it, if I do the drafting?
 
How many times does it need to be repeated?

THE SECURITY CHECK WAS TO ENFORCE PERSONA NON GRATA, NOT TO ACTUALLY PROTECT THE SECURITY OF THE REGION.

There is no work involved in approving applicants, and very little work involved in denying them. The main, ABSOLUTE MAIN, duty of the Vice Delegate is to maintain the second highest endorsement count in the region. Chairing the Security Council is secondary. Stop inflating the role of the Vice Delegate, it is not going to help get you elected. You are toxic. :)

The nations who are rejected certainly have the option to create a thread, as has happened a few times.
 
Stop inflating the role of the Vice Delegate, it is not going to help get you elected. You are toxic.
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Who? Me? :unsure:

For the record, I have no problem in keeping a high endo level, if needed. At one time, before tarting tools when it was all done by hand, I had the highest endo rate in TNP history. I think CAthyy took the record, but there you go.
 
No, Treize Dreizehn. It annoys me greatly when people try to make the position seem more onerous than it actually is. VD might be the least demanding position in the government in terms of mandated responsibilities.
 
Democratic Donkeys:
Treize_Dreizehn:
Why is it ok to abrogate your responsibility as VD and throw every vote to the RA? Isn't it your duty to investigate security threats before denying applications?

Are there other responsibilities you're going to completely ignore?
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Why are people still insistent that "security threat" is anything other than a deliberately vague criterion to be able to reject RA applicants that the powers that be do not like?

Is it abrogating his responsibility to follow the letter of the law? Very weird interpretation. Beyond that, there are very few responsibilities for the VD, that is why there is talk of also giving Ministry positions to the VD by the Delegate candidate. Don't inflate the role.
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Im saving DDs quote here as admission for later use. That "security threat" = "we dont like you cause we're a mean girls club"
 
Im at work. And I cant be bothered. If it means anything Double D. Id like to see you stay VD and be President of the mean girls club. Your personality and snark fits perfectly. Even though your not fond of me. Im secretly a fan of your snark. More or less. When its directed at others and not me. :)

Edit: read the first couple posts from McM on there. There really IS RACISM IN TNP!! YOU GUYS BEING RACIST AGAINST JAL IS THE WHOLE REASON FOR THIS "SECURITY THREAT" MUMBO JUMBO.
 
Oddly enough, TD's 'do nothing' stance is the most palatable of all the "platforms" offered by the current pool of VD candidates. Abstain/RON is a possibility.
 
Guys, much as I appreciate the banter between the two of you, this is my campaign thread and I would be grateful if it could be used as such.
 
An addendum to my campaign.

I am heartened by the votes taking place in the RA at the moment concerning the rejections of RA applications by DD. I think it shows that the RA votes with maturity and common sense, and is fair minded rather than voting on a whim of popularity.

This convinces me all the more that the RA can be trusted to vote on RA applications, and should be able to do so.
 
I still wish you would have accepted punk. All those that were dogging you about being an admin and security. Run for VD in charge of security....then dare em to say something. Like What? Vested intrest in regional security!

But yes this is flems thread

Maybe someday a flem/punk d exeuctive will happen.
 
punk d:
This candidate has my support.

Time to shake things up.
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And yet people still vote for the candidates that offer least change.

I suppose it is a sign that most people are content with the way things are.
 
flemingovia:
punk d:
This candidate has my support.

Time to shake things up.
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And yet people still vote for the candidates that offer least change.

I suppose it is a sign that most people are content with the way things are.
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Of course they do. That is the tradition. The more change that is offered the more things will stay the same, or regress. It's part and parcel of of the Universe.


Question for the candidate.

In trying to bring about changes in the system of TNP to improve the region, do you think "Roman's Rule of Regional Repair" applies:

"If it works, don't fix it. If it doesn't, force it. If it breaks, it needed to be replaced anyway."
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If yes, why? If no, why not?
 
flemingovia:
punk d:
This candidate has my support.

Time to shake things up.
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And yet people still vote for the candidates that offer least change.

I suppose it is a sign that most people are content with the way things are.
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Why do you feel I offer least change?
 
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