I was just pondering the same point (that the Russia-Ukraine issue hasn't even been brought up here).Alexandros Rex:
If I recall my history correctly, the Lend-Lease program helped, quite a bit, in England repelling German efforts to bomb the UK to hell and back again and helped the UK win the Battle of the Atlantic. Many American merchant marines even died providing that aid too.flemingovia:
Yep.flemingovia:
flemingovia:
Gracius Maximus:
“News is something somebody doesn't want printed; all else is advertising." ------- George OrwellPaulWallLibertarian42:
Russia is #25 in military spending per capita.Lord Ravenclaw:
No worries.Lord Ravenclaw:Ah yes, thanks for that clarification GM, it seems I had gotten a few terms mixed up.
Man, Fick infowars.PaulWallLibertarian42:
Perhaps you would have preferred that you learned German instead?flemingovia:
I know that, but it's occasionally fun to torment Flem.Lennart:
Please tone down a certain word in your post as it has been reported to the moderation team.Blue Wolf II:
Yes yes yes, America is the land of theRomanoffia:Perhaps you would have preferred that you learned German instead?flemingovia:
And as for taking your chances with Russia? That has to be one of the most idiotic ideas I have ever heard anyone say, ever.
You know, since everyone hates the US and its money and the blood we've shed saving the world from people like Hitler, Mussolini and a parade of blood thirsty thugs in the Soviet Union, I think the US should just withdraw it's military, political and economic support.
Now imagine what would happen if every nation in Europe suddenly had to defend itself - they would go bust in zero seconds flat because they couldn't afford to defend themselves from the likes of, yes, the Russians who, in fact and in history have had no other goal than the oppression and exploitation of others.
I'll tell you what the real problem with us Yanks is: it's that we are a bunch of altruistic dumbasses who are all too willing to send our soldiers and sailors into someone else's meat-grinder to prop up crumbling monarchies and socialsitic leach-states.
We Americans have failed to understand that the more we give, the more which is demanded of us. And in the process of spending our wealth and blood to this end, we subject ourselves to all manner of insults, abuses and disrespect at the hands of the very people whose asses we saved, not only for our 'altruism' but also for our very virtues which we have stupidly based upon 'altruism'.
One day, when the US realizes that all of its self-inflicted loss, self-inflicted pain and crippling ethics of incomprehensible duty are nothing but a load of crap, then the US (Uncle Sugar) will finally turn off the tap of 'altruistic' foreign aid, economic aid, military aid and all that rat-hole crap. And then the very people who damn the US will suddenly realize how much they needed and depended upon us Yank idiots who are all too willing to bail out those who otherwise would have ended up speaking German or Russian (and that's if they didn't end up in Auschwitz or some Siberian Gulag).
In short terms, I thing you perhaps might be better off taking your chances with Russia than with the US. Why? Because the US have become literally evil due to its acceptance of 'altruism' of self sacrifice as a morality and an ethic. The Russians have no such altruism. The Russians are for Russia and for Putin's bank accounts and the bank accounts of his cronies. The Russians shall show you no such altruism. They will exploit you until you can no longer be exploited and then you will end up like so many other victims of totalitarian regimes when you no long serve the purpose of benefiting the goals of a real imperial state like Russia.
Rhodon:Yes yes yes, America is the land of theRomanoffia:Perhaps you would have preferred that you learned German instead?flemingovia:
And as for taking your chances with Russia? That has to be one of the most idiotic ideas I have ever heard anyone say, ever.
You know, since everyone hates the US and its money and the blood we've shed saving the world from people like Hitler, Mussolini and a parade of blood thirsty thugs in the Soviet Union, I think the US should just withdraw it's military, political and economic support.
Now imagine what would happen if every nation in Europe suddenly had to defend itself - they would go bust in zero seconds flat because they couldn't afford to defend themselves from the likes of, yes, the Russians who, in fact and in history have had no other goal than the oppression and exploitation of others.
I'll tell you what the real problem with us Yanks is: it's that we are a bunch of altruistic dumbasses who are all too willing to send our soldiers and sailors into someone else's meat-grinder to prop up crumbling monarchies and socialsitic leach-states.
We Americans have failed to understand that the more we give, the more which is demanded of us. And in the process of spending our wealth and blood to this end, we subject ourselves to all manner of insults, abuses and disrespect at the hands of the very people whose asses we saved, not only for our 'altruism' but also for our very virtues which we have stupidly based upon 'altruism'.
One day, when the US realizes that all of its self-inflicted loss, self-inflicted pain and crippling ethics of incomprehensible duty are nothing but a load of crap, then the US (Uncle Sugar) will finally turn off the tap of 'altruistic' foreign aid, economic aid, military aid and all that rat-hole crap. And then the very people who damn the US will suddenly realize how much they needed and depended upon us Yank idiots who are all too willing to bail out those who otherwise would have ended up speaking German or Russian (and that's if they didn't end up in Auschwitz or some Siberian Gulag).
In short terms, I thing you perhaps might be better off taking your chances with Russia than with the US. Why? Because the US have become literally evil due to its acceptance of 'altruism' of self sacrifice as a morality and an ethic. The Russians have no such altruism. The Russians are for Russia and for Putin's bank accounts and the bank accounts of his cronies. The Russians shall show you no such altruism. They will exploit you until you can no longer be exploited and then you will end up like so many other victims of totalitarian regimes when you no long serve the purpose of benefiting the goals of a real imperial state like Russia.slavesfree and home of the brave, democratic capital of the world and the last bastion of free thought.
However. Historically speaking Flemingovia has a point, although America likes to think that it acts selflessly for the good cause, it never actually does so. America used the two world wars to remove Britain as the foremost power on the globe, and make us dependent on its military might.
You forget that until the dawn of the 'American century' it was Europe that was the most powerful, the most advanced, the most free.
But don't ever delude yourself into thinking that the US acts altruistically. If there isn't some ulterior benefit for the States, it doesn't get involved. The one thing that is most likely to set a European's teeth on edge is an American shouting about how 'good' America is, or how altruistic. We don't mind you being the foremost power, we really don't. We don't mind having to go along with you guys because you're top dog right now. What we do mind is you trying to pretend to be morally better- just like every other country you act solely in your best interests, which is perfectly fine. But for gods sake stop trying to tell me that its not what you do.
Rhodon:Yes yes yes, America is the land of theRomanoffia:Perhaps you would have preferred that you learned German instead?flemingovia:
And as for taking your chances with Russia? That has to be one of the most idiotic ideas I have ever heard anyone say, ever.
You know, since everyone hates the US and its money and the blood we've shed saving the world from people like Hitler, Mussolini and a parade of blood thirsty thugs in the Soviet Union, I think the US should just withdraw it's military, political and economic support.
Now imagine what would happen if every nation in Europe suddenly had to defend itself - they would go bust in zero seconds flat because they couldn't afford to defend themselves from the likes of, yes, the Russians who, in fact and in history have had no other goal than the oppression and exploitation of others.
I'll tell you what the real problem with us Yanks is: it's that we are a bunch of altruistic dumbasses who are all too willing to send our soldiers and sailors into someone else's meat-grinder to prop up crumbling monarchies and socialsitic leach-states.
We Americans have failed to understand that the more we give, the more which is demanded of us. And in the process of spending our wealth and blood to this end, we subject ourselves to all manner of insults, abuses and disrespect at the hands of the very people whose asses we saved, not only for our 'altruism' but also for our very virtues which we have stupidly based upon 'altruism'.
One day, when the US realizes that all of its self-inflicted loss, self-inflicted pain and crippling ethics of incomprehensible duty are nothing but a load of crap, then the US (Uncle Sugar) will finally turn off the tap of 'altruistic' foreign aid, economic aid, military aid and all that rat-hole crap. And then the very people who damn the US will suddenly realize how much they needed and depended upon us Yank idiots who are all too willing to bail out those who otherwise would have ended up speaking German or Russian (and that's if they didn't end up in Auschwitz or some Siberian Gulag).
In short terms, I thing you perhaps might be better off taking your chances with Russia than with the US. Why? Because the US have become literally evil due to its acceptance of 'altruism' of self sacrifice as a morality and an ethic. The Russians have no such altruism. The Russians are for Russia and for Putin's bank accounts and the bank accounts of his cronies. The Russians shall show you no such altruism. They will exploit you until you can no longer be exploited and then you will end up like so many other victims of totalitarian regimes when you no long serve the purpose of benefiting the goals of a real imperial state like Russia.slavesfree and home of the brave, democratic capital of the world and the last bastion of free thought.
However. Historically speaking Flemingovia has a point, although America likes to think that it acts selflessly for the good cause, it never actually does so. America used the two world wars to remove Britain as the foremost power on the globe, and make us dependent on its military might.
You forget that until the dawn of the 'American century' it was Europe that was the most powerful, the most advanced, the most free.
But don't ever delude yourself into thinking that the US acts altruistically. If there isn't some ulterior benefit for the States, it doesn't get involved. The one thing that is most likely to set a European's teeth on edge is an American shouting about how 'good' America is, or how altruistic. We don't mind you being the foremost power, we really don't. We don't mind having to go along with you guys because you're top dog right now. What we do mind is you trying to pretend to be morally better- just like every other country you act solely in your best interests, which is perfectly fine. But for gods sake stop trying to tell me that its not what you do.
Rhodon:Yes yes yes, America is the land of theRomanoffia:Perhaps you would have preferred that you learned German instead?flemingovia:
And as for taking your chances with Russia? That has to be one of the most idiotic ideas I have ever heard anyone say, ever.
You know, since everyone hates the US and its money and the blood we've shed saving the world from people like Hitler, Mussolini and a parade of blood thirsty thugs in the Soviet Union, I think the US should just withdraw it's military, political and economic support.
Now imagine what would happen if every nation in Europe suddenly had to defend itself - they would go bust in zero seconds flat because they couldn't afford to defend themselves from the likes of, yes, the Russians who, in fact and in history have had no other goal than the oppression and exploitation of others.
I'll tell you what the real problem with us Yanks is: it's that we are a bunch of altruistic dumbasses who are all too willing to send our soldiers and sailors into someone else's meat-grinder to prop up crumbling monarchies and socialsitic leach-states.
We Americans have failed to understand that the more we give, the more which is demanded of us. And in the process of spending our wealth and blood to this end, we subject ourselves to all manner of insults, abuses and disrespect at the hands of the very people whose asses we saved, not only for our 'altruism' but also for our very virtues which we have stupidly based upon 'altruism'.
One day, when the US realizes that all of its self-inflicted loss, self-inflicted pain and crippling ethics of incomprehensible duty are nothing but a load of crap, then the US (Uncle Sugar) will finally turn off the tap of 'altruistic' foreign aid, economic aid, military aid and all that rat-hole crap. And then the very people who damn the US will suddenly realize how much they needed and depended upon us Yank idiots who are all too willing to bail out those who otherwise would have ended up speaking German or Russian (and that's if they didn't end up in Auschwitz or some Siberian Gulag).
In short terms, I thing you perhaps might be better off taking your chances with Russia than with the US. Why? Because the US have become literally evil due to its acceptance of 'altruism' of self sacrifice as a morality and an ethic. The Russians have no such altruism. The Russians are for Russia and for Putin's bank accounts and the bank accounts of his cronies. The Russians shall show you no such altruism. They will exploit you until you can no longer be exploited and then you will end up like so many other victims of totalitarian regimes when you no long serve the purpose of benefiting the goals of a real imperial state like Russia.slavesfree and home of the brave, democratic capital of the world and the last bastion of free thought.
However. Historically speaking Flemingovia has a point, although America likes to think that it acts selflessly for the good cause, it never actually does so. America used the two world wars to remove Britain as the foremost power on the globe, and make us dependent on its military might.
You forget that until the dawn of the 'American century' it was Europe that was the most powerful, the most advanced, the most free.
But don't ever delude yourself into thinking that the US acts altruistically. If there isn't some ulterior benefit for the States, it doesn't get involved. The one thing that is most likely to set a European's teeth on edge is an American shouting about how 'good' America is, or how altruistic. We don't mind you being the foremost power, we really don't. We don't mind having to go along with you guys because you're top dog right now. What we do mind is you trying to pretend to be morally better- just like every other country you act solely in your best interests, which is perfectly fine. But for gods sake stop trying to tell me that its not what you do.
