PNN: Turmoil in The South Pacific, Bel Calls "Coup"!

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Controversy in The South Pacific, Bel Calls "Coup"
Tensions Regarding Forum Administration Hit a Breaking Point


Fri, Mar 21 2014 || Pacific News Network

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Tsu, Southern Bellz, and HEM look on in resignation while discussing what to do next.
The South Pacific — Following Root Administrator Hileville's decision tonight to remove Southern Bellz, HEM, Tsunamy, and Rebel-topia tonight, several citizens, including the removed admins, have fervidly disagreed with the shakeup and called for action against Hile.

This is the third controversial instance of an admin being removed, with Todd McCloud and Belschaft being the two previous subjects of administrative switches. Belschaft, a current Committee for State Security member and, as mentioned, an administrator until two weeks ago, has notably distributed a telegram to the nations of TSP referring to Hile's actions as a "coup" (read it at the bottom of the page). Alongside these claims, Minister of the Army Southern Bellz call Hileville a "coward", assemblyman Cormac Stark is advocating for abandoning the current forum altogether, and other administrators are condemning Hile for being a dictatorial, even "rogue", root administrator.

Meanwhile, Delegate Escade applauds the move, saying that she supports the replacement administrators, Kringalia and Glen-Rhodes, and so does assemblyman Unibot. Their statements mostly appreciate the fact that Hile removed the old administrator for what he alleged to be "inactivity" and, in the case of Southern Bellz, the lack of "real desire to complete the basic tasks of an admin". Impartial responses to this claim about SB have thus far found it to be true, and SB has known to be less active as an administrator ever since the change from Zetaboards to independent hosting. HEM has been removed as an administrator due to inactivity on two occasions, and, in contrast to this instance, his first removal was accepted without disagreement from the community.

Kris and GR were chosen as the duo's replacement because they are active and respected in TSP, and because they expressed interest in serving as administrators. Hile acknowledges the unfair workload he has comparative to other administrators as a reason for the shakeup and says that he hopes the replacements will help him maintain the forum that he has tried to make the "most rewarding forum experience" in the GCRs. Throughout the years, his efforts to improve TSP's forum have been widely applauded, his dedication has been praised, and his leading presence in TSP has earned him a mix of both respect for his loyalty and contributions and dissent for being one of the controlling senior figures in the vocally democratic GCR.

With that said, a key aspect of the criticisms towards Hile are derived from the recent removal of Belschaft from the administrative team, which may have been a trigger for the eruption of tensions. According to Belschaft, all of the administrators who were stripped of their access tonight opposed his demotion, and hence he questions whether or not Hile had an ulterior political motive. Belschaft also accuses Hileville of issuing a fiat prohibiting administrators from further discussing his demotion with anyone, including Bel himself, and that they were not allowed to vote on the matter. Evidence below supports the claim that a gag order was in fact issued. He suggests that the administrators were removed for not complying with this expectation.

Link: Belschaft's submitted evidence of Hileville's gag order.

Otherwise, the primary points of dispute are whether or not Hile is entitled to remove the administrators without a vote and whether or not that action is justified. Historically, the TSP Administration Team has voted on membership additions and expulsions, albeit votes amongst administrators became less frequent at around the time when Hileville, Milograd, Belschaft, and Southern Bellz served as staff on the zetaboards board forum that were created due to invision server woes. This, however, was done mostly due to agreement that rendered voting superfluous and due to a lack of votes to be had, rather than due to an intentional abandonment of the old system. Hile cites the loss of Milograd from the administrative team as an event that gave him significantly more administrative tasks to perform and hence started the cycling of new administrators; in the aftermath of the SPSR, more administrative switches -- including the loss of mainstay Fudgetopia -- have occurred than at any other time in the region's long history. The practice of letting the root administrator handle staffing changes, rather than the team as a whole, appears to have started during this time.

In his announcement, Hile prefaces with, "On the 12 of February I informed the admin team via a thread in our private discussion area that a possible shakeup was going to happen," before revealing the post, shown below. It is immediately clear from its texts that the voting system of old is not being used to determine whether or not "changes may be made". He adds that none of his fellow administrators responded to his post. Later in his announcement, he also invests a lot of emphasis on the extent of his dedication to the forum's maintenance and his strong disinterest in being an administrative "dictator". Regardless of knowing about the possibility of strong backlash, his statement indicates that he is willing to take that consequence, for better or worse.

I have made it known to several people that I am looking into a shakeup on the admin team which would result in fewer admins being more active on admin tasks. I wanted to have this thread which will serve as a heads up that changes may be made in the near future. I will be contacting a few of you to work on new moderation policies which will change the way we moderate the forums. Ultimately, I believe a change in culture is needed and am looking at ways to make that happen.

Southern Bellz and HEM condemn the removals in their immediate responses to the announcement itself. They both cite a lack of communication between the administrative team as a problem and insult Hile's capabilities as a manager; however, perhaps more notably, Southern Bellz offers evidence to suggest that some administrators were not as inactive as Hile has alleged. He offers onlookers this recent message that was exchanged between Tsunamy, who happens to be the old root administrator of TSP, to Hile in an administrative conference chat:

And Hile -- if we need something done, that's not getting done -- let us know. Or at least let me know. I'm more than willing to help out, but I've just been bouncing in and out as of late.

Both sides in the dispute claim to have a justification for the controversial actions they have performed in causing or responding to this incident. All three are amongst the most influential players in the South, as Hileville, Belschaft, and Southern Bellz are the only players in TSP's post-Devonitians history that hold the distinction of being former delegates who are still citizens. This conflict between them, being the first ever public one of such a scale, will almost certainly impact the course of both TSP's history and internal stability, unless cooler heads quickly prevail.

The nations of The South Pacific will awake tomorrow and will receive Belschaft's advisory about coup d'état to the region, and their responses to the event may serve as a contributing factor to the escalation of both the event's severity and the in-game region's confusion. His message encouraged nations to speak out against the "coup" on the RMB, and the day will tell whether or not they do so.

PNN sends its regards to the nations of The South Pacific and will follow this story as it develops.



The Grumpy Old Fart of South Pacific Belschaft ? region: the South Pacific

Morning folks,

This morning a coup occurred in our region, though you probably won't have realized it. The root admin of our offsite forums - where we base our government - has gone rogue, and removed every other active member of the admin team without consultation, prior notice, or anything even approaching consent. He did this having failed to get his own way in an internal admin matter, when a previous action he had taken was objected to by the rest of the admin team. He is currently in the process of drafting new admins, who he presumably expects to do as he tells them.

Right now the region is in a certain amount of chaos; there is no physical way for us to remove the root admin. In practical terms he controls our forums. But he does not control this region. This region is a community. What is more, it is a democracy. Decisions are made collectively, not unilaterally. And no one individual can force their will on the region. At least, not yet.

As we speak our root admin - Hileville - is moving to increase his control of the forums, and by extension this region. Our present government has yet to respond. How they do respond will largely be shaped by the reaction of you, the people who make up TSP. The question is simple; are you willing to live in a dictatorship? For that is the logical conclusion we are faced with, unless Hileville is forced to back down by the region. Only you can do that.

If you want TSP to remain a free, democratic region, then speak out on the RMB and our forums. Let Hileville know that he does not own this region, as he clearly thinks he does.

Yours,
South Pacific Belschaft
Former Delegate
Member of the Committee for State Security

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An offsite forum is the property of the root administrator, used by a regional community. It is a symbiotic relationship: if the admin gets too uppity, the community moves away and the forum dies.

To describe an admin as "rogue" and their actions as a "coup" is hyperbole. If TSP do not like what is done, let them move. If they are content, let them stay.
 
flemingovia:
An offsite forum is the property of the root administrator, used by a regional community. It is a symbiotic relationship: if the admin gets too uppity, the community moves away and the forum dies.

To describe an admin as "rogue" and their actions as a "coup" is hyperbole. If TSP do not like what is done, let them move. If they are content, let them stay.
This is true.

But such hyperbole is useful to those that are advocating such a move. I know I found it useful when I got this community moved to my boards. ;)
 
Democratic Donkeys:
Let me just throw in my mostly uninformed impression: Sounds like a bunch of whining by the people who were demoted.
:agree:

I'm not going to go around to every forum this was posted in but I suggest that if you want to know what is happening you read the thread on TSP's boards. It is completely public.
 
You may pay for the forums, but you don't own them!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

And this pretty much says it all:

Admin activities:
Hileville - 3046 actions taken
Belschaft - 235 actions taken
Carta - 85 actions taken
Eluvatar - 56 actions taken
tsunamy - 40 actions taken (tsu is also being returned to admin status)
rebeltopia - 31 actions taken
Southern Bellz - 28 actions taken
HEM - 20 actions taken
Drugged Monkeys - 12 actions taken (DM has been very active on our test forum learning the forum software and how to do more technical level things)
Tsrill - 2 actiosn taken
Todd - 2 actions taken
raw - 1 action taken (wrote the throwback theme which was paid for)
Fudgie - 1 action taken
 
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Breaking News: Escade Requests Belschaft's Removal from TSP CSS Amidst Hileville ADMIN Debate
Do the Allegations Hold Up? — "Character Assassination", "Political Maneuvering", and "Unethical Administrative Abuse"


Sun, Mar 23 2014 || Pacific News Network

The South Pacific — In response to Belschaft's region-wide announcement about a "coup" by Hileville in The South Pacific, and in response to what she has called a "character assassination" against Hileville, Delegate Escade has intensified her condemnation of Belschaft's condemnation of Hileville's administrative actions by proposing the removal of Belschaft from the Commitee for State Security, the group of endorsee and security officials in TSP.

In her statement, she cites that acts of "administrative" abuse towards her, particularly in the form of telling her that "Big Brother [was watching her]", and states that it is her opinion that Belschaft's outrage is largely inspired by a desire for political gain.

That statement, titled "Unethical Behavior and the Abuse of CSS Membership", may be found in this link. PNN speculates that Escade's allegations regarding administrative abuse will not hold much weight with the CSS — unfortunately, many other players have been cautious and watchful of her after she was alleged of being an Empire plant — by Belschaft come to light in wake of this or the group currently in agreement with Belschaft have a change of heart or get defensive.

Notwithstanding that claim's consequences, Belschaft's ostensibly secure CSS membership may, in fact, have been put into jeopardy by his telegram. He signed it as a CSS member, which Escade argues as being an act that feigns the CSS' support of it, and she is of the opinion that the message's hyperbolic rhetoric and strong calls for action caused considerable disturbance in the region that other members had to quickly jump at to calm. The RMB was covered in almost ten page's worth of comments of both concern in the aftermath of the telegram's distribution. This large response elevated to the point where it became necessary for Escade alter the region's world factbook entry to clarify what had happened.

Meanwhile, talks between those supporting Hileville and those opposing his continued board administration have hit a stalemate, as Hileville refuses to continue to work with the removed parties. He is no longer interested in hosting the community's website or paying for it, and is hoping to give the database to a new owner as soon as possible. The board is currently expected and planned to be transferred to Tsunamy's control unless developments are made either at the originally set deadline — tomorrow — or a proposed one that would occur in a week's time. Hileville has also designated Tsunamy as a SOP of #The_South_Pacific on irc.esper.net.

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As a citizen of TSP...I'm really troubled that I learn of this here and can't even see the post referenced in the article on the TSP boards.
 
punk d:
As a citizen of TSP...I'm really troubled that I learn of this here and can't even see the post referenced in the article on the TSP boards.
Escade posted the thread in question in the wrong forum. It was meant to be a private CSS discussion thread which is why it was moved. Milo saw the thread before it was moved.
 
The reaction to Todd's removal was the biggest load of BS. Especially when you look at how many admin tasks were performed by him :eyeroll:

Belschafts recent actions remind me of actions that were taken early last year by Pasargad. He posted on the RMB a couple of times and accused a nation of being a threat to regional security and signed it on behalf of the Security Council. His actions seem relatively minor to what Belschaft did, but he was ultimately recalled from his position...

I hope this will be resolved and that the level of drama will calm down.
 
Hileville:
punk d:
As a citizen of TSP...I'm really troubled that I learn of this here and can't even see the post referenced in the article on the TSP boards.
Escade posted the thread in question in the wrong forum. It was meant to be a private CSS discussion thread which is why it was moved. Milo saw the thread before it was moved.
These reporters are fast.
 
Also I was looking at our admin history for TNP forum. The Administrators here really do pull their weight by comparison to what it looks likes was happening in the South Pacific.
 
mcmasterdonia:
Also I was looking at our admin history for TNP forum. The Administrators here really do pull their weight by comparison to what it looks likes was happening in the South Pacific.
I'm biased, but I think TNP admins are very, very strong. Given how politically different many TNP admins are, that's strange. But most TNP admins lived through the Twoslit experience almost a decade ago and I doubt any of us ever want to be associated with something similar.
 
I also think the adminship model that TNP has is pretty much the gold standard.

TNP also has a very well developed and used court system -- people might claim its even overdeveloped. The problem with TSP is it outsourced its justice system to the admins and made it a pretty privileged position with a lot of trust and not a lot policy involved -- the outcome? Bloated membership - with a boatload of politicians who want it for status and some privileges involved.

Imagine if TNP had a court - and you had to be appointed on it by other court members. You got that job for life. You had access to all of the cabinet's subforums and people's PMs and there was no review process to ensure you needed to be active in this job.

That's what TSP's admin staff became and the fact it had so many freeloaders vying to get on it and so few people willing to criticize the administration (and void their chances of becoming an administrator) is a direct consequence.
 
This shows the strength of the TNP policy of refusing to allow the administration of the forum to be politicised, or a government role.

This all arose, if I remember correctly, when Cathyy was delegate and pretty much demanded to be made an admin. The thought of what that might have done made us determined that forum admin would be separate from in-game play.

All that was needed then was to find admins who could maintain a professional wall between our politics and our in-game duties - which I think we do most of the time.

The admin team do not always agree or even get on. But we keep that out of the admin role.
 
punk d:
Hileville:
punk d:
As a citizen of TSP...I'm really troubled that I learn of this here and can't even see the post referenced in the article on the TSP boards.
Escade posted the thread in question in the wrong forum. It was meant to be a private CSS discussion thread which is why it was moved. Milo saw the thread before it was moved.
These reporters are fast.
I think the thread was public for a while before Kris and Escade noticed. Milo just happened to be on the forums during that time (avoiding a forum ban :P).
 
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