AT VOTE: Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act" [Complete] [Complete]

[Eluvatar]

Category: Repeal
Resolution: GA#56
Proposed by: Sciongrad

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #56: Numismatics Appreciation Act (Category: Education and Creativity; Area of Effect: Cultural Heritage) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: The General Assembly,

COMMENDING the intentions of General Assembly Resolution #56, insofar as it aims to preserve the monetary culture of member nations;

DISPUTING, however, that the currency of a nation is a "monumental part of [its] history," as well as the notion that "cultural heritage and tradition can be preserved through the safeguarding of each nation’s currency;"

ASSERTING that the amount of resources alloted to preserving one miniscule aspect of a nation's history, as provided in GAR#56, is superfluous;

ACKNOWLEDGING that GAR#56 states, in relevant part:

4. Obligates each World Assembly member nation to regulate the buying and selling of coins and banknotes;

REGRETTING that clause four contravenes the intended purpose of the resolution by creating an opt-out for unwilling nations due to a lack of mandatory regulations, aside from the requirement that "World Assembly member nations [regulate] the buying and selling of coins and banknotes," to any degree in which they find acceptable;

CONSIDERING it to be unnecessary for the World Assembly to regulate the trade of currency, as standard market price determination is more effective than an international grading system established by WANA;

CLARIFIES that nations may still create establishments dedicated to the preservation of their currencies, notwithstanding the passage of the repeal;

FURTHER CLARIFIES that General Assembly Resolution #56 does not prevent one-world currencies, nor does it involve itself in economic mediums of exchange, aside from items that are collected privately for cultural or personal reasons;

Hereby,

REPEALS General Assembly Resolution #56, "Numismatics Appreciation Act."

 

[Eluvatar]

Approvals: 48 (Alcatrazin, Aeronos, Rockanisha, Cuba Socialista, Chokharen, Mikeswill, Flibbleites, Mousebumples, Gatchina, Vanhania, Amped designers, Spacebullah, Awesome Equestria, Calimera, Keronika, Zeorus, Seamen Land, Kimberly Possible, NewTexas, King Rankmore, North Mack, New Wiendonia, United Nejd and Hejaz, Davud Monshizadeh, Democatia, The Aztec Allience, Alegasias, Kingdom of Pernambuco, The Realm of God, Polanielska, Bergnovinaia, Gitchie Manito, Dangertk, Brasir, Wu Wei Shan, East Klent, Wyvern-Haron, Meroplis, Lyanna Stark, Filadelfia, Great Kingdom of Calomo, Battlion, Kim Jong-Ilia, The Chickpea Islands, Gwrrrrr, Isle of Thamesland, Kleinekatzen, Trektopolis)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 20 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 1 day 23 hours

 

[mcmasterdonia]

Aye.

 

[Kiwi]

Aye.

 

[Eluvatar]

Zemnaya Svoboda's vote for "Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act"" has been noted.

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Approvals: 52 (Alcatrazin, Aeronos, Rockanisha, Cuba Socialista, Chokharen, Mikeswill, Flibbleites, Mousebumples, Gatchina, Vanhania, Amped designers, Awesome Equestria, Calimera, Keronika, Zeorus, Seamen Land, Kimberly Possible, NewTexas, King Rankmore, North Mack, New Wiendonia, United Nejd and Hejaz, Davud Monshizadeh, Democatia, The Aztec Allience, Alegasias, Kingdom of Pernambuco, The Realm of God, Polanielska, Bergnovinaia, Gitchie Manito, Dangertk, Brasir, Wu Wei Shan, East Klent, Wyvern-Haron, Meroplis, Lyanna Stark, Filadelfia, Great Kingdom of Calomo, Battlion, Kim Jong-Ilia, The Chickpea Islands, Gwrrrrr, Isle of Thamesland, Kleinekatzen, Trektopolis, Dagnia, Port Merforian, Warkus, Oneracon, Zemnaya Svoboda)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 16 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 1 day 17 hours

 

[punk d]

If it's a WA repeal, I'm for it.

 

[Cove]

For.

 

[Eluvatar]

Looks like it's going to make it...

Approvals: 62 (Alcatrazin, Aeronos, Rockanisha, Cuba Socialista, Chokharen, Mikeswill, Flibbleites, Mousebumples, Gatchina, Vanhania, Amped designers, Awesome Equestria, Calimera, Keronika, Zeorus, Seamen Land, Kimberly Possible, NewTexas, King Rankmore, North Mack, New Wiendonia, United Nejd and Hejaz, Davud Monshizadeh, Democatia, The Aztec Allience, Alegasias, Kingdom of Pernambuco, The Realm of God, Polanielska, Bergnovinaia, Gitchie Manito, Dangertk, Brasir, Wu Wei Shan, East Klent, Wyvern-Haron, Meroplis, Lyanna Stark, Filadelfia, Great Kingdom of Calomo, Battlion, Kim Jong-Ilia, The Chickpea Islands, Gwrrrrr, Isle of Thamesland, Kleinekatzen, Trektopolis, Dagnia, Port Merforian, Warkus, Oneracon, Zemnaya Svoboda, Skyrim Diplomacy, Eternal Peace and Hate, Ossitania, H3llistan, Yello103, Cosgravia, Summermusic222, The Empire of the Fascist Republic, Tropicville, Free Peoples Cheese)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 6 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 1 day 11 hours

 

[Tyler Kazakov]

Hmm I can vote here....right?

 

[Eluvatar]

Yes

 

[unibot]

This is an informational review of the GA Resolution-At-Vote, "Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act"" published by The North Pacific's Ministry of World Assembly Affairs for your convenience and consideration.

"Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act"" makes three basic arguments: (i) A country's currency is not historically significant and the public collection of currencies is unnecessary and a trivial endeavor; (ii) the laxity of the obligation for regulation allows for the resolution to circumvented, (iii) market prices for coins and banknotes are better determined without grading.

Historically, "Numismatics Appreciation Act" has always been regarded as a 'light' resolution among WA authors -- there is no doubt that the seriousness of a resolution that creates museums for coins and banknotes is not equal to a resolution that is responding to human rights violations. But, one would think that the light, bi-partisan nature of the resolution would be a redeeming quality of the resolution, but instead it has always fascinated authors about repealing it on the grounds that its subject matter is not pressing enough. In "Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act"", The Ministry notes that the argument is made that coin collection is not an important initiative for historical preservation. It is easy to dismiss coin collecting as a trivial pursuit -- but on the other hand, some great historical discoveries in economic and political history and culture regarding ancient civilizations (e.g., Greek, Roman, Persian, Byzantine, Ancient Chinese) have been found through ancient coins. Eventually all civilizations, including our own will be ancient civilizations.

Curiously, "Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act"" tries to argue that because Clause Four is relatively lax in its stipulations that member-nations can totally circumvent the resolution. This seems like a suspicious argument since total control over the regulation of the buying and selling of coins and banknotes would not disallow the previous obligations of the World Assembly Numismatics Authority (WANA) to establish coin museums and inform the public. At *most* Clause Four allows a member-nation to circumvent the World Assembly Numismatics Authority's valuation of coins and banknotes but that situation would also invalidate the final argument that is made by "Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act"" and would not invalidate even a majority of the resolution's clauses. All of this speculation is, of course, dependent on the inclusion of coin and banknote valuation under the header of "buying and selling coins and banknotes", which is the purview of member-states' mandate in Clause Four.

Lastly, "Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act"" suggests that markets can effectively evaluate coins and banknotes without grading -- but this is generally not the case; grading is much more effective, since its relatively consistent and done by professionals in coin grading. In real life, authenticity and condition of coins is determined by independent numismatic guaranty services that assess coin quality on a grading system such as the Sheldon coin grading scale. "Numismatics Appreciation Act" promotes that its international grading system shall clarify "the condition of a coin or banknote and therefore establish a market price for them". The Ministry believes that "Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act" is mistaken in arguing that the clause suggests that the grading system will be the sole determination of market price; "therefore" can easily be taken as being less absolute, since the condition of a coin and banknote is very important in the determination of a market price.

The North Pacific has always been fairly critical of repeals and the Ministry believes the weakness of this repeal stems from grabbing at straws for reasons to repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act".

The Ministry of World Assembly Affairs has (1) thus recommended that the delegate vote "AGAINST" Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act", and (2) calls upon all member-states in The North Pacific (that's you!) to carefully consider the viewpoints expressed in this informational statement. Thank you.

Yours,
Unibot
Minister of World Assembly Affairs in The North Pacific.

 

[Tyler Kazakov]

FOR. Xd

 

[Camwood]

Against

 

[Scandigrad]

Aye

 

[Oriole Electronics]

Against.

 

[Earth]

Against.

 

[Minraya]

Against

 

[Eluvatar]

Lodged initial vote of FOR.

 

[Georgiana]

against

 

[Funkadelia]

For.

 

[Eluvatar]

Spoiler: Information For Voters

Hello @@NAME@@,
In order to further the World Assembly's mission and better represent what The North Pacific's World Assembly nations intend, I have as Delegate established an "Information For Voters" program. I have established a Ministry of WA Affairs to support this endeavor.

Current Resolution at Vote:
Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act" ( http://www.nationstates.net/page=ga )
http://forum.thenorthpacific.org/topic/6941196

Summary:
This resolution would repeal the GA resolution "Numismatics Appreciation Act". Its stipulations would no longer be in force and its effects would be undone in all member nations.

Ministry of WA Affairs Review
by Minister Unibot II

Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act" makes three basic arguments: (i) A country's currency is not historically significant and the public collection of currencies is unnecessary and a trivial endeavor; (ii) the laxity of the obligation for regulation allows for the resolution to circumvented, (iii) market prices for coins and banknotes are better determined without grading.

Historically, "Numismatics Appreciation Act" has always been regarded as a 'light' resolution among WA authors -- there is no doubt that the seriousness of a resolution that creates museums for coins and banknotes is not equal to a resolution that is responding to human rights violations. But, one would think that the light, bi-partisan nature of the resolution would be a redeeming quality of the resolution, but instead it has always fascinated authors about repealing it on the grounds that its subject matter is not pressing enough. In "Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act"", The Ministry notes that the argument is made that coin collection is not an important initiative for historical preservation. It is easy to dismiss coin collecting as a trivial pursuit -- but on the other hand, some great historical discoveries in economic and political history and culture regarding ancient civilizations (e.g., Greek, Roman, Persian, Byzantine, Ancient Chinese) have been found through ancient coins. Eventually all civilizations, including our own will be ancient civilizations.

Curiously, "Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act"" tries to argue that because Clause Four is relatively lax in its stipulations that member-nations can totally circumvent the resolution. This seems like a suspicious argument since total control over the regulation of the buying and selling of coins and banknotes would not disallow the previous obligations of the World Assembly Numismatics Authority (WANA) to establish coin museums and inform the public. At *most* Clause Four allows a member-nation to circumvent the World Assembly Numismatics Authority's valuation of coins and banknotes but that situation would also invalidate the final argument that is made by "Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act"" and would not invalidate even a majority of the resolution's clauses. All of this speculation is, of course, dependent on the inclusion of coin and banknote valuation under the header of "buying and selling coins and banknotes", which is the purview of member-states' mandate in Clause Four.

Lastly, "Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act"" suggests that markets can effectively evaluate coins and banknotes without grading -- but this is generally not the case; grading is much more effective, since its relatively consistent and done by professionals in coin grading. In real life, authenticity and condition of coins is determined by independent numismatic guaranty services that assess coin quality on a grading system such as the Sheldon coin grading scale. "Numismatics Appreciation Act" promotes that its international grading system shall clarify "the condition of a coin or banknote and therefore establish a market price for them". The Ministry believes that "Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act" is mistaken in arguing that the clause suggests that the grading system will be the sole determination of market price; "therefore" can easily be taken as being less absolute, since the condition of a coin and banknote is very important in the determination of a market price.

The North Pacific has always been fairly critical of repeals and the Ministry believes the weakness of this repeal stems from grabbing at straws for reasons to repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act".

The Ministry of World Assembly Affairs has (1) thus recommended that the delegate vote "AGAINST" Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act", and (2) calls upon all member-states in The North Pacific (that's you!) to carefully consider the viewpoints expressed in this informational statement. Thank you.

Delegate's Note

As I compose this message, 7 have voted for and 6 against the resolution on our forum so I have lodged an initial vote in favor of this repeal despite the Minister's recommendation. However, I govern my vote by how the regional members vote on the forum or by telegramming me, so you can easily change it.
Forum topic: http://forum.thenorthpacific.org/topic/6941196

If anything about this is confusing or annoying, please be unafraid to ask questions or request that I exempt your nation from receiving Information For Voters messages.

Thank you for reading,
Your Delegate,
~Eluvatar

 

[Hileville]

Against

 

[The Archer]

For

 

[Gladio]

Aye

 

[Eluvatar]

9 aye (mcmasterdonia, KiwiTaicho, punk d, Finn, Tyler, Scandigrad, Funkadelia, The Archer, Gladio); 7 against (unibot, Camwood, Oriole Electronics, Earth, Zaolat, Prince Windsor, Hileville), 0 abstain

Still voting in favor.

 

[Flemingovia]

The accumilation of wealth anywhere other than in the Temple coffers is frowned upon. Therefore Flemingovia is against this motion.

 

[Grosseschnauzer]

against

 

[Blackshear]

I am against this resolution.

 

[Eluvatar]

9 aye (mcmasterdonia, KiwiTaicho, punk d, Finn, Tyler, Scandigrad, Funkadelia, The Archer, Gladio); 10 against (unibot, Camwood, Oriole Electronics, Earth, Zaolat, Prince Windsor, Hileville, flemingovia, Grosseschnauzer, Blackshear), 0 abstain


Zemnaya Svoboda's vote against "Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act"" has been noted.

 

[Cormac]

For.

 

[Eluvatar]

10 aye (mcmasterdonia, KiwiTaicho, punk d, Finn, Tyler, Scandigrad, Funkadelia, The Archer, Gladio, Cormac Stark); 10 against (unibot, Camwood, Oriole Electronics, Earth, Zaolat, Prince Windsor, Hileville, flemingovia, Grosseschnauzer, Blackshear), 0 abstain


Zemnaya Svoboda's vote for "Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act"" has been noted.

 

[Chasmanthe]

I'm not voting but is it abundantly clear that "against" means voting against repealling GAR#56, and "for" does not mean they are for GAR#56?

 

[Minraya]

Oops, disregard.

 

[Eluvatar]

I'm not voting but is it abundantly clear that "against" means voting against repealling GAR#56, and "for" does not mean they are for GAR#56?

That's correct.

 

[unibot]

10 aye (mcmasterdonia, KiwiTaicho, punk d, Finn, Tyler, Scandigrad, Funkadelia, The Archer, Gladio, Cormac Stark); 10 against (unibot, Camwood, Oriole Electronics, Earth, Zaolat, Prince Windsor, Hileville, flemingovia, Grosseschnauzer, Blackshear), 0 abstain


Zemnaya Svoboda's vote for "Repeal "Numismatics Appreciation Act"" has been noted.

Why is "For" being given the benefit of the doubt? Should we not abstain. >_>

This is a rather tight forum scrummage, perhaps a conservative "abstain" would be appropriate.

 

[Eluvatar]

Usually I abstain on ties but this resolution was proposed by a resident of International Democratic Union.

 

[Cormac]

Usually I abstain on ties but this resolution was proposed by a resident of International Democratic Union.

I voted for the repeal, but I agree with Unibot that in the case of a tie there should be an abstention. I realize that International Democratic Union is an ally of TNP and that this resolution was proposed by a resident there, but they can't possibly expect TNP to vote for this resolution based on an alliance that has nothing to do with the General Assembly. It might be different if this was something in the Security Council targeting their region or an enemy of their region but it isn't.

Just my two cents.

Nevermind. I see that they can expect us to vote for a GA resolution authored by one of their resolutions. That is, frankly, ridiculous, but obviously you're doing the right thing as Delegate voting for it.

 

[Eluvatar]

The treaty, for reference.

 

[King Sáor]

Against.

 

[King Sáor]

Against.