Gryphonic Revival

Thyatira

TNPer
I will be reopening the Order if there is enough interest. If you were an active member and would like to rejoin please say so here. If you were not a Gryphon in the past but have an interest, please also voice that here.
 
Certainly, I remain interesting tin continuing my service to the Order.

It you would like to have moderaor powers over the Order's subforum here, just let me know.
 
Yes, if you think interest indicated in this thread warrants that.
Otherwise, I am very happy to see you responded so quickly.
 
a gryphonic revival would be fun. A return to the days of chyvalrie would give the cynics something new to sneer at.

The forum, however, still appears to be "read only"
 
I would be interested in returning to the Order. I was never very active, and was not a member through The North Pacific, but I would be willing to serve.
 
Fulhead,
Before I can answer that fully I need to discover if anything was materially altered during my hiatus. If nothing has been greatly changed from before my medical leave of absence then the Order will be the same as it was. I do not wish to dismiss improvements or modifications out of hand. So if those who carried on the fight honorably made changes, those are worth considering on their merits.
 
In Lemuria, Drkwych asked
So tell me,how are you going to be able to do this?
to which I have replied:
This is being advertised in 3 Regional Forums: TNP, Lem, and TWP. While the Order had extended to others, this trio of realms has been the strongest base for recruitment in the past.
To refound a Chapter in a Region, there must be 3 returning knights or applicants within a thread. Those with divided regional loyalties may of course apply in more than one thread but can only vote in one.
Once there are 3 or more members, excluding myself, a vote can be held to elect a Chaptermaster for the region.
Returning knights familiar with the application process need not reapply. They will be welcomed back to their seats at the round table freely and openly.
New applicants must declare their intent to join, explain their honor, and be supported in their application by 2 knights in good standing. [Nomination and Seconding.] Applicants cannot nominate or second themselves.
Basically it's the same as the days of old.

The only addition to be made is that without 3 returning knights per region to form a triumvirate, revival will be difficult.
 
I'm interested in joining the Order. I'm new to NS as well, so I don't know if anyone is willing to nominate and second me. Nonetheless...

I am:
Forthright and Earnest, though I cannot claim complete Honesty. I have lied.
relatively Intelligent, but cannot claim Wisdom. I have made many mistakes.
Kind, but not unduly so. I treat others as I would have them treat me.
Humble, yet possess a quiet Pride. As evidenced by the difficulty I have writing this.
Brave in facing a debilitating disability.
using 'I' too many times in this post.

I strive:
to learn as much as I can.
to be a better person, in my own eyes.
to be a stronger person.
to quit smoking.

Link: Isimud
 
Thyatira, I've given you moderator status over this subforum. There are a couplr of things the admin and global mods will have to do for you (such as moving spam or inappropriate posts to a lock box, but you should be able to handle most mod things. (Once the TNP chapter is revived, you can decide if the chapter master should have similar functions.) ..)
 
I shall take time tomoro to review this entire thread thus far, and to official welcome back returning members.
I am pleasantly surprised by Isimud's application. It is the only one I can remember that candidly speaks of faults as well as virtues.
Grosseschnauzer, thank you for the Mod privilege. I shall get back to you on any further needs and wishes regarding the forum itself. But for now, I should like you to dialog with Isimud, by PM, concerning the application. If you would consent to Champion the Aspirant, I would very much like to move their review forward.
 
I applied to the Order of Gryphons a while ago, but I had activity issues soon after and couldn't finish answering the questions I was asked. Then the Order was shut down. I may reapply.
 
Summary thus far:

Aspirants: Isimud
Comment/Question only: Eluvatar, Fulhead Land, and TAO
Eventual: Korinna
Members Confirmed Returned: flemingovia, Gaspo, and Grosseschnauzer

The North Pacific now has a triumvirate of returned knights. Would the three of you please elect the Chaptermaster. I shall break any ties between you. If you would also consider as your second order of business, proceessing Isimud's application quickly.
 
I vote Grosseschnauzer as Chaptermaster.

If a Champion is still needed for Isimud, I will serve.
 
Gross will do fine for me, until a swineherd wanders into the chapterhouse clutching a sword he has just pulled out of a stone.
 
I'll accept the decision that I should serve as Chapter Master.

And I thank Gaspo for taking up to champion Isimud in his application to join he Order.
 
I thank both Gaspo and Great Bights Mum for their offers to Champion me.

If you have any questions feel free to ask.
 
Isimud, would you kindly provide a link to your nation. It is customary to hoist the flag of member-nations in celebration of their being inducted into the Order.
 
The proper application is still floating around, as Isimud found it. Provided applications are in order, I would be honored to champion Ator or Emperor Matthius.
 
I will be out much of today (Sunday) but I will post a new summary of this thread, including a list of new Returning Knights and new Aspirants, when I get home.
 
I hope that the following will help to explain things. This has been prepared from several documents on my hard drive and from several threads on the Order's forum.

The Order of Gryphons is a brotherhood of Knight-Priests from within The Holy and Gryphonnic Land of New Thyatira, a nation founded upon Christian principles. As such, its motto was based on Revelation V:12. Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive Power, and Riches, and Wisdom, and Strength, and Honour, and Glory, and Blessings.
On 21 April, 2004, The Order officially recognized that Nobility does exist outside the borders of its homeland and cordially extended an invitation to other nations that wished representation. The virtues espoused by the Order (as defined in New Thyatira) were those listed in the New Thyatiran motto.
However, we realize that the virtues espoused by the greater Order need not be strictly these, nor need they be only seven. The Knighthood is not a Christian organization but an ecumenical brotherhood that embraces diversity. [Still, much of the iconography is obviously based on the initial precept.]

Why is New Thyatira in The North Pacific? … in Lemuria? … in The West Pacific?
In a sort of national roleplay or historical backstory, it has been determined that New Thyatira was founded by the Order of Gryphons. The Order, in the Knighthood’s fiction, was created in AD 1144. At that time most of the County of Edessa had been lost by Christians in the Levant. The Gryphons were founded in Byzantine-controlled city of Thyatira. Because of the loss of territories in the Holy Lands, the Gryphons were to search for Prester John – to beseech him to send reinforcements. The Kingdom of Prester John was believed to be east of Persia. The Gryphons never found the man they sought after, but they did find and settle in Lemuria and the North and West Pacific.
Q) What the… you guys were created in 1144? Did they even have computers back then?
A) Nope, but they had camels. Camels trump computers. There is an ‘expanded’ history [somewhere; I’ll have to find it]. The NS Version of the Order of Gryphons was created in early 2004. In-game, the Order came to be loosely based on such groups as the Knights Templar.

Q) What is the Order of Gryphons? What does the Order do?
A) We are a brotherhood of Knight-Priests, dedicated to making the world (and Nationstates) a better place! We are dedicated to peace, freedom, and the greater good of Nationstates. We are not an army, nor are we a primary affiliation. We do not require you to move out of your home region and leave your friends behind. The Order of Gryphons is an organization, a group of people who loudly proclaim they follow the Virtues and will stand up to injustice. We are defined by our Code of Conduct.
Code of Conduct.
1. Respect all others in times of civility and war. Each person we share kinship with or cross swords with is due respect as a person, in life or death. We therefore vow to honor even the vilest with respect not offered in return, whether we come to embrace each other or find duel and disagreement unavoidable.
2. Pursue the benefit of the public and the state that protects it. The Order of the Gryphons exists for the betterment of the peoples of our world, vast and chaotic. Each knight vows to make every personal effort to benefit those around us whether through state or individual.
3. Defend the weak. In the pursuit of benefit for all, we will often find those young in the ways of this world or weak in their abilities or understanding. We vow to support the education and encouragement of any such we come across.
4. Listen deeply before speaking with wise counsel. Quick words too often are the cause of foolish hostilities. We vow to listen earnestly to all who seek dialogue with us, measuring their words with the counsel of others who may have special wisdom.
5. Promote peace and sensible dialogue whenever possible. War is too quickly pursued in this world of ours. We vow to seek peaceful resolutions and encourage likewise between others when at all possible.
6. Dedicate oneself to a life of service. No good aim comes to fruition through idleness. We vow to model and be the change we hope to see, always in light of the other duties to family and friends.
7. Preserve the honor of the region, champion, chapter and order that you serve. Recognize that what shames one of us can come to dishonor us all. Preserve the honor of your brethren.

Application: Any nation may apply to join the Order. The procedure is as follows:
1) Publicly post that you wish to join the Order of Gryphons. You may also select a Branch [see below] if it is your intention to join one.
2) Tell us what attracted you to the Order of Gryphons.
3) Tell us about your Virtues, why you would be a good Brother or Sister of the Order. We of the Knighthood believe that everyone has at least three virtues that would make him or her fit to join the Order. If you have problems, simply drop one of us a line and we’ll help you out!
4) Declare the name of the Nation joining if it differs from your registered name here. It is the custom to hoist the flag of Member Countries as they are received to the Order.
We are not looking for essays. Short answers will suffice. Simply be truthful, that is all we ask.
Supporters/Champions: Masterknights are asked to act as Supporters (in a style inspired by Heraldry) to Aspirants (those who have applied). It is hoped that an Aspirant will have at least 2 different Supporters. Supporters are asked to get to know that Aspirant they Champion, and post regarding the Aspirant’s Gryphonnic Qualities. Notes: Many Master-Knight nations have ceased to exist. Finding a Master-Knight as a Supporter may prove difficult. Until such time as the Order is revitalized, the system of Supporters may be temporarily suspended.
After Application, a review takes place. It is generally brief.

Branches: The Branches of the Order of Gryphons are: The Militant, The Hospitaler, and The Chancery. No part of the Order should be deemed superior to any other part. Declaring for any Branch is not required, and members are able to switch back and forth between Branches. Each Branch is led by a Special Officer – the Field-Marshal of the Knights-Militant, the Castellan of the Knights-Hospitaler, and the Chancellor of the Chancery.

Knights-Militant. The Knights-Militant Branch acknowledges that Knights are typically seen as Warriors. Knights-Militant are Gryphonnic players of NS who participate in Actions-of-Arms (military affairs) that call them away from the region where their Chapterhouse is. We hold such UN countries to be part of the Esteemed defense groups and would not think to interfere with their protection of rightful sovereigns of foreign regions. [The Knights-Militant is not the military branch of the Order.]

Knights-Hospitaler. Historically, a Hospitaler was a member of a military religious order devoted to the care of sick and needy pilgrims. Hospitalers are those Brother-Gryphons inclined to promote Civil Rights and Political Freedoms, rather than the Peace of the Sword. On-going strife is lamentable and should be considered an issue for the Hospitalers. Further, where extending the hand of brotherhood would make sense, and where you are so inclined, please answer the call.

Chancery. The Archives of the Order are to be kept by the Chancellor and his/her office, the Order’s Chancery. The Chancery is intended as a Staff organization within the Order. Archivists and historians are encouraged to research and provide information regarding Gryphons in myth and Knights in legend. Further, the Chancery should record any official matters of the Order.

Q) I qualify for more then one Branch, can I be in more then one?
A) As mentioned above, members are able to switch back and forth between Branches. However, if you want to hold a High Council position within a specific branch, you'll have to "stay put."

Rank and Honorifics:
Knight: This is applicable to any Member. Males use “Sir” as an honorific and females use “Baroness.” These titles can be changed to “Lord” or “Lady” by special award by the Knight-Commander for exemplary service to the Order.
Master-Knight: Nations that have the Gryphon flag in their Signature and/or their Rank Honorific as their Member Title in forums are accorded the Rank of Masterknight. Use of the flag of the Order and Rank Honorific is encouraged for all member states, but it is by no means mandatory. The list of Master-Knights includes, but is not limited to: Cakatoa, Costelloism, Democratic Donkeys, Economic Determinists, Midatlantia Revolution, Nem, Royal Keeblerhoffs, Second Imperium, Shagna, Sub Rosa, Swabbia, UglyTool, Underdog (UK_Underdog), and Virtual Boy. This list is based on old records and is by no means intended to be comprehensive, or to slight anyone deserving of the title whose name has not been to this file record.
Count/Countess: All Chapter-Masters and Assistant Branch Commanders shall be entitled to use the honorific 'Count' or 'Countess'. They shall revert to their former ranking upon stepping down from their commanding position.
Grand Duke/Grand Duchess: Any member of the High-Council shall be entitled to use the honorific ‘Grand Duke/Duchess', and shall revert to their former ranking they have earned when they step out of their commanding position. There shall only ever be seven Grand-Dukes or Duchess within the Order, one for each High Council position.
NOTE: Titles on the Gryphorum [Gryphon Forum] differ from those for actual rank within the Order.

Q) What Regions have Chapters?
A) Historically, we have enjoyed the hospitality of several NS forums: Dragons Lair; Gatesville; IDU; Lemuria; Nasicournia; Stars; The East Pacific; The North Pacific; The Refuge; The South Pacific; The West Pacific.

Changing Regions does not require a Member-Knight to change Chapters. Moving to a new Region without a Chapter may tempt you to start one. Until the revitalization is in full swing, expansion of the Order will be tightly controlled.

Expulsion:
Dishonorable behavior can result in expulsion, but cases have been rare. These were handled by extensive review before any decision was handed down.
 
Isimud, having amply demonstrated the Virtues of enthusiasm and determination, and having be duly Championed by Gaspo and Great Bights Mum, and after due consideration of your desire to further the ends of the Order, it is with great Honor and Enthusiasm that you are welcomed to the Order of Gryphons!
It is customary to erect a flagpole and hoist aloft the flag of each accepted nation. Therefore, The Chapterhouse and Demesne of The Order of Gryphons hereby unfurls this banner:
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Arise Isimud, Gryphon, and stand welcomed to the Order!
 
The following are considered Aspirants: Ator People, Emperor Matthuis, and FALCONKATS.
Please see a few posts above for the Application Process.

The following are confirmed Returned Members: Byardkuria, Flemingovia, Gaspo, Great Bights Mum, Grosseschnauzer, Isimud, and Monte Ozarka.

Fulhead Land was a Member, though I am uncertain as to whether his question indicates a desire to return or not.
 
As a past member, The Anarcho Fascist Revolution of Fedele seeks to reactivate its membership in the Order of Gryphons.
 
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