TNP and NPO End Relations

Before we continue, I would like to remind all Cabinet and Deputy Ministers of The North Pacific to keep themselves under control. I realize that some of the apparent "insults" that may have been exchanged may not have been intended, but you are, nonetheless, the representatives of this region and are expected to act accordingly.

The United Federation of Hersfold
Acting in capacity as Prime Minister
 
Unless I am mistaken, the NPO has little control over whether or not the "unofficial relations" as described by Darkesia actually do occur, whether they are wanted or not.
 
If Pacific Army is an aggressive region created with the intent of destroying the NPO, why then does not the NPO just move in and stomp them? Such and act would surely be considered 'self defense', would it not?

And we all know that Pacific Army is such a tiny region that it couldn't withstand such an attack.
 
Romanoffia:
If Pacific Army is an aggressive region created with the intent of destroying the NPO, why then does not the NPO just move in and stomp them? Such and act would surely be considered 'self defense', would it not?

And we all know that Pacific Army is such a tiny region that it couldn't withstand such an attack.
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Because people like you will scream about it til the end of time and all the "defenders" will get involved defending poor little PA from the mean and nasty NPO!!

Essentially, the NPO attacking Pacific Army is exactly what Pacific Army wants!!
 
Cthul Murgos:
It is a good thing that TNP wash our hands of dealings with them, and await for them to grow up into more mature people, instead of the blithering infants they seem to have degenerated to since the fall of the Republic. The Republic was an irritant, but trustworthy. The Order is a dangerous, infantile entity that needs to be disciplined by something older and far wiser.
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Older and far wiser than I? I think that highly unlikely in this world.

Be gone with you, the adults are talking now.

The Order has no interests in dictating the sovereign actions of a fellow feeder. That is the primary purpose of our complaint. The independence and sovereignty of the feeders is a primary tenet of our belief system. We are Pacifica, we Prevail.

The north catering to an outside source that is determined to force its will on us smacks of you not caring for our sovereignty or independence.

It makes us cry.
 
Poltsamaa:
Romanoffia:
If Pacific Army is an aggressive region created with the intent of destroying the NPO, why then does not the NPO just move in and stomp them? Such and act would surely be considered 'self defense', would it not?

And we all know that Pacific Army is such a tiny region that it couldn't withstand such an attack.
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Because people like you will scream about it til the end of time and all the "defenders" will get involved defending poor little PA from the mean and nasty NPO!!

Essentially, the NPO attacking Pacific Army is exactly what Pacific Army wants!!
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If the PA is engaging in aggressive actions against the NPO, then the NPO would be justified in defending itself. I for one don't complain when an act of legitimate self-defense is the case.

If you read their last post in the PA embassy thread, you will find that they have clearly stated that they have no intent of screwing around with The Pacific and NPO as it has become totally irrelevent to the PA. Hence, there is no threat to The Pacific from the PA. So, I fail to see what the hub-bub is about. Issue over. No cause for being irate.

And why do you appear, IMHO, to be more interested in the well being of The Pacific and the NPO? Or am I just being nit-picky. I think you, as a minister of this government, would be more concerned about another region demanding we cut off relations of a minimal nature with a region that is no threat to anyone except themselves. I don't think PA has any desire to be stomped by anyone nor has any desire to be attacked by the NPO.


Pierc:
The north catering to an outside source that is determined to force its will on us smacks of you not caring for our sovereignty or independence.
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That is where you are absolutely wrong. It is because of our respect for the sovereignty of your region and every region that we do not cut off diplomatic relations with anyone without good cause. Clearly, in their embassy, the PA has stated that it has no designs nor any interest in the North Pacific or the NPO. In fact, it doesn't seem to even concern them.

What has me utterly puzzled (actually it doesn't have me puzzled, no offense intended) is why the mighty NPO would be so upset at a gnat-sized region that isn't threatening it and has no intention of doing so? Attempting to pick a fight with another feeder region over a contrived issue is unbecoming of such a wise person as yourself. At least that is how it is being percieved. I certainly hope that is not your intent because your actions will only diminish the reputation of the NPO and cause instability, and you know how much everyone hates instability. No one hates instability more than I do.

Take my personal and unnofficial observations as you wish, Pierc, but you might be well advised to absorb them and take advantage of some solid and friendly advise.

I am in favor of TNP having friendly relations with your region and the NPO in a mutually beneficial way. I am in favor of preserving and promoting your region's sovereignty from those who wish to destabilize your region. And this is despite your severing of diplomatic relations with another feeder region.

Your attempt to isolate a harmless (to you) region like PA and TNP along with it has been a total and complete failure with the rest of the feeders. You aren't making any friends for or increasing the credibility of the NPO by throwing a tantrum on their behalf.

If the NPO is as powerful as it appears to be, and were I in your shoes, I would totally ignore the PA, let other regions act in their own sovereign capacity, let the PA make an aggressive move (which they won't) and put an end to this silliness.

If the PA makes an aggressive move against The Pacific, you can count on my speaking out, wherever neccessary, in your region's behalf in any appropriate act of self defense deemed neccessary.

I am not your enemy and have no desire to become your enemy and I think most of us in TNP hold that position. If the PA takes an action that is an incursive action against your region, I will speak up personally on your behalf. Until that incursion by the PA occurs, or they make it clear that they intend to do so, put a lid on it.

This issue is dead, as stiff, bereft of live parrot, AFAIAK.


R
 
Personally, I think we should declare war on the NPO. Obviously this attack on our Sovereignty (capitalized for emphasis...can something be communized for emphasis?) cannot go unpunished! It's a travesty, like Michael Jackson.

Pacifica Prevails? Nay, Pacifica Delenda Est!


[size=-6]Is he joking????? Maybe...[/size]
 
We will not declare war on anyone unless we are the victims of a direct assault against the stability of this region.

I will not have people clamoring for war in this region. That is not what we stand for, that is not what we will have unless it is the only option open to us. Right now it is not.
 
Romanoffia:
If the PA is engaging in aggressive actions against the NPO, then the NPO would be justified in defending itself. I for one don't complain when an act of legitimate self-defense is the case.
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Indeed it would be justified!! What is deemed "self defence" would be an issue in proving the attack was justified!! What the NPO see as "justified self-defence" may not be taken as such by other groups in NS!!

If you read their last post in the PA embassy thread, you will find that they have clearly stated that they have no intent of screwing around with The Pacific and NPO as it has become totally irrelevent to the PA. Hence, there is no threat to The Pacific from the PA. So, I fail to see what the hub-bub is about. Issue over. No cause for being irate.
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So, because they don't have their desire to oust the government of the NPO advertised all over the place anymore they are no longer intent on that goal?! Wow, maybe Ivan should have put that he was seeking democracy in TNP when he was Minister and everyone would have taken that as gospel and got behind him as Delegate!!

And why do you appear, IMHO, to be more interested in the well being of The Pacific and the NPO? Or am I just being nit-picky. I think you, as a minister of this government, would be more concerned about another region demanding we cut off relations of a minimal nature with a region that is no threat to anyone except themselves. I don't think PA has any desire to be stomped by anyone nor has any desire to be attacked by the NPO.
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Ah yes, you got me, Roman!! I'm an NPO plant sent back through time to change history for the betterment of the NPO!!

I think you'll find all I have posted is my opinion that the NPO has made a decision, the TNP has made theirs and the issue is dealt with!! All the other theatrics from the likes of Cthul Murgos are really not necessary!!

The NPO do not consider the PA a threat, barring a game glitch, they do however, see them as the embodiment of a group seeking to oust their sovereign government!! So, in that regards, I do see their side of the situation as well as ours!! You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine!! As someone who puts the sovereignty of a Feeder over a non-feeder I am saddened that ties have been severed!! Hopefully that will change soon, but both regions have made their decision based on their belief as to what is right and we move on!!

If you can point out where I am more concerned with the NPO than TNP, please quote me!!
 
I think an incursion by one region into another region with the intend of overthrowing the legitimate government or staging a coup to take over a government and sieze control is a legitimate thing to respond/retaliate to, don't you agree? I think so.

All the NPO has to do is to ask the PA their position, which, incidentally, the PA has clearly stated.

The PA is not a threat to the NPO. Even if it wanted to be a threat, it couldn't.

The question is, is the PA engaging in any incursions into your region? And if there are any incursions into TP that are threats to TP security and sovereignty, is there absolute proof of who is behind it?

If the NPO wants to throw a hissy by cutting off diplomatic relations with TNP, that is their business, but because TNP exerted its own sovereign rights and didn't cave to an outright inane demand doesn't mean that we should be dragged into their pseudo-crisis.

What goes on between TP and PA is their business and neither of them have any right to try to maneouver TNP into a totally stupid situation that doesn't concern us at all. The NPO has no more right to make demands opon TNP than the PA has to make demands upon the NPO. In this regard, the NPO is entitled to cut off relations with TNP even if it is for some distorted sense of honor. I don't care. It's their conflict and they have no right to make it ours and by God, they won't make it our conflict if I have anything to say about it.

IMHO, both the NPO and PA need to settle this matter on their own and leave everyone else out of it. It is no concern of ours - let's keep it that way. If they want to beat the feces out of each other, let them have at it. At that point, we have only to decide to remain neutral or support the victim of aggression.

As I said before, and you fail to realize that we are both on the same side of the fence in terms of realpolitik, if the PA engaged in a real incursion of aggressive nature against The Pacific and its NPO government, I will be let with no choice but to support the position of the NPO as the victim of aggression. And the reverse goes too.

R
 
Hersfold:
We will not declare war on anyone unless we are the victims of a direct assault against the stability of this region.

I will not have people clamoring for war in this region. That is not what we stand for, that is not what we will have unless it is the only option open to us. Right now it is not.
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I'd rather not be the victim, and it is patently obvious that the NPO seeks nothing other than the control, directly or indirectly, of our great region. They are an Empire, after all. I mean, come on, they have an Emperor! And a "Senate" (a bastardization of the term, IMO) composed entirely of, yep, Imperial appointments.

War has already been clamored, Prime Minister, with this thin pretense of a misnomered and harmless defending club used as a way of purposely souring relations between the zealous Fortress Pierconium sycophants and ourselves, the Guardians of the North. War is the next step, the only question is which side will strike first. The Pacific Orthodox Church has already been shut down in Heftogen. The NPO wants Conflict, I say we give them some.

Pacifica Delenda Est!


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Romanoffia:
I think an incursion by one region into another region with the intend of overthrowing the legitimate government or staging a coup to take over a government and sieze control is a legitimate thing to respond/retaliate to, don't you agree? I think so.
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So they have to wait for an incursion to act or take offense to the rhetoric they have espoused?! This is exactly what i meant when I said that what some perceive as just cause is not what others preceive as just cause!!

All the NPO has to do is to ask the PA their position, which, incidentally, the PA has clearly stated.
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Yes, and while they are at it can they ask Iran whether they intend on making nuclear weapons with their new found technology and ask Hamas if they really, truly want to wipe Israel off the map!! I mean, if they tell there is nothing to worry about we can relax and get on with other things with a clear conscience and a warm, fuzzy feeling inside!!

The PA is not a threat to the NPO. Even if it wanted to be a threat, it couldn't.
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Depends what you consider a threat!! A threat by way of a full-scale invasion, you are right, they are not a threat!! Barrign a game glitch that is!! Are they a threat to the NPO by undermining their government?! Perhaps!! The NPO seem to object to what they PA represent in the NS community, not to them being a realistic military threat!!

The question is, is the PA engaging in any incursions into your region? And if there are any incursions into TP that are threats to TP security and sovereignty, is there absolute proof of who is behind it?
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I wouldn't know!! How about we ask those honest people at PA!! I'm sure they could say they haven't and we can all call it a day and go out for ice cream!! Have the PA done so in the past?! Yes, I believe they have!!

If the NPO wants to throw a hissy by cutting off diplomatic relations with TNP, that is their business, but because TNP exerted its own sovereign rights and didn't cave to an outright inane demand doesn't mean that we should be dragged into their pseudo-crisis.
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I don't see them throwing a hissy fit!! I see them making a decision and presenting that information to TNP for us to decide on what we deem the best course of action!! The only rants I have seen have been from Cthul Murgos!! i don't believe they have dragged TNP into any crisis, in fact I see no crisis at all!!

What goes on between TP and PA is their business and neither of them have any right to try to maneouver TNP into a totally stupid situation that doesn't concern us at all. The NPO has no more right to make demands opon TNP than the PA has to make demands upon the NPO. In this regard, the NPO is entitled to cut off relations with TNP even if it is for some distorted sense of honor. I don't care. It's their conflict and they have no right to make it ours and by God, they won't make it our conflict if I have anything to say about it.
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The NPO made no demands of TNP!! They presented a situation, we made a decision and it has been dealt with!! I'm not sure as to the crisis you keep referring to!! You keep rabitting on about it, makes it seem like it is "our" issue!!

IMHO, both the NPO and PA need to settle this matter on their own and leave everyone else out of it. It is no concern of ours - let's keep it that way. If they want to beat the feces out of each other, let them have at it. At that point, we have only to decide to remain neutral or support the victim of aggression.
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Yes, so what are we talking about then?!

As I said before, and you fail to realize that we are both on the same side of the fence in terms of realpolitik, if the PA engaged in a real incursion of aggressive nature against The Pacific and its NPO government, I will be let with no choice but to support the position of the NPO as the victim of aggression. And the reverse goes too.

R
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Best of luck with that if thats the way the cookie crumbles!! I think you might find some opposition to supporting the NPO regaardless of who instigates hostilities!!
 
I wonder, does the NPO believe that the Pacific Army is different from Nasicournia in that it would move in case of a game glitch, while Nasicournia would not? There has not been such a controversy over our Nasicournia embassy (and corrosponding treaty for that matter).

Nasicournia is even a declared enemy of the Pacific.
 
John Ashcroft Land:
I wonder, does the NPO believe that the Pacific Army is different from Nasicournia in that it would move in case of a game glitch, while Nasicournia would not?  There has not been such a controversy over our Nasicournia embassy (and corrosponding treaty for that matter).

Nasicournia is even a declared enemy of the Pacific.
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How would we know, we are TNP, not NPO!! :w00t:

Personally, I see Nasicournia and PA as one and the same!!
 
So they have to wait for an incursion to act or take offense to the rhetoric they have espoused?!
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Rhetoric is a lot of hot air. And I don't think the PA has anything even remotely resembling a nuclear weapon. Your hyperbole is appreciated, but if the region is not a threat, then I suggest that Ivan is paranoid or he has a real threat on his hands and he doesn't know where it's coming from. I suspect he is just blowing some rhetoric of his own.

He should take a powder and just laugh at the gnats. It would make him look a little more reasonable and, how can I say it, responsibly statesman-like.

Telling us to cut off relations with another region or the NPO will cut off relations with us sure as hell sounds like a demand to me. It also sounds like a demand to everyone else too. It also sounds like a temper tantrum of biblical proportions.

I don't think the issue is even worth considering at all. If the NPO wants a war, let them have one, but let them confine it to their own region instead of spreading it around the world. Oh, and let them strike the first blow because it will bring the rest of the world right down on them, guaranteed.

If the NPO is a victim of aggression from another region, then the NPO is in the right provided they can submit substantion proof as to the aggressor region. If they are dealing with a revolution originating within their own borders, well, it's their internal conflict and they should deal with it themselves. No one should interfere in that instance.

They aren't having a revolution over there, are they? Wouldn't surprise me in the least if they were.

R
 
Romanoffia:
Rhetoric is a lot of hot air. And I don't think the PA has anything even remotely resembling a nuclear weapon. Your hyperbole is appreciated, but if the region is not a threat, then I suggest that Ivan is paranoid or he has a real threat on his hands and he doesn't know where it's coming from. I suspect he is just blowing some rhetoric of his own.
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As is your custom, you sidestep the point nicely!! My point in referring to Iran and Hamas is that people will tell you what you want to hear, or more accurately what they want you to believe!!

He should take a powder and just laugh at the gnats. It would make him look a little more reasonable and, how can I say it, responsibly statesman-like.

Telling us to cut off relations with another region or the NPO will cut off relations with us sure as hell sounds like a demand to me. It also sounds like a demand to everyone else too. It also sounds like a temper tantrum of biblical proportions.

I don't think the issue is even worth considering at all. If the NPO wants a war, let them have one, but let them confine it to their own region instead of spreading it around the world. Oh, and let them strike the first blow because it will bring the rest of the world right down on them, guaranteed.

If the NPO is a victim of aggression from another region, then the NPO is in the right provided they can submit substantion proof as to the aggressor region. If they are dealing with a revolution originating within their own borders, well, it's their internal conflict and they should deal with it themselves. No one should interfere in that instance.

They aren't having a revolution over there, are they? Wouldn't surprise me in the least if they were.

R
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The NPO provided us with their position on a situation, we made a decision and that is that!! Repeating the some thing over and over gets tiresome!!
 
Refering to the PA as Hamas is like calling three guys with a knives the Peoples' Liberation Front of Judea.....or is it the Judean Peoples' Liberation Front?

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What I really think we are witnessing is the self-destruction of the NPO by it's own hands. It reminds me of what happened when the Roman Emporer Tiberius kicked the bucket. Funny what happens when one emporer goes and another one arrives.

How's that for a historical metaphor? :P

Now let's all just take a breather and sit back and watch the NPO cookie do whatever the NPO cookie does to itself.
 
Romanoffia:
Refering to the PA as Hamas is like calling three guys with a knives the Peoples' Liberation Front of Judea.....or is it the Judean Peoples' Liberation Front?

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What I really think we are witnessing is the self-destruction of the NPO by it's own hands. It reminds me of what happened when the Roman Emporer Tiberius kicked the bucket. Funny what happens when one emporer goes and another one arrives.

How's that for a historical metaphor? :P

Now let's all just take a breather and sit back and watch the NPO cookie do whatever the NPO cookie does to itself.
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Again, you miss the point entirely!! My point being that people tell you what you want to hear or more accurately what they want you to believe!! That point does not have anything to do with nuclear weapons or whether PA is large, small or something in between!! Asking PA if they have intentions to overthrow the government of The Pacific and taking their word for it is akin to asking Iran if they intend to use nuclear technology to develop weapons or ask the leaders of Hamas if they really do intend to wipe Israel off the map!! Its not that hard to comprehend is it?!

Seriously, read what I say, not what you want me to say!! Debating people is entertaining to me, but debating people who argue strawmen over and over again really get boring!! Arguing points nobody made or claimed to make is just inane!!
 
I see your point. I hear your point. I see your point again. There! I just saw it again.

I don't care what the NPO did as per their embassy. I will, however, say that it was possibly the most stupid faux pas I have ever seen to date. So disgustingly transparant and lacking finesse that I have to wonder if Ivan hasn't turned over all his accounts to someone else.

With their current "Emporer", they may as well change the regions' motto to 'If The Pacific Had But One Throat' (To lazy to translate that one into Latin).

I mean, as soon as the NPO gets a new emporer, I see the proverbial hand-basket looming over the NPO and the Pacific. I've never seen a Delegate go so far out of his way to irritate so many other regions in one fell swoop that I have to just sit back with a big bowl of pretzels and a six-pack of Guinness Stout. I am astonished. Utterly. Completely and absolutely.

OK, you win, the NPO made it's decision and we made ours. We can all ride off into the sunset and bid the NPO a hearty and hale farewell as they go on their merry way and wish them all the luck in the world. It's none of our concern at this point.

R
 
Oh god damn you people, you make my life so much more stressful and irritating you know that? <_<

I suppose I will explain this thing one last time, from what really happened, not the conspiracy view or the falsified views some members seem to possess. Firstly, on the 12th of May, 2006, I formally granted the region Pacific Army consulate status in The North Pacific. A few weeks after that initial event I was contacted by Senator Moo-Cows with Guns from the New Pacific Order regarding this. He asked me to please reconsider my decision to allow the Pacific Army a consulate in TNP. A few more days go by, we get back on the same topic, same thing, he asked me to reconsider, I said I most likely would not. I believe a day or two after that (forgive me everyone, I'm trying to recall this to the best of my abilities), I speak with Nevadar, Delegate of Gatesville, and we wind up on the same topic. After I believe a half hour on the topic, I found myself discussing the matter with both Moo-Cows and Nev. We agreed first agreed that I was to speak to the Cabinet about The Pacific's issues about the matter, that the Cabinet would decide whether to have relations with PA or not, and the NPO wished embassy status. A day or so later I asked Moo-Cows to write up a formal statement to the Cabinet, as I was not sure what to say exactly. I come to a few days before today when Ivan requested the consulate closed. I just arrived home from school, so even I did not know what was going on. That night I found myself in a meeting with Ivan, Moo and Nev, and I am told by Ivan that I have a choice, basically the NPO or the PA. As we saw, I decided, and look what we see now.

To those who have acted rationally, I applaud you. You make my day somewhat brighter and less stressful. To those who haven't, well, I'm not sure what to say to you with out being moderated on this forum...

Anyway, Dali signing off with the real story. If Moo or Ivan want to add to that, then go ahead.
 
Pierconium:
The north catering to an outside source that is determined to force its will on us smacks of you not caring for our sovereignty or independence.

It makes us cry.
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Why Ivan... I do too
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Seriously... catering to an outside source? You gave us a choice. Them or us. We pointed out that in our region, consulate means nothing in terms of support, simply a recognition of the game mechanics of a region existing in NS. You insisted, we made the choice to keep to our principles.


And so, I'm forced to agree with Roman.
Romanoffia:
OK, you win, the NPO made it's decision and we made ours. We can all ride off into the sunset and bid the NPO a hearty and hale farewell as they go on their merry way and wish them all the luck in the world. It's none of our concern at this point.
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For anyone who's interested, here is the text of the TNP Consulate agreement:
I, member name, representing the region name, do hereby understand that this consulate in no way forces The North Pacific into any Military or Political Alliance or relationship.  I understand that this consulate may be closed at anytime by the Minister of External Affairs for whatever reason.  I hereby pledge to follow the rules and regulations of this forum.
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It does not make an offer of safe harbor to plot insurrection or war, it doesn't offer any sort of value judgement on the activities undertaken by any region. It is merely a recognition of the existance of a region via game mechanics. What was the problem again?
 
Pierconium:
Older and far wiser than I? I think that highly unlikely in this world.

Be gone with you, the adults are talking now.
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Thank you for proving my point. Only the children seem to have this express need to assert their maturity, and in the very assertion, debase it. Your bluster, dear boy, doesn't turn my cheek. But I digress.

The Order has no interests in dictating the sovereign actions of a fellow feeder. That is the primary purpose of our complaint. The independence and sovereignty of the feeders is a primary tenet of our belief system. We are Pacifica, we Prevail.
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Your complaint means exactly zero to us. You've ended your relations with us, and the only reason people are entertaining you people here is because we're otherwise fairly bored. It is rather amazing you continue to call attention to yourself despite basically saying you are taking your ball and going home.

It makes us cry.
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Poor thing. Too bad throwing tantrums here pretty much gets you nowhere. You will not get the gratification you seek here. Go home and have someone change your diapers, because you're starting to stink up the place with their current contents. It is neither our place nor our desire to take care of that for you.
 
Since Pierconium will likely respond to the above, I would like to re-ask my question about why the Pacific Army recieves special treatment different than that of Nasicournia, declared enemy of the Pacific.
 
Romanoffia:
I see your point. I hear your point. I see your point again. There! I just saw it again.
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You see my point, you hear my point, yet you do not listen!!

blah, blah, blah...

OK, you win, the NPO made it's decision and we made ours. We can all ride off into the sunset and bid the NPO a hearty and hale farewell as they go on their merry way and wish them all the luck in the world. It's none of our concern at this point.

R
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Funny, I thought thats what you were agreeing with me all along!! You don't even undertand your own argument let alone anyone elses'. :duh:
 
jesuschrist... This is precisely why I'm over there and avoid this place.

If I came in here and said "I have to pee," you people would manage to turn it into a ten page argument.

Bah!
 
I find it humorous that so many would believe without even a second thought that things are progressing differently than I would have them.

If my now approaching four years have demonstrated anything it is that I make no move without knowing full well the possible outcomes and asserting that they fall within my favor...ultimately.

The Pacific has made certain moves to "piss off" certain groups that have proven less than fully reliable in the past and are noncommittal for the future. We have no interest in furthering false dialogue and diplomatic facades with those that will be at our gates at the first glitch.

The time of soft diplomacy for The Pacific is over. If you wish to treat with us, it will be on our terms. There is no other option. If you do not wish to treat with us, we do not care.
 
Pierconium:
The time of soft diplomacy for The Pacific is over. If you wish to treat with us, it will be on our terms. There is no other option. If you do not wish to treat with us, we do not care.
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Then why are you making such a big deal of this?
 
Great Bights Mum:
John Ashcroft Land:
It has come to this reporter's attention that the New Pacific Order has threatened to close relations with the Global Right Alliance due to its consolate with the anti-Gatesville region Concosia.  The GRA has taken the other route however and has closed the Concosia consolate.  Further details are unknown to this reporter at this time.
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Now THAT'S interesting. What's next? Asking regions to ban individual nations who are sympathetic to regions that don't find favor with the NPO?

@Pierconuim: We don't mind hearing alternative points of view. Its something we have here called free speech. If y'uns don't want to talk to us, that's YOUR choice.
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Go check Concosia's factbook entry and you will see why Gatesville was upset at the GRA opening diplomatic relations with them.

Surely a region that is created with the purpose of DESTROYING another region can be considered an enemy of the region who is a target for attacks. I don't think the PA is comparable to Concosia. PA could probably argue their way out of the situation (not that I personally consider that they are right, they've always intended to harm the Pacific one way or another). Concosia's hostility is quite open against Gatesville, whilst I'd consider PA's

Why do you find it infuriating that Gatesville asked the NPO to intercede on its behalf before the Global Right Alliance? You know, to curtail the influence of a region dedicated to the destruction of another region?
 
Certainly I don't have all the facts regarding the diplomacy engaged in among the GRA, the NPO and Concosia. Nor am I informed as to the manner in which GRA, as a matter of policy, views its consulates. Thus, the story as reported may not have covered the intricacies and nuances of the event.

I did not find the situation among those regions infuriating, merely interesting in an academic sense. It suggests the NPO is not averse to taking diplomatic leverage one step further.
 
Fedele:
Pierconium:
The time of soft diplomacy for The Pacific is over.  If you wish to treat with us, it will be on our terms.  There is no other option.  If you do not wish to treat with us, we do not care.
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Then why are you making such a big deal of this?
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I'm afraid I do not understand your question. The Pacific presented an option and the north chose one. We determined our response on that choice. There is no "big deal" being made by anyone that I can see.

Please elaborate.
 
Fedele:
Then why are you making such a big deal of this?
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Because he is what he is. If we gripe back, he gets something he wants. If we ignore him, he gets something he wants. If we put our tail between our legs and submit, he gets exactly what he wants.

The NPO has essentially set themselves up in a no-lose situation with us, it's something he's good at. Despite his attitude, I believe him to be quite pleased with what's going on.
 
Ah, good then :)

What the NPO has demonstrated on that particular case is willingness to support an ally, "stepping up the play" if you will. What the GRA has demonstrated is intelligence.

The tone of your post suggested that you were upset at these proceedings. So excuse me if I misinterpreted you.

Damn, it's so hard to find a smiley to post here. There are so many...
 
Cthul Murgos:
Fedele:
Then why are you making such a big deal of this?
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Because he is what he is. If we gripe back, he gets something he wants. If we ignore him, he gets something he wants. If we put our tail between our legs and submit, he gets exactly what he wants.

The NPO has essentially set themselves up in a no-lose situation with us, it's something he's good at. Despite his attitude, I believe him to be quite pleased with what's going on.
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