Persecution?

I'm not aware that raiders were allowed in the NPA!! So any security breach by having raiders in the region is a non-issue!!

I'm also not aware that the government had much role or say in defender activities in so far as planning of defense operations!! So, again, security is a non-issue!!

Other than that, I agree with what you have said, Flem!! It cannot be expected for raiders to drop their bundle if the NPA roll up. If the raiders attack TNP, that is a different issue!! If the NPA intervenes in a raid that is already underway, then the NPA has engaged the raiders as is their right. They cannot, however, expect the raiders to be punished for not withdrawing if they are not using their TNP member nations!!

I also agree with Digitalis, the constitution directly states that member nations are sworn to abide by the Constitution, not the player behind the nation!! Therefore, Hersfold's assertion that because they have declared their UN nation in their oath that that UN nation is somehow bound by the oath despite the fact that the UN nation is not the declared TNP member nation is false!! Always has been!!

I really thought we had got past all this!!
 
While this is all very interesting am i right in presuming that i'm right in saying that this is all a dead issue now the court ahs ruled against hersfold and in my favour?

I would guess that sets a precident saying that aslong as its not your TNP antion doing it, or your fighting the region directly, your ok! Thats the law, and i hope theirs no rush to change this. If people choose to play a part of the game some of the old crowd here dont like, thats not our problem, we cant make it illegal ! Lets hope i'm not hoping too much?


And as for TNP being a "defender region" thats bull in my opinion! The feeders should be nuetral, not used by defender groups to give them new recruits and support! Sure have an army, but one taht is strictly invader or defender? thats denying people who look here before or insted of moving on to another region the chance of seeing the game in full, without bias!

As a feeder there is still one important role left to play- being responsible for how new players see the game. TNP has always been crap at it and this way it always will be!
 
For the purposes of clarification, there has been no court ruling as the AG has determined he will not be proceeding with an indictment. It takes a decision of the Court to set a legal precedent.
 
I would guess that sets a precident...
Well, unless a future AG decides to overturn the ruling, prosecute you, and whoever else they feel like...

:unsure:

Can they do that?

*sees GBM's comments*

:duh:

TNP has always been crap at it and this way it always will be!

Gracious in victory as always... :P

Also, as FL has pointed out, the reason of this thread starting his disappeared. If anyones got constructive comments on this subject, I think BW's proposed legislation dealing with this is the place to discuss them. As precedent or not, I'd prefer a cast iron set of rules on this to stop this issue coming up again, and again...
 
As a feeder there is still one important role left to play- being responsible for how new players see the game. TNP has always been crap at it and this way it always will be!
And some people still believe that who live here. Frankly, YOU still reside here as a member of the RA. So you yourself suck at helping the newbies. If you haven't tried to help people, then don't talk about the lack of support TNP offers.
 
MAybe that ist the way the wind is blowing, HC. All i know is this, the day anyone goes raiding or invading in the name of TNP, that will probably be my last day in the region.

Don't get my wrong, I was just chucking out an idea.


Personally, to restate what I said. I think that it should be written so that you could only come under prosecution for threatening regional security, invading/attempting to invade TNP itself or an allied/treatied region.
 
And some people still believe that who live here. Frankly, YOU still reside here as a member of the RA. So you yourself suck at helping the newbies. If you haven't tried to help people, then don't talk about the lack of support TNP offers.

yeah I do. And yeah i do help newbies regularaly. unfortunatly taht ahs to happen later when they come through to The Lexicon.

Of course you can ignor my point and continue down the path of drawing battle lines as you beacome more and more defender orientated!

Gracious in victory as always

thanks :hug:

For the purposes of clarification, there has been no court ruling as the AG has determined he will not be proceeding with an indictment. It takes a decision of the Court to set a legal precedent.

if the AG finds no problem this time and in 2 months a near identical case emerges, i dont see how the ruling can change, without of course, some personal thoughts coming into it. the law shouldnt change for each person, should it now?
 
yeah I do. And yeah i do help newbies regularaly. unfortunatly taht ahs to happen later when they come through to The Lexicon.

Of course you can ignor my point and continue down the path of drawing battle lines as you beacome more and more defender orientated!
Translation: Of course I'm not going to help this region, my goal is to undermine it so people come to my personal region! Duh!

Fulhead Land:
if the AG finds no problem this time and in 2 months a near identical case emerges, i dont see how the ruling can change, without of course, some personal thoughts coming into it. the law shouldnt change for each person, should it now?

Translation: Bring it, b**ch.
 
yeah I do. And yeah i do help newbies regularaly. unfortunatly taht ahs to happen later when they come through to The Lexicon.

Of course you can ignor my point and continue down the path of drawing battle lines as you beacome more and more defender orientated!
Translation: Of course I'm not going to help this region, my goal is to undermine it so people come to my personal region! Duh!

Fulhead Land:
if the AG finds no problem this time and in 2 months a near identical case emerges, i dont see how the ruling can change, without of course, some personal thoughts coming into it. the law shouldnt change for each person, should it now?

Translation: Bring it, bitch.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
Fulhead Land:
if the AG finds no problem this time and in 2 months a near identical case emerges, i dont see how the ruling can change, without of course, some personal thoughts coming into it. the law shouldnt change for each person, should it now?

Translation: Bring it, bitch.
Looks awfully like trolling from where I sit.

Fulhead and the other Founders of The Lexicon spent years in TNP trying to help newbies and trying to develop the region into the sort of region you would expect a Feeder to be.

However, a small minority here do not want that. They prefer to play wars of words, they thrive on conflict. They do not want to build something, they perfer to destory and let stagnation and apathy have their day.

A few of us grew tired of that and decided it was time to create a region that could embody some of what we had tried to achieve in TNP.

So, we created The Lexicon, which grew astonishingly - well beyond what we dreamed of when it was launched 5 months ago today.

But The Lexicon isn't build on undermining TNP. In fact most people in The Lexicon neither know much about TNP and probably care even less. They are Lexiconians, proud to be so and having a fantastic time in the busiest community in the game.

And let's not forget where this current set of hostilities between TNP and The Lexicon began. It began with a post by Fleminigovia. That post was clearly intended to get a reaction, which of course it did.
 
"Socially acceptable trolling" trolling would be more appropriate. The word "good" is not quite as subjective as most people would like it to be.
 
And some people still believe that who live here. Frankly, YOU still reside here as a member of the RA. So you yourself suck at helping the newbies. If you haven't tried to help people, then don't talk about the lack of support TNP offers.

yeah I do. And yeah i do help newbies regularly. unfortunately that has to happen later when they come through to The Lexicon.

Of course you can ignore my point and continue down the path of drawing battle lines as you become more and more defender orientated!
No FL... I felt slightly insulted by your post that insinuated that people in TNP had no desire or inclination to help newcomers. And that we do nothing. When that's completely untrue.

Do I accept TNP has problems helping newcomers to the game? Of course. Given my history that should be no surprise. But that doesn't mean that we can't try within TNP. And I've seen precious little attempt at helping the situation from you in this government. So I question your right to disparage whatever attempts have been made. But quite honestly, that's not really something that needs to be discussed here. So I'll be stopping now with this line.
 
No FL... I felt slightly insulted by your post that insinuated that people in TNP had no desire or inclination to help newcomers. And that we do nothing. When that's completely untrue.

I wasnt saying you all did nothing, I'm just saying that the region historically sucks at it and not much has changed that I can see.

As has been pointed out, Southwest Asia please dont troll me. I dont care what you think or say about me, but I wouldnt want to see you face any warnings or bannings on my account. I mean i am presuming the mods had a problem with that. They should have.

Asides that :agree: with Cathyy, and Eras and others, dont think I dont care about TNP. i was born here, i played here for many years. If i felt able to help here maybe I would be here more often. Maybe I would never have formed a region of my own. But lets face it, my views and the views of many others havent been valued or wanted here for many many months!
 
By agreeing to read the following, you accept the terms that:

1. You are not nursing or pregnant
2. The Author is expressing his personal opinion.

Looks awfully like trolling from where I sit.

Fulhead and the other Founders of The Lexicon spent years in TNP trying to help newbies and trying to develop the region into the sort of region you would expect a Feeder to be.

However, a small minority here do not want that. They prefer to play wars of words, they thrive on conflict. They do not want to build something, they perfer to destory and let stagnation and apathy have their day.

A few of us grew tired of that and decided it was time to create a region that could embody some of what we had tried to achieve in TNP.

So, we created The Lexicon, which grew astonishingly - well beyond what we dreamed of when it was launched 5 months ago today.

But The Lexicon isn't build on undermining TNP. In fact most people in The Lexicon neither know much about TNP and probably care even less. They are Lexiconians, proud to be so and having a fantastic time in the busiest community in the game.

And let's not forget where this current set of hostilities between TNP and The Lexicon began. It began with a post by Fleminigovia. That post was clearly intended to get a reaction, which of course it did.

Have you ever considered that the people who want to wage the verbal and word wars are you? Have you ever considered that because you can't stand others having fun and taking a new direction, you didn't have to try and verbally abuse every single member of these boards?

When Fulhead Land says that he in essence only helps out newbies when they go to The Lexicon, then his only goal in TNP for newbies would be to get them to Lexicon, and what better way to do that than make it look like cr*p? It seems logical to me that he'd want to try to make this region look unappealing for personal gain. He can prove me wrong in actions.

Go start your own region and run it, fine, but don't come to these boards just to harass others who you disagree with for fun, and then blame everything on them.

Asides that iagree.gif with Cathyy, and Eras and others, dont think I dont care about TNP. i was born here, i played here for many years. If i felt able to help here maybe I would be here more often. Maybe I would never have formed a region of my own. But lets face it, my views and the views of many others havent been valued or wanted here for many many months!

Despite what you might say, even you know that's untrue. Your victim mentality is appalling, especially since you haven't left. What does that mean? It means you still think you can change this region, but refuse to try through non-harassmental methods.

Besides, what ARE your ideas for this region, hmm? Either you're:

1. Really not concerned about this region and just paying lip service to that idea
2. Really are concerned but have no actual ideas

Pick one stance and change it for the better.
 
Despite what you might say, even you know that's untrue.
Ahh so only you are allowed to have an 'author's opinion'. Everyone who posts with their personal opinion is obviously telling lies.

When Fulhead Land says that he in essence only helps out newbies when they go to The Lexicon, then his only goal in TNP for newbies would be to get them to Lexicon, and what better way to do that than make it look like crap? It seems logical to me that he'd want to try to make this region look unappealing for personal gain. He can prove me wrong in actions.

The Lexicon has gained its around 1000 member nations from all the Feeders, including TNP, by an extremely good recruiting team, working very hard and by providing a place that newbies and oldbies actually enjoy and want to stay in.

If your assertion was correct then we would be going around all the Feeders trying to make them 'look bad'. As far as I'm aware members of The Lexicon post very rarely at all on the other Feeder forums.

Your victim mentality is appalling, especially since you haven't left. What does that mean? It means you still think you can change this region, but refuse to try through non-harassmental methods.

Who precisely has Fulhead harrassed? You could more easily argue that Fulhead has been harrassed by the attempt to bring charges against him on an issue which has been posted about many times, including by Grosseschnauzer, former Chief Justice. Non-TNP nations are not held to the oath made by the TNP member nation.

Besides, what ARE your ideas for this region, hmm? Either you're:

1. Really not concerned about this region and just paying lip service to that idea
2. Really are concerned but have no actual ideas

Pick one stance and change it for the better.

Well I realise your question was directed at Fulhead but here's a few ideas for starters:

1) Actively recruit nations born in TNP to the regional forum.
2) Ensure that those elected do the actual job they're elected to, to provide some interest in the region - with new ideas and new initiatives.
3) Ensure that the voice of all is heard in the RA - not just the 'old timers'.
4) Radically streamline the Constitution to make it a document that newbies will have an interest in both reading and changing - the Constitution ought to be a living document not written in stone forever, end of story.
5) Encourage free speech and exchange of ideas rather than the heavy handed use of moderation. Make moderation the rule of last resort for things which really do breach Invisionfree's ToS.
6) Take all regulation away from OOC. It's 'spam' and supposed to be. It's a place to relax and have fun, not to be moderated because you veered slightly off topic. Ensure that WWPN is actually scored, it gives people more interest if there's points and a league table.
7) Encourage debate on UN resolutions rather than just posting of For/Against votes. I'm not sure which 'Ministry' it would fall under but anyone can do it. Post your stance, explain why and then be prepared to debate in a sensible/friendly fashion.
8) Instead of just banning recruiters off the RMB actually use it for regional 'chat'. Welcome newbies there. Encourage them to post there and again use it to direct people to the forum.
 
PS. If we are talking about persecution, I would be interested to know why my wife Cruithne has been IP banned from the Lexicon forum, when neither she nor I have once posted there. Cruithne is not hugely bothered, but the side effect of banning her is that I am banned also!
Apologies for the double post but I've been meaning to check this out for a couple of days and not had time.

There is no member 'Cruithne' registered on The Lexicon forum.

The only close IP match to Flemingovia's has made one post and was last active on our forum over 2 months ago. Therefore by Flemingovia's assertion cannot be his wife either.
 
By agreeing to read the following, you accept the terms that:

1. You are not nursing or pregnant
2. The Author is expressing his personal opinion.

Looks awfully like trolling from where I sit.

Fulhead and the other Founders of The Lexicon spent years in TNP trying to help newbies and trying to develop the region into the sort of region you would expect a Feeder to be.

However, a small minority here do not want that. They prefer to play wars of words, they thrive on conflict. They do not want to build something, they perfer to destory and let stagnation and apathy have their day.

A few of us grew tired of that and decided it was time to create a region that could embody some of what we had tried to achieve in TNP.

So, we created The Lexicon, which grew astonishingly - well beyond what we dreamed of when it was launched 5 months ago today.

But The Lexicon isn't build on undermining TNP. In fact most people in The Lexicon neither know much about TNP and probably care even less. They are Lexiconians, proud to be so and having a fantastic time in the busiest community in the game.

And let's not forget where this current set of hostilities between TNP and The Lexicon began. It began with a post by Fleminigovia. That post was clearly intended to get a reaction, which of course it did.

Have you ever considered that the people who want to wage the verbal and word wars are you? Have you ever considered that because you can't stand others having fun and taking a new direction, you didn't have to try and verbally abuse every single member of these boards?

When Fulhead Land says that he in essence only helps out newbies when they go to The Lexicon, then his only goal in TNP for newbies would be to get them to Lexicon, and what better way to do that than make it look like cr*p? It seems logical to me that he'd want to try to make this region look unappealing for personal gain. He can prove me wrong in actions.

Go start your own region and run it, fine, but don't come to these boards just to harass others who you disagree with for fun, and then blame everything on them.

Asides that iagree.gif with Cathyy, and Eras and others, dont think I dont care about TNP. i was born here, i played here for many years. If i felt able to help here maybe I would be here more often. Maybe I would never have formed a region of my own. But lets face it, my views and the views of many others havent been valued or wanted here for many many months!

Despite what you might say, even you know that's untrue. Your victim mentality is appalling, especially since you haven't left. What does that mean? It means you still think you can change this region, but refuse to try through non-harassmental methods.

Besides, what ARE your ideas for this region, hmm? Either you're:

1. Really not concerned about this region and just paying lip service to that idea
2. Really are concerned but have no actual ideas

Pick one stance and change it for the better.
Rack him.

My thoughts exactly.
 
Ahh so only you are allowed to have an 'author's opinion'. Everyone who posts with their personal opinion is obviously telling lies.

Thank you for noticing the obvious. :yes:

The Lexicon has gained its around 1000 member nations from all the Feeders, including TNP, by an extremely good recruiting team, working very hard and by providing a place that newbies and oldbies actually enjoy and want to stay in.

If your assertion was correct then we would be going around all the Feeders trying to make them 'look bad'. As far as I'm aware members of The Lexicon post very rarely at all on the other Feeder forums.

However, he has no incentive to help out TNP at all, because such a case would conflict with helping his own region. Thus, he's not going to help out newbies, and by doing that it makes this region look worse. QED.

Who precisely has Fulhead harrassed? You could more easily argue that Fulhead has been harrassed by the attempt to bring charges against him on an issue which has been posted about many times, including by Grosseschnauzer, former Chief Justice. Non-TNP nations are not held to the oath made by the TNP member nation.

Hm, good point. I'm going to try to change some laws here so that it's the person and not the nation that will be responsible for the actions.

Well I realise your question was directed at Fulhead but here's a few ideas for starters:

1) Actively recruit nations born in TNP to the regional forum.
2) Ensure that those elected do the actual job they're elected to, to provide some interest in the region - with new ideas and new initiatives.
3) Ensure that the voice of all is heard in the RA - not just the 'old timers'.
4) Radically streamline the Constitution to make it a document that newbies will have an interest in both reading and changing - the Constitution ought to be a living document not written in stone forever, end of story.
5) Encourage free speech and exchange of ideas rather than the heavy handed use of moderation. Make moderation the rule of last resort for things which really do breach Invisionfree's ToS.
6) Take all regulation away from OOC. It's 'spam' and supposed to be. It's a place to relax and have fun, not to be moderated because you veered slightly off topic. Ensure that WWPN is actually scored, it gives people more interest if there's points and a league table.
7) Encourage debate on UN resolutions rather than just posting of For/Against votes. I'm not sure which 'Ministry' it would fall under but anyone can do it. Post your stance, explain why and then be prepared to debate in a sensible/friendly fashion.
8) Instead of just banning recruiters off the RMB actually use it for regional 'chat'. Welcome newbies there. Encourage them to post there and again use it to direct people to the forum.

ZOMG REAL IDEAS! FROM CATHYY! :toast:

1. Ok, good idea.
2. Ok, good idea.
3. I thought everyone could join the RA and express their opinions.
4. I thought we were trying to do that.
5. Ok.
6. This, of course, would lead to several violations of the InvisionFree ToS from the obscene stuff. Plus, it encourages bad behavior.
7. Not that hard.
8. Ok, good idea.
 
Well I realise your question was directed at Fulhead but here's a few ideas for starters:

1) Actively recruit nations born in TNP to the regional forum.
2) Ensure that those elected do the actual job they're elected to, to provide some interest in the region - with new ideas and new initiatives.
3) Ensure that the voice of all is heard in the RA - not just the 'old timers'.
4) Radically streamline the Constitution to make it a document that newbies will have an interest in both reading and changing - the Constitution ought to be a living document not written in stone forever, end of story.
5) Encourage free speech and exchange of ideas rather than the heavy handed use of moderation. Make moderation the rule of last resort for things which really do breach Invisionfree's ToS.
6) Take all regulation away from OOC. It's 'spam' and supposed to be. It's a place to relax and have fun, not to be moderated because you veered slightly off topic. Ensure that WWPN is actually scored, it gives people more interest if there's points and a league table.
7) Encourage debate on UN resolutions rather than just posting of For/Against votes. I'm not sure which 'Ministry' it would fall under but anyone can do it. Post your stance, explain why and then be prepared to debate in a sensible/friendly fashion.
8) Instead of just banning recruiters off the RMB actually use it for regional 'chat'. Welcome newbies there. Encourage them to post there and again use it to direct people to the forum.

ZOMG REAL IDEAS! FROM CATHYY! :toast:

1. Ok, good idea.
2. Ok, good idea.
3. I thought everyone could join the RA and express their opinions.
4. I thought we were trying to do that.
5. Ok.
6. This, of course, would lead to several violations of the InvisionFree ToS from the obscene stuff. Plus, it encourages bad behavior.
7. Not that hard.
8. Ok, good idea.
1) I'm pretty sure this is being done, at least to a certain extent (I know FEC's endotarting TG's include invitations to join the forum, for example).

2) Would it help if specific domains for Ministers were removed and we just had Ministers and a Prime Minister? I guess that the NPA would have to be granted some separation, as we wouldn't want every elected Minister to have power over it, but other than that, it could help things move quicker and keep one Minister from being pigeonholed in a position without much to do.

3) Certainly anyone can, SWA, though just as certainly most newcomers are going to be intimidated. There is also always going to be a tendency to take something said by a member who has been here longer more seriously than something said by a newcomer, especially if it is something that involves a drastic change to the Constitution. That is just a natural part of human nature, but that should not be an excuse. We should always try to be on guard against those feelings. As it is, we may spend effort to get nations to join the Assembly, but once they are in we just let them go off on their own and expect them to magically understand how everything works and immediately jump in without a problem.

4) Random Fact: The RL United States Constitution has 4,437 words, the TNP Constitution has 9,968. Does anyone really think we need a Constitution that long? Is every word vital to the welfare of this region? In my eyes, TNP has developed a government that can no longer be sustained by the game. Simply put, there are not as many nations as there once were. The entire game is less active. I'm not going to start blowing the Horn of Doom and eulogize NationStates, but this is a fact that we must take into consideration. NationStates is smaller, we must adapt. We should seriously look at what our options are, including reshaping and cutting down the Constitution and Government (remove the Security Council, remove or merge various Ministries, etc).

5) I agree. I have long felt that actual debate tends to be quickly clamped down the moment something becomes heated, with vague assertions of rule-breaking, flaming, and, my favorite, flame-baiting. Flame-baiting only becomes flame-bait if you take the bait. As Flem realized in IRC, "flame-bait" can take the guise of even the most innocent post. I assure you, if I were to try hard enough, I could twist most any post on these boards into flame-bait. The Platinum Rule: Ignore the trolls. If you see something that is bait, don't take it. Eventually the baiter will either get desperate for attention and do something truly offensive or just get bored and leave. And, please, stop hiding behind the magical ToS. If someone is being obstructive and purposely making it as difficult as they can for people to have legitimate conversations or debates on these forums, remove them. But be honest about it. In all seriousness, our rulings need more Ivan and less Twoslit.

6) I've never been a big OOCer or spammer, but I recognize the importance of it to TNP. For as long as I've known, it has been the lifeblood of this region. I can't comment on how regulated it is because I don't pay much attention, but unless someone starts posting truly obscene things or disrupting topics that are designed to be serious, not spam, there really should no regulation.

7) Also, I've never been that big of a UN person, and have only voted on maybe two or three resolutions my entire NS career, most of the time I don't even look at that part of the forum, but anything that encourages reasoned debate (and, thus, activity) of any kind is good by me.

8) Something I've seen suggested over and over again, but no one ever seems to be able to keep it up for very long.
 
However, he has no incentive to help out TNP at all, because such a case would conflict with helping his own region. Thus, he's not going to help out newbies, and by doing that it makes this region look worse.

Do you realise how many people have their own regions or regions that they hold high positions in aside from TNP? Do they all have conflicts of interests?

Does Limi use his presence in TNP as a recruitment opportunity for Empire of the Sun?
Does Gross actively recruit from TNP for... the region he is in?
Does Eras use her seat in the delegacy to recruit for the Illuminate?
Does Blue Wolf II use his presence as an opportunity to recruit for Lone Wolves United?
Do I use it to recruit for Aurora?

To accuse one person of such conflicts of interest without proof and then say that they must prove you wrong by actions is to accuse all the people, and many more, listed above.
 
ZOMG REAL IDEAS! FROM CATHYY! :toast:
Cathyy actually has always had good ideas and an extremely good understanding of what makes NS tick and how to get more people involved!! The Lexicon is not successful by chance and it was also no coincidence that she was the most endorsed Delegate in NS for a period of time!! Your chronic tunnel vision with regards to people with a different approach to the game probably meant you missed most of what she suggested and implemented!! That and the fact that you are selectively active and general a "never do well" in NationStates!!

As for Fulhead's incentive to help TNP, how is his incentive any less than the many other members of the RA with stronger ties to other regions?! You know, the ones that come out of the woodwork each election and then quickly disappear?!

Heft has pretty much covered what I would have said with regards to Cathyy's suggestions!!
 
Well SWA thanks for making this thread a great one to read, your open attitude is an inspiration to us all

When Fulhead Land says that he in essence only helps out newbies when they go to The Lexicon, then his only goal in TNP for newbies would be to get them to Lexicon, and what better way to do that than make it look like cr*p? It seems logical to me that he'd want to try to make this region look unappealing for personal gain. He can prove me wrong in actions.

again, its THE lexicon, get it right! mios dios!

No SWA tahts not what i'm doing, show me that I'm doing that please!


ZOMG REAL IDEAS! FROM CATHYY!

Now tell me how thats not flaming or trolling???????

To accuse one person of such conflicts of interest without proof and then say that they must prove you wrong by actions is to accuse all the people, and many more, listed above.

Exactly!

1. Ok, good idea.
2. Ok, good idea.
3. I thought everyone could join the RA and express their opinions.
4. I thought we were trying to do that.
5. Ok.
6. This, of course, would lead to several violations of the InvisionFree ToS from the obscene stuff. Plus, it encourages bad behavior.
7. Not that hard.
8. Ok, good idea.

Many good ideas from Cath, eh?
And as for
6. This, of course, would lead to several violations of the InvisionFree ToS from the obscene stuff. Plus, it encourages bad behavior.
You must be kidding! You really think that? dont be stupid. Look, ask someone here for a link to the old TNP forums on s2. You'll see that the unregulated OOC was the best part of the forums. it was constantly active and until the root admin went pshyco...twice, there was no hint of it being flaming or trolling. You see the ooc was always TNPs strong point. In fact, go away now and PM indiegirl. ask her what ooc was like in the good old days and see what she says!

Go start your own region and run it, fine, but don't come to these boards just to harass others who you disagree with for fun, and then blame everything on them.
again, shhow me where i have harrases someone please! No-one? thank you!

Your victim mentality is appalling, especially since you haven't left.
Seeing as you have no idea of this regions recent history, especially with regards to myself and teh court battles and persecution I have faced. When you know what your chatting about come and talk!
 
Yeah, well, the Welsh can be touchy. Only time I have ever been in a bar fight was in Cardiff.

Someone (not me) made a comment about the Irish beating the Welsh at rugby. Then realised he was outnumbered 50 to 1.

PS this is intended as humour, not to insult the Irish. Thank you.
 
Well SWA thanks for making this thread a great one to read, your open attitude is an inspiration to us all

You're welcome.

again, its THE lexicon, get it right! mios dios!

No SWA tahts not what i'm doing, show me that I'm doing that please!

You're not helping out (or claiming to not help out unless the go to THE Lexicon) TNP newbies.

Now tell me how thats not flaming or trolling??????

Because I'm acknowledging that those ideas are good?

To accuse one person of such conflicts of interest without proof and then say that they must prove you wrong by actions is to accuse all the people, and many more, listed above.

Yeah, except none of those people have said (corrected for spelling):

And yeah I do help newbies regularly. Unfortunately that has to happen later when they come through to The Lexicon.

Many good ideas from Cath, eh?

Yes...

You must be kidding! You really think that? dont be stupid. Look, ask someone here for a link to the old TNP forums on s2. You'll see that the unregulated OOC was the best part of the forums. it was constantly active and until the root admin went pshyco...twice, there was no hint of it being flaming or trolling. You see the ooc was always TNPs strong point. In fact, go away now and PM indiegirl. ask her what ooc was like in the good old days and see what she says!

There is still the possibility, and I don't like that chance.

again, shhow me where i have harrases someone please! No-one? thank you!

Damn, it is true that you've kept everything civil and made fluffy bunny rabbits appear.

Seeing as you have no idea of this regions recent history, especially with regards to myself and teh court battles and persecution I have faced. When you know what your chatting about come and talk!

Touche. Now to read those court cases and...stuff. :bar:
 
Go to the old forum, old chap, and see how much "flaming" there is in the OOC forum.

...I do find the emphasis on minor insults and mild taunts somewhat juvenile. If I tell Fulhead he is a horribly misshapen bastard he isn't going to go to bed with a tear-dampened pillow even if I meant it (which I do).
 
Go to the old forum, old chap, and see how much "flaming" there is in the OOC forum.

...I do find the emphasis on minor insults and mild taunts somewhat juvenile. If I tell Fulhead he is a horribly misshapen bastard he isn't going to go to bed with a tear-dampened pillow even if I meant it (which I do).
:fish:

Puts the TLA on standy :P
 
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