mcmasterdonia
05/27/2019
Ghost should be fired for allowing the utilisation of state owned media to brain wash our citizens and proselytise for the catholic faith
Empress Tlomz
05/27/2019
Flemingovianism is being threatened by the ostentatious display of heresy. Something really should be done
mcmasterdonia
05/27/2019
It comes down to whether or not we value the separation of church and state. In the case of Flemingovianism there is an IC imperative that we don’t.
In the case of Catholicism there is both an IC and OOC imperative that we don’t allow our institutions to be hijacked by fascism
@El Fiji Grande I urge you to intervene immediately
Bob, Deputy Minister of Gloria
05/27/2019
We must not allow ourselves to succumb to such a menace.
I second this.
mcmasterdonia
05/27/2019
@Ghost (Pallaith) resign
Bob, Deputy Minister of Gloria
05/27/2019
@El Fiji Grande resign
mcmasterdonia
05/27/2019
If Fiji refuses to fire ghost then that might be necessary
Bob, Deputy Minister of Gloria
05/27/2019
Which is why I proposed it
mcmasterdonia
05/27/2019
If he does resign, I hope you run.
We will need to restore order quickly. The NPA can help you enforce martial law.
Bob, Deputy Minister of Gloria
05/27/2019
Of course. I can smooth the ship, ensure an actually speedy transition, and ensure our enemies are cleansed.
Prydania
05/28/2019
so joking aside....
let's say Nightsong and I had done a show on Judaism. Would it have received this backlash?
Prydania
05/28/2019
@El Fiji Grande regardless, I don't have a dog in the Catholic NBS show kurffufle.
That being said...I'm not keen on limiting the University to NS-only topics. That would neuter a lot of its potential.
If that's come from MA, the Chancellor, I'll talk to him. I'm just stating my case here in the event that it's an edict that came from above.
El Fiji Grande
05/28/2019
I'm going to make a post about this in a bit. Working on it now.
Prydania
05/28/2019
Regardless, I feel like I need to protest if a change is being made to TNPU without my consultation. I don't think I'm reaching to say that TNPU falls under Culture's purview.
@mcmasterdonia @bob, Deputy Minister of Gloria
Bob, Deputy Minister of Gloria
05/28/2019
no way it would have received the same backlash if I'm being real, Pry
but in any event
Prydania
05/28/2019
on the issue of TNP Uni, I've reached out to the Chancellor, and he has yet to hear of any plan to restrict content to NS-only matters.
Bob, Deputy Minister of Gloria
05/28/2019
from what I knew I had no clue that the university as well is being restricted to NS only
that wasn't clear to me
all I gleaned was that this applied to NBS
Prydania
05/28/2019
Wondress, in his thread, is going on about TNP Uni being NS only
which concerned me as neither myself or the Chancellor were consulted on that
Bob, Deputy Minister of Gloria
05/28/2019
@El Fiji Grande is that the case?
Empress Tlomz
05/28/2019
I have no issue with it. As long as me and
@mcmasterdonia get to do our joint podcast
Bob, Deputy Minister of Gloria
05/28/2019
I think the university should remain open to all.
Prydania
05/28/2019
yeah
Bob, Deputy Minister of Gloria
05/28/2019
hell even NBS, but that's my personal stance and the executive decision falls on Fiji and Ghost for such[/b]
El Fiji Grande
05/28/2019
Here's my post responding to the recent controversy:
https://forum.thenorthpacific.org/topic/9190528/#post-10240627
It explains my thoughts and reasoning for each decision made, and gives an overview of the whole history of NBS for clarity.
I have to go for now, though, so I won't be able to hear any responses for a few hours.
Prydania
05/28/2019
@El Fiji Grande thank you for your clarification on the matter
El Fiji Grande
05/28/2019
Talk to you in a bit. Let me know if you have any further concerns.
Prydania
05/30/2019
@El Fiji Grande I've been talking to MA about TNP University and your recent clarification re: the sort of content that government-operated outlets will produce.
I feel that TNP University thrives by being a place to discuss anything that may be of academic interest. As such both myself and MA as Chancellor of TNP University would prefer it if the Uni were made independent of the Ministry of Culture, and thus the TNP government.(edited)
El Fiji Grande
05/30/2019
I'd agree with that.
Prydania
05/30/2019
I can make a statement to that effect, letting the University "go"
El Fiji Grande
05/30/2019
It might be necessary to also create an independent charter for the university
Prydania
05/30/2019
nods
I'll let MA know
https://forum.thenorthpacific.org/topic/9190331/
that might be a good foundation for that
El Fiji Grande
05/30/2019
Indeed. You can take inspiration from the NSToday charter
Marcus Antonius
05/30/2019
Exciting times
El Fiji Grande
05/30/2019
@mcmasterdonia - you wondered how NBS would handle someone trying to upload Nazi or otherwise grossly inappropriate or extremist content. Much of this new policy is derived from handling extreme cases by setting a clear precedent that government productions can only handle NS-related topics. However, even when the University is no longer attached to the government, I'm certain complaints will be raised at these sort of topics.
@Prydania @Marcus Antonius - it might be worth considering how the University will handle these sort of topics.
Prydania
05/30/2019
nods
I'll pass it along
also this
https://forum.thenorthpacific.org/topic/9190543/
El Fiji Grande
05/30/2019
TNPU will ultimately be liable to admins then, as opposed to the IC TNP government
Prydania
05/30/2019
nods
@El Fiji Grande could you find me a link to NSToday's charter? I can't seem to find it
El Fiji Grande
05/30/2019
Sure
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3cOjCOrEmAwdaoUOkavxIZdjU1_w2nrmIi4nqNGQBw/edit?usp=sharing
Prydania
05/30/2019
thanks!
El Fiji Grande
05/30/2019
Depends on how serious you'd like it to be.
I think having a preamble/statement of purpose combined with a formalized version of what you posted earlier that Marcus Antonius had created for TNPU would be enough.
Prydania
05/30/2019
nods
I'll let him know!
mcmasterdonia
05/30/2019
That was a very quick decision on the university. I’m not very fond of decision making on the run.
It leaves a huge number of questions about how it will operate and who will appoint the Chancellor
Also presumably means we have to go through another level of approval if we want to use the universities for government events
Bob, Deputy Minister of Gloria
05/30/2019
Personally? I would like to see the Chancellor appointed by the Delegate, in the same vein as the Lead GA
mcmasterdonia
05/30/2019
That’s how it used to be done anyway. MiniCult would advise the Delegate of some options and they’d make a choice. Or the Delegate goes off and does it themselves.
Bob, Deputy Minister of Gloria
05/30/2019
That's how I'd like to see it done, in lieu of a Minister of Entertainment.
Ghost (Pallaith)
05/30/2019
I’m generally very wary of anything being carved out of the government. It should only happen when there’s a very clear issue with it being run by the government and it’s the best way to keep it going. I don’t believe this situation was enough to warrant this extraordinary step. I will note that utilizing the university was something I wanted to do last term and it proved more elusive than I thought. There’s a variety of reasons for this, and it’s fair to say that with Culture doing everything it does, the university sometimes is tricky to fold into the rest of the business. It may do better this way, but it very much will be an experiment.
I think that things like this should probably go around the room first in the future. It’s sometimes hard to take something like this back, though I suspect the university will more easily lend itself to collaboration with the government than...other things might, and I think if it needs the help it can always be reincorporated in the future
Bob, Deputy Minister of Gloria
05/30/2019
^^^
mcmasterdonia
05/30/2019
I was also the Delegate that brought back the university from the dead. It was buried deep in the archives because it had been privatised and then had a ridiculous charter and it died.
The beauty of it being in government is we can take it in any direction required and can change who runs it and how it’s run at any time
Ghost (Pallaith)
05/30/2019
It’s my understanding this decision was made specifically to seek a solution to the controversy about RL topics being the subject of broadcasts even if they’re sponsored by the university
We never really talked about that here, instead there were several conversations scattered around. That’s why I think it would be helpful in the future if we as a cabinet are involved in these sorts of things, so that we can more easily find a consensus and a cohesive uniform policy
El Fiji Grande
05/30/2019
Good points above on TNPU.
I'll keep that in mind going forward.
