NPA Doctrine - Clarfications and Modernization Proposal

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Hi everyone!

For a while now we at the NPA have been complaining about how our doctrine hasn't (until recently) substantially changed to adapt to how we really do things. So, over the last month or so we've been drafting a new version of the doctrine to reflect some unofficial procedures we have adopted. We additionally changed some sections to reduce redundancy and improve readability.

So, I present to this Assembly the draft of our updated doctrine:

1. The North Pacific Army Armed Forces (the NPAF) has five primary purposes:
  • a. To protect and defend the region of The North Pacific;
  • b. To protect and defend the allies of The North Pacific;
  • c. To assist the allies and friends of The North Pacific in whatever capacity is available;
  • d. To maintain a well trained military; and
  • e. To implement regional defense and diplomatic policies as adopted under the laws of The North Pacific.

2.The NPAF is always permitted, consistent with adopted regional defense and diplomatic policies, to deploy under the following circumstances:
  • a. To counter or preemptively stop a direct threat to The North Pacific or to an ally of The North Pacific.
    i) A direct threat to The North Pacific or to an ally of The North Pacific;
    ii) A direct threat to an ally of The North Pacific
  • b. To assist a region or organization as permitted by the delegate, an existing treaty, or the Executive Officer charged with military affairs.
  • c. Upon the orders of the appointed Executive Officer charged with military affairs or a person thus delegated to act in their name;
  • d. The Regional Assembly may mandate that the NPAF follow through on a declaration of war or a policy approved by the Regional Assembly.
3. The NPAF must follow all of the following criteria on every mission in foreign regions, except against designated enemy regions:
  • a. Minimize collateral damage;
  • b. Respect the culture of the region and the wishes of the natives;
  • c. Minimize threat to The North Pacific and allies;
  • d. Provide natives with means to restore the region to its original state before leaving; the region's WFE prior to NPA occupation by the means of posting it in the RMB; and
  • e. Contact the most recent native delegate when acting proactively.
4. The NPAF must operate so that:
  • a. The Delegate can issue a blanket approval for the NPAF to work with a given organisation. The Executive Officer charged with military affairs or the Delegate must still authorize individual missions.
  • b. Any NPAF member may refuse to take part in any mission which does not directly impact TNP security for any reason that the Executive Officer charged with military affairs or the Delegate determines is reasonable.
  • c. The Regional Assembly may override by simple majority vote any NPAF deployment not previously approved by the Regional Assembly. The Speaker shall accept motions to override for voting on an expedited basis.
  • d. The Regional Assembly is promptly informed of any NPAF operation upon deployment, with the exception of operations which the Delegate specifically classifies. The Regional Assembly must be promptly informed of any classified operation, as well as the reasons for the classification, as soon as possible following deployment.
5. The NPAF must not do the following except following: (a) a regional consensus toward a region at war with TNP or (b) a request from a recognized government in exile of that region or (c) in game-created warzones:
  • a. Remove any residents from an invaded region that resided in the region prior to said invasion;
  • b. Act with any degree of disrespect; and
  • c. Alter the region's chosen embassy list against the wishes of the region's natives.
6. The NPAF leadership is empowered with the ability to determine the cosmetic details of military, including name, ranks and insignia, pending the outcome of a poll of active NPAF members.

7. Multiple Military Policy
  • a. A member of the NPA cannot, in any case, be a member of another military organization.
  • b. However, if a member of the NPA wishes to participate in an operation outside of the NPA, they may do so if:
    • i) They obtain permission from the Delegate, the Executive charged with Military Affairs, or a person thus delegated to act in their name.
    • ii) They do not represent The North Pacific or the NPA in any way, cosmetic or otherwise.
  • c. Persons not part of the NPA may participate in NPA operations with the approval of the Delegate or the executive charged with military affairs.
1. The North Pacific Army (the NPA) has five primary purposes:
  • a. To protect and defend the region of The North Pacific;
  • b. To protect and defend the allies of The North Pacific;
  • c. To assist the allies and friends of The North Pacific in whatever capacity is available;
  • d. To maintain a well trained military; and
  • e. To implement regional defense and diplomatic policies as adopted under the laws of The North Pacific.

2.The NPA is always permitted, consistent with adopted regional defense and diplomatic policies, to deploy under the following circumstances:
  • a. To counter or preemptively stop a direct threat to The North Pacific or to an ally of The North Pacific.
  • b. To assist a region or organization as permitted by the delegate, an existing treaty, or the Executive Officer charged with military affairs.
  • c. Upon the orders of the appointed Executive Officer charged with military affairs or a person thus delegated to act in their name;
  • d. The Regional Assembly may mandate that the NPA follow through on a declaration of war or a policy approved by the Regional Assembly.
3. The NPA must follow all of the following criteria on every mission in foreign regions, except against designated enemy regions:
  • a. Minimize collateral damage;
  • b. Respect the culture of the region and the wishes of the natives;
  • c. Minimize threat to The North Pacific and allies;
  • d. Provide natives the region’s WFE prior to NPA occupation by the means of posting it in the RMB; and
  • e. Contact the most recent native delegate when acting proactively.
4. The NPA must operate so that:
  • a. The Delegate can issue a blanket approval for the NPAF to work with a given organisation. The Executive Officer charged with military affairs or the Delegate must still authorize individual missions.
  • b. Any NPA member may refuse to take part in any mission which does not directly impact TNP security for any reason that the Executive Officer charged with military affairs or the Delegate determines is reasonable.
  • c. The Regional Assembly may override by simple majority vote any NPA deployment not previously approved by the Regional Assembly. The Speaker shall accept motions to override for voting on an expedited basis.
  • d. The Regional Assembly is promptly informed of any NPA operation upon deployment, with the exception of operations which the Delegate specifically classifies. The Regional Assembly must be promptly informed of any classified operation, as well as the reasons for the classification, as soon as possible following deployment.
5. The NPA must not do the following except following: (a) a regional consensus toward a region at war with TNP or (b) a request from a recognized government in exile of that region or (c) in game-created warzones:
  • a. Remove any residents from an invaded region that resided in the region prior to said invasion;
  • b. Act with any degree of disrespect; and
  • c. Alter the region's chosen embassy list against the wishes of the region's natives.
6. The NPA leadership is empowered with the ability to determine the cosmetic details of military, including name, ranks and insignia, pending the outcome of a poll of active NPA members.

7. Multiple Military Policy
  • a. A member of the NPA cannot, in any case, be a member of another military organization.
  • b. However, if a member of the NPA wishes to participate in an operation outside of the NPA, they may do so if:
    • i) They obtain permission from the Delegate, the Executive charged with Military Affairs, or a person thus delegated to act in their name.
    • ii) They do not represent The North Pacific or the NPA in any way, cosmetic or otherwise.
  • c. Persons not part of the NPA may participate in NPA operations with the approval of the Delegate or the executive charged with military affairs.

Note: Additions in Bold, Deletions Struckthrough
1. The North Pacific Army Armed Forces (the NPAF) has five primary purposes:
  • a. To protect and defend the region of The North Pacific;
  • b. To protect and defend the allies of The North Pacific;
  • c. To assist the allies and friends of The North Pacific in whatever capacity is available;
  • d. To maintain a well trained military; and
  • e. To implement regional defense and diplomatic policies as adopted under the laws of The North Pacific.

2. The NPA High Command shall direct all the internal affairs of the NPA. Its members consist of:
  • a. The current delegate of The North Pacific;
  • b. The executive charged with military affairs;
  • c. All Generals of the NPA as defined in sections 7 and 8 of this doctrine; and
  • d. Any soldier appointed by the executive charged with military affairs to represent them.

2. 3. The NPAF is always permitted, consistent with adopted regional defense and diplomatic policies, to deploy under the following circumstances:
  • a. To counter or preemptively stop a direct threat to The North Pacific or to an ally of The North Pacific.
    i) A direct threat to The North Pacific or to an ally of The North Pacific;
    ii) A direct threat to an ally of The North Pacific
  • b. To assist a region or organization as permitted by the delegate, an existing treaty, or the Executive Officer charged with military affairs.
  • c. Upon the orders of the appointed Executive Officer charged with military affairs or a person thus delegated to act in their name; High Command.
  • d. The Regional Assembly may mandate that the NPAF follow through on a declaration of war or a policy approved by the Regional Assembly.
3. 4. The NPAF must follow all of the following criteria on every mission in foreign regions, except against designated enemy regions:
  • a. Minimize collateral damage;
  • b. Respect the culture of the region and the wishes of the natives;
  • c. Minimize threat to The North Pacific and allies;
  • d. Provide natives with means to restore the region to its original state before leaving; the region’s WFE prior to NPA occupation by the means of posting it in the RMB; and
  • e. Contact the most recent native delegate when acting proactively.
4. 5. The NPAF must operate so that:
  • a. The Delegate can issue a blanket approval for the NPAF to work with a given organisation. The Executive Officer charged with military affairs or the Delegate must still authorize individual missions.
  • b. Any NPAF member may refuse to take part in any mission which does not directly impact TNP security for any reason that the Executive Officer charged with military affairs or the Delegate determines is reasonable.
  • c. The Regional Assembly may override by simple majority vote any NPAF deployment not previously approved by the Regional Assembly. The Speaker shall accept motions to override for voting on an expedited basis.
  • d. The Regional Assembly is promptly informed of any NPAF operation upon deployment, with the exception of operations which the Delegate specifically classifies. The Regional Assembly must be promptly informed of any classified operation, as well as the reasons for the classification, as soon as possible following deployment.
5. 6. The NPAF must not do the following except following: (a) a regional consensus toward a region at war with TNP or (b) a request from a recognized government in exile of that region or (c) in game-created warzones:
  • a. Remove any residents from an invaded region that resided in the region prior to said invasion;
  • b. Act with any degree of disrespect; and
  • c. Alter the region's chosen embassy list against the wishes of the region's natives.
6. 7. The NPAF leadership High Command is empowered with the ability to determine the cosmetic details of military, including name, ranks and insignia, including ranks outside of the High Command, insignia, and name, pending the outcome of a poll of active NPAF members.

8. Any soldier who shows extraordinary skill and loyalty to the NPA and The North Pacific may be promoted to sit on the High Command as a General. Prospective Generals are recommended by the executive charged with military affairs to the current Generals, who then holds a vote to appoint the prospective General. A General may only be removed by a vote of the Generals, by loss of NPA membership, or by voluntary resignation.


9. Multiple Military Policy
  • a. A member of the NPA cannot, in any case, be a member of another military organization.
  • b. However, if a member of the NPA wishes to participate in an operation outside of the NPA, they may do so if:
    • i) They obtain permission from the High Command
    • ii) They do not represent The North Pacific or the NPA in any way, cosmetic or otherwise.
  • c. Persons not part of the NPA may participate in NPA operations with the approval of the Delegate or the executive charged with military affairs.

1. The North Pacific Army (the NPA) has five primary purposes:
  • a. To protect and defend the region of The North Pacific;
  • b. To protect and defend the allies of The North Pacific;
  • c. To assist the allies and friends of The North Pacific in whatever capacity is available;
  • d. To maintain a well trained military; and
  • e. To implement regional defense and diplomatic policies as adopted under the laws of The North Pacific.
2. The NPA High Command shall direct all the internal affairs of the NPA. Its members consist of:
  • a. The current delegate of The North Pacific;
  • b. The executive charged with military affairs;
  • c. All Generals of the NPA as defined in sections 7 and 8 of this doctrine; and
  • d. Any soldier appointed by the executive charged with military affairs to represent them.
3. The NPA is always permitted, consistent with adopted regional defense and diplomatic policies, to deploy under the following circumstances:
  • a. To counter or preemptively stop a direct threat to The North Pacific or to an ally of The North Pacific
  • b. To assist a region or organization as permitted by the delegate, an existing treaty, or the Executive Officer charged with military affairs.
  • c. Upon the orders of the High Command.
  • d. The Regional Assembly may mandate that the NPA follow through on a declaration of war or a policy approved by the Regional Assembly.
4. The NPA must follow all of the following criteria on every mission in foreign regions, except against designated enemy regions:
  • a. Minimize collateral damage;
  • b. Respect the culture of the region and the wishes of the natives;
  • c. Minimize threat to The North Pacific and allies;
  • d. Provide natives with the region’s WFE prior to NPA occupation by the means of posting it in the RMB; and
  • e. Contact the most recent native delegate when acting proactively.
5. The NPA must operate so that:
  • a. The Delegate can issue a blanket approval for the NPA to work with a given organisation. The Executive Officer charged with military affairs or the Delegate must still authorize individual missions.
  • b. Any NPA member may refuse to take part in any mission which does not directly impact TNP security for any reason that the Executive Officer charged with military affairs or the Delegate determines is reasonable.
  • c. The Regional Assembly may override by simple majority vote any NPA deployment not previously approved by the Regional Assembly. The Speaker shall accept motions to override for voting on an expedited basis.
  • d. The Regional Assembly is promptly informed of any NPA operation upon deployment, with the exception of operations which the Delegate specifically classifies. The Regional Assembly must be promptly informed of any classified operation, as well as the reasons for the classification, as soon as possible following deployment.
6. The NPA must not do the following except following: (a) a regional consensus toward a region at war with TNP or (b) a request from a recognized government in exile of that region or (c) in game-created warzones:
  • a. Remove any residents from an invaded region that resided in the region prior to said invasion;
  • b. Act with any degree of disrespect; and
  • c. Alter the region's chosen embassy list against the wishes of the region's natives.
7. The NPA High Command is empowered with the ability to determine the cosmetic details of including ranks outside of the High Command, insignia, and name, pending the outcome of a poll of active NPA members.

8. Any soldier who shows extraordinary skill and loyalty to the NPA and The North Pacific may be promoted to sit on the High Command as a General. Prospective Generals are recommended by the executive charged with military affairs to the current Generals, who then holds a vote to appoint the prospective General. A General may only be removed by a vote of the Generals, by loss of NPA membership, or by voluntary resignation.


9. Multiple Military Policy
  • a. A member of the NPA cannot, in any case, be a member of another military organization.
  • b. However, if a member of the NPA wishes to participate in an operation outside of the NPA, they may do so if:
    • i) They obtain permission from the High Command
    • ii) They do not represent The North Pacific or the NPA in any way, cosmetic or otherwise.
  • c. Persons not part of the NPA may participate in NPA operations with the approval of the Delegate or the executive charged with military affairs.

There were a couple of bigger changes we made. The first was the renaming of the NPAF to the NPA in the text, as nobody (including our longest-serving generals) could think of a reason to keep it the NPAF in the doctrine. The new doctrine also officially dictates that NPA members cannot be in more than one military, but can jump with other organizations with the permission of the MoD or Delegate and places restrictions on how they can act while doing so.

Other than that, some small changes to improve clarity while reading. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask here or on Discord.
 
I very much like this proposal, however, I see some small loopholes at the end.
BMW's Proposed New Edits to NPA Doctrine:
8. Any soldier who shows extraordinary skill and loyalty to the NPA and The North Pacific may be promoted to sit on the High Command as a General. Prospective Generals are recommended by the executive charged with military affairs to the current Generals, who then holds a vote to appoint the prospective General. A General may only be removed by a vote of the Generals, by loss of NPA membership, or by voluntary resignation.


9. Multiple Military Policy
a. A member of the NPA cannot, in any case, be a member of another military organization.
b. However, if a member of the NPA wishes to participate in an operation outside of the NPA, they may do so if:
i) They obtain permission from the High Command
ii) They do not represent The North Pacific or the NPA in any way, cosmetic or otherwise.

c. Persons not part of the NPA may participate in NPA operations with the approval of the Delegate or the executive charged with military affairs.
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First of all I would like to look at Section 8.
Section 8.:
Any soldier who shows extraordinary skill and loyalty to the NPA and The North Pacific may be promoted to sit on the High Command as a General. Prospective Generals are recommended by the executive charged with military affairs to the current Generals, who then holds a vote to appoint the prospective General. A General may only be removed by a vote of the Generals, by loss of NPA membership, or by voluntary resignation.
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I'm confused when you say "Any soldier", I would think that an officer would have the privileges to be selected as a nominee for General, as a General becomes part of the High Command and the highest rank in NPA (not including the Delegate as it's the de facto commander in chief as it can appoint a general which is the MoD and is the Head of State/Government and the MoD itself). I would also like to suggest that at the delegate's decree as the NPA serves at the will of the region, even you say:
Section 1.:
a. To protect and defend the region of The North Pacific;
b. To protect and defend the allies of The North Pacific;
c. To assist the allies and friends of The North Pacific in whatever capacity is available;
d. To maintain a well trained military; and
e. To implement regional defense and diplomatic policies as adopted under the laws of The North Pacific.
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And as the Delegate is the region's head of state and government, the delegate is the region's leader, not to mention the Delegate is part of the High Command in Section 2:
Section 2.:
The NPA High Command shall direct all the internal affairs of the NPA. Its members consist of:
a. The current delegate of The North Pacific;
b. The executive charged with military affairs;
c. All Generals of the NPA as defined in sections 7 and 8 of this doctrine; and
d. Any soldier appointed by the executive charged with military affairs to represent them.
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So I would think the Delegate would be able to also have the ability to relieve an general if he has failed to serve at the will of the Delegate and the Region.
This is my edit:
Edited Section 8.:
Any Officer who shows extraordinary skill and loyalty to the NPA and The North Pacific may be promoted to sit on the High Command as a General. Prospective Generals are recommended by the executive charged with military affairs to the current Generals, who then holds a vote to appoint the prospective General. A General may only be removed by a vote of the Generals, by loss of NPA membership, by voluntary resignation, or relieved from duties from the Delegate and if no longer required to serve.
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Now we move onto Section 9:
Section 9.:
9. Multiple Military Policy
a. A member of the NPA cannot, in any case, be a member of another military organization.
b. However, if a member of the NPA wishes to participate in an operation outside of the NPA, they may do so if:
i) They obtain permission from the High Command
ii) They do not represent The North Pacific or the NPA in any way, cosmetic or otherwise.

c. Persons not part of the NPA may participate in NPA operations with the approval of the Delegate or the executive charged with military affairs.
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While I notice part B, I am still not convinced, looking at part A, it shows we cannot serve in our own allies' regional Militaries.
My theory of why you put part A there for was because we don't know if they may spy or leak important information that only the NPA should know, and you have a point, however, in our intelligence sections of our Bilateral Treaties with Eureopia, TRR, TSP, Balder, Albion, Equilism, Greater Dienstad, IDU, Osiris, Stargate, Taijitu, and TEP.
I would say that all of our allies' (Eureopia, TRR, TSP, Balder, Albion, Equilism, Greater Dienstad, IDU, Osiris, Stargate, Taijitu, and TEP) regional military soldiers/officers should be allowed to join the NPA.
Edited Section 9.:
Multiple Military Policy
a. A member of the NPA cannot, in any case, be a member of another military organization that is not authorized or trusted.
b. However, if a member of the NPA wishes to participate in an operation outside of the NPA, they may do so if:
i) They obtain permission from the High Command;
ii) They do not represent The North Pacific or the NPA in any way, cosmetic or otherwise;
iii) They are part of a authorized or trusted military organization;

c. Nations who are not part of the NPA may participate in NPA operations with the approval of the Delegate or the executive charged with military affairs.
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Any soldier can become a General as there is no official definition in this text for Officers. However I see it as very unlikely that a non-officer would get promoted to General but its possible.

The reason the Delegate and MoD should not be able to appoint/revlieve Generals is that we felt that the Generals should be a more permanent body as they direct most of the internal affairs of the military.

As for the multiple military policy, theres very little support for letting our soldiers join other orgs as we feel this causes issues of loyalty.
 
I think that codifying a body of generals who are not commissioned by any elected or appointed official, cannot be removed by any elected or appointed official, nor the Regional Assembly itself (except by abolishing the body entirely) would run afoul of the Bill of Rights:
9. Each Nation in The North Pacific is guaranteed the organization and operation of the governmental authorities of the region on fundamental principles of democracy, accountability, and transparency.
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Emphasis mine.
 
Crushing Our Enemies:
I think that codifying a body of generals who are not commissioned by any elected or appointed official, cannot be removed by any elected or appointed official, nor the Regional Assembly itself (except by abolishing the body entirely) would run afoul of the Bill of Rights:
9. Each Nation in The North Pacific is guaranteed the organization and operation of the governmental authorities of the region on fundamental principles of democracy, accountability, and transparency.
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I have to agree with COE here. This is a very slippery slope to give the General's this much power. If the Delegate was trusted enough to win the election.Then the Delegate and their appointed MoD should equally be trusted to make the right decisions regarding General Staff. It's one thing to seek advice and approval from other Generals on the matter but to give them such extreme control even over the Delegate is alarming and something I really can't stand behind.
 
the NPAF doctrine really is suffering the death of 1000 cuts, isn't it?

I echo COE's concerns. Factions in the NPAF may wish to make it less accountable, but that is not the way i believe it should go.
 
I strongly supported this proposal until I got to section 8. I cannot support this proposal under the current state, because as Zaz and COE said before me, it gives Generals a bit too much power. I think a reasonable compromise would be that Generals can also be removed by way of the RA.
 
Yeah section 8 needed more work before I submitted it. I think until I can find a less messy way to do it I’m going to remove section 8 and related parts. I’ll have that draft out sometime later today.

I didn’t mean anything by it, it was until I posted this perfectly fine by the people who read it but I have now seen why it’s such a problem. My apologies.
 
I'm not wild about "The NPA High Command shall direct all the internal affairs of the NPA" either. Internal affairs could mean just about anything, and there's no provision for what happens when high command is not at a consensus. I would think that the delegate is the ultimate authority of the NPA, the MoD is appointed to assist him, and authority is delegated to generals to run the day to day stuff. Am I wrong?

Part of the problem is that there is no language in the Constitution to guide us in regulating the NPA, so just about anything goes, as long as there are no rights violations. I may introduce an amendment soon to remedy that.
 
As the current longest tenured ACTIVE member of the NPA, and a former MoD I can appreciate COE's comments and the concern of others who agree about giving Generals "too much" power, however, we need to get a way to get the exceptional promoted where they belong.
I agree the NPA should be an(the) active component of the NPAF, as most countries have an Armed Forces that consist of various elements like an Army, a Navy, an Air Force and so on. I Believe the Armed Forces should be overseen by the Delegate, as the Delegate is the face of the region and see issues of a free wheeling NPA accidentally raiding a region a delegate ,MoFA or the cabinet may be in secret communications with and causing issues.
The issues become that Delegates and appointed Ministers of Defenses can (and have) come in with no clue as to what the NPA current status or activity is and stalls things as things get settled. Generals tend to be long time players that can find missions, have contacts with other high commands of other organizations for getting joint ops and the respect of the active NPA members.
This being said, teamwork and mutual respect is what makes the NPA work right right now. Generals should be the one's to recommend people to join the High Command to work with them and fit in with the teamwork. Having a Delegate or MoD appoint people to General can only lead to issues with a current General Staff that doesn't agree with the appointment for a variety of reasons. I suggest that if the Generals decide someone is entitled to join their ranks, they vote and promote someone to General. This promotion, along with the status of ANY General is subject to demotion/override by either the Delegate or vote by the regional assembly.
Consistency in leadership is what makes the NPA as effective as it is right now and getting people into High Command SHOULD NOT ever be a political based decision.

As for the One Military rule, I stand behind that. We have had "problems" in the past when you could be in two, that an NPA member can become a member of rank and influence in a defender organization or a raider organization and issues come up where they're sitting in the NPAF server watching us plan an op where they're also on another server as a member of a potential opposing force which creates a Conflict of Interest of major proportions.
However, we ALL develop friends outside the region and situations come up where someone may ask you help for an op on a night where the NPA isn't doing anything and you want to help. As it stands right now, you can't. I don't see a issue if someone makes a puppet and fights for another force as a mercenary as long as he does not fly the TNP flag or represent TNP or the NPA in any form. Even in the tag or announcements.
 
Crushing Our Enemies:
I'm not wild about "The NPA High Command shall direct all the internal affairs of the NPA" either. Internal affairs could mean just about anything, and there's no provision for what happens when high command is not at a consensus. I would think that the delegate is the ultimate authority of the NPA, the MoD is appointed to assist him, and authority is delegated to generals to run the day to day stuff. Am I wrong?
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Only partly. The Generals don't do as much of the day-to-day as they advise the Delegate and MoD on military affairs. Day-to-day operations are usually left to deputies or officers depending on the nature of the task.

I also got rid of section 2 as its fairly useless when section 8 was also removed. We may still be able to use it down the road but I don't think the draft is heading that way right now.

New draft is posted.
 
Provide natives with the region's WFE prior to NPA occupation by the means of posting it in the RMB; and
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Don't like this bit. Don't see any reason to limit it explicitly to the RMB, linking to it on the WFE would be better imo. We usually don't just change the WFE, we also change the flag, so unless you've decided that we can't change flags when tagging anymore that's going to need changing. The region's WFE prior to NPA occupation may not be the native WFE.
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Provide natives with the most recent native WFE and flag by means of the RMB or WFE; and
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Honestly, what's wrong with the current language of that clause? It describes the actual intent of the requirement, rather than prescribing a specific procedure. It will adapt naturally to changes in the game mechanics and is not unnecessarily restrictive.
 
Crushing Our Enemies:
Honestly, what's wrong with the current language of that clause? It describes the actual intent of the requirement, rather than prescribing a specific procedure. It will adapt naturally to changes in the game mechanics and is not unnecessarily restrictive.
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Only potential issue I can see with it is that it refers to the "original state" as opposed to the most recent native state, which could be interpreted as the first archive entry (which may not still be relevant) or the WFE before the current NPA WFE, which could also be a tag.
 
Crushing Our Enemies:
Honestly, what's wrong with the current language of that clause? It describes the actual intent of the requirement, rather than prescribing a specific procedure. It will adapt naturally to changes in the game mechanics and is not unnecessarily restrictive.
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Somebody on discord pointed out that in founderless regions to provide means to restore the region would essentially mean having to RO a native because there is no point in having a WFE without having a method of inputting it. This was an attempt to fix that particular issue.
 
BMWSurfer:
Crushing Our Enemies:
Honestly, what's wrong with the current language of that clause? It describes the actual intent of the requirement, rather than prescribing a specific procedure. It will adapt naturally to changes in the game mechanics and is not unnecessarily restrictive.
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Somebody on discord pointed out that in founderless regions to provide means to restore the region would essentially mean having to RO a native because there is no point in having a WFE without having a method of inputting it. This was an attempt to fix that particular issue.
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I mean it would make sense, we're not allowed to ejected or ban any natives unless permitted to so I would think that would be fine, but what I fear is a region with no recent WA Delegate, more specifically no delegate ever recorded there, and if the region's founder (if not foundless) CTE, ROing a native would be a good idea, however let's say there are 3 natives, which one will be pick to be ROed, the one with the most Soft Power Disbursement Rating (regional influence) or some other factor?
 
Having written the current language, I would like to point out that it is intentionally vague, allowing NPA authorities to make decisions in the field about what the "original state" of a given region is, interpreting the clause through the lens of the rest of the doctrine. It allows for flexibility in edge cases, such as when the most recent WFE it's a tag from another military.
 
Yeah, not a fan of the Generals section. I’d advise removing that completely before proceeding with this. I don’t see how that clause offers an improvement on how things are done and I’d be concerned it’d create an entitled class at the top of the NPA.

Ultimate authority need only be held by the Delegate. Already they may delegate it to the MoD, who can then run the NPA’s structure however they so choose. Including appointing more generals or removing some. This would seem to me to be more than adequate and keeps the powers that be accountable for the NPA’s activities.
 
mcmasterdonia:
Yeah, not a fan of the Generals section. I’d advise removing that completely before proceeding with this. I don’t see how that clause offers an improvement on how things are done and I’d be concerned it’d create an entitled class at the top of the NPA.

Ultimate authority need only be held by the Delegate. Already they may delegate it to the MoD, who can then run the NPA’s structure however they so choose. Including appointing more generals or removing some. This would seem to me to be more than adequate and keeps the powers that be accountable for the NPA’s activities.
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First, I agree that the delegate is the ultimate authority and as such has the right to delegate that authority to a Minister of Defense.
I have a concern on just writing off Generals as chess pieces to an incoming or sitting administration. The thing that makes the NPA work is a consistent, trained bunch of leaders that are doing ops and the leaders have shown themselves as capable and not an arbitrary appointment. This should be the Generals and overall leaders of the NPA.
It should be incubent of new "leadership" (Delegate and MoD) to touch base with this staff and set the tone for an upcoming term and not come in tossing aside current work and progress to get political appointees in place that may or may not even have gameplay experience.
 
Quietdad, I should think that a basic understanding of that concept would be a prerequisite for anyone seeking the office of delegate. The possibility that an incompetent delegate could monumentally fuck up the military is not a justification for a high command power grab.

EDIT: On a separate note, I don't think it is necessary to codify the multiple military policy. I think the NPA code is the appropriate place for that, since it concerns internal affairs of the NPA.
 
Crushing Our Enemies:
EDIT: On a separate note, I don't think it is necessary to codify the multiple military policy. I think the NPA code is the appropriate place for that, since it concerns internal affairs of the NPA.
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Personally, I think prohibiting members of the NPA from being members in another military organization is a terrible idea. If you don't trust an NPA member to be loyal to TNP, don't let them join the NPA - but plenty of people are perfectly capable of balancing roles in multiple regions and acting accordingly. They can choose to sit out one mission or another, and they can act with integrity in not leaking information.

I don't see membership in multiple militaries as inherently more conflict-of-interest-prone than citizenship in multiple regions which might be at odds, and except in very specific cases (aka, being at war with one another), we don't prohibit people from holding outside citizenships or serving in roles in other regions.

I find the idea that someone can be president of Europeia (and thus command Europeia's military) and a member of the NPA, but not simply be a member of the NPA and Euro's military, nonsensical.

If there are specific concerns about specific individuals or specific groups, that's one thing. It would be fine to prohibit membership in a group which was known to encourage its members to leak information from other groups, or membership in a military whose region was at war with TNP. That makes sense. But a blanket prohibition on membership in any other military, regardless of that individual's past integrity or history of service to TNP... that I cannot support.
 
I mean, I also don't support the policy, but even if I did, I wouldn't want to put it in the legal code.

Also, who are the generals of the NPA, currently? If we're going to debate whether or not to grant them life terms without subjecting them to any election, appointment, or confirmation procedure, I think we should at minimum know who they are. That information does not appear to be publicly available. Is it classified?
 
The rule of multiple military's is not there because some people can handle it, it's because most people can't. Been in the NPA a long time and there were times when it was allowed it made for awkward situations, not because someone purposely leaks info, but when asked by a defender org they may part of asks if they're available, they casually respsponded not tonight, the NPA is raiding which has happened and has caused operational issues going both ways.
There has been issues of people taking planning info to other cabinets/assemblies and there has been times where NPA members jump with a defender org against a NPA raid. Having a rule you can't be in more than one just takes the politics out of it. That being said, those that can handle it have no problem making puppets and jumping as mercenaries and just not flying the TNP flag or identifying as NPA members. There's actually no way to even trace that someone is jumping elsewhere unless, like anyone in this game, it seems, they have to tell SOMEONE.
By codifying it, it just stops the conversation of every new member asking if they can be in another army.
It also prevents a situation where an incoming delegate or MoD decides there is an issue with a region and we end up with NPA members/TNP citizens as members of that military. If you don't put yourself in certain situations, nothing happens.

And to answer CoE, there's no fear really that an incoming delegate/MoD could totally screw up the NPA. We've been fortunate that since I've been here (years now) that most delegates appoint someone who is already a leader in the NPA as Mod. I get that. But the whole point in doctrine and democracy is that if it isn't prohibited by law, it's legal. I think we're just trying to get everything on the table.
 
Bottom line for me is that the delegate should be in charge of the military, because the delegate is an elected official, and is in the best position to consider how our military activities fit into the broader picture, and use military action to advance our interests. Generals are a great resource, because they are experts in how the work actually gets done. Dispensing with them would be a large blunder on the part of the delegate. Nonetheless, the delegate needs to be in charge, because all areas of our government must derive their legitimacy from the consent of the governed - including the military. Removing all oversight of high command, and even allowing the generals to outvote the delegate on military matters, is completely unacceptable, and a clear violation of the Bill of of Rights, as I've noted above.

Edit: also, still wondering who these generals we keep discussing are.
 
mcmasterdonia:
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mcmasterdonia:
I'm not sure who the others are.
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I should say that is more of a reflection upon me. A lot of the Generals I knew have already left NS, except QD.

The other one is Gladio. Excluding the Minister who is a General by default.

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On the current roster, McMaseterdonia, Gladio and I are the only Generals, with me being the last one active
 
The system originally proposed here fails the democracy test (since generals would neither be elected, nor appointed by an elected official), the accountability test (since there would be no mechanism for the RA to remove them or provide oversight), and the transparency test (since the roster is not public, and appointment of generals takes place in a private area).
 
I have decided due to higher workload, new IRL commitments, and lack of support for the proposal to not pursue the proposal further at this time. I appreciate your comments and feedback and they have been noted.
 
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