ABC for Attorney General
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Mall
TNPer
The "o" key isn't right next to the "y" key. They're relatively close, but I don't think it's reasonable to say in this context that you accidentally hit "y" after having clicked the spacebar. Some would argue that since the last key before that was "t", it is possible that your left hand simply slipped while on the way to the "o" key. Such an argument would clearly be erroneous however since (assuming you don't type like a Neanderthal) your right hand would have responsibility for clicking the "o" key. As a result of this I have two questions both of which seem to be critically important: First, since it is clear that you are lying in order to cover up the fact that you don't consider yourself to be a true TNP'er why are you bothering to lie at all? Second, do you intend to learn how to multi-quote or are you going to keep on posting 5 comments in a row?abc:
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- The Court Rules and Procedures are not laws - they are rules / policies adopted by the government body of the Court.
- If you had read the section that you refer to, you would notice that section specifically has to do with private information that is not released by the declassification process. I've never been on the Court, but I am quite certain they double-check records covered under Chapter 5, section 1 to see if they are also covered by section 2 - in which case those records are not released (chapter 5, section 2, clause 2).
- During the course of the AG's work, you'll often find a requirement for secrecy. How would this interact with your campaign statement of making the government the citizens' government?
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Somehow, I'm starting to concur with Mall.
Oh dear, this is turning into a train-wreck. Can I suggest we do the charitable thing and back off now? There comes a point where it is like shooting rats in a barrel.
I think this because otherwise, some matters may never receive appropriate attention or be forgotten. I agree with Funk on his ideas on judicial review as well though.abc:
I could see problems arising if the Delegate, Vice Delegate, or any chosen Resident had little to no knowledge of the case or barely knew the legal code. In relation to the second question, I'd say no.
I consider this because it seems taking it too far to ban them, maybe removing their free speech rights would be better. It doesn't actually have to be approved by the AG, it should actually be the Minister of Communications.
1. I just answered it.flemingovia:
2. I didn't mean to patronize those people, I simply meant that I know the newer citizens better. The people who have given so much to the community are very good citizens, but just don't know the newer citizens as well as me and my fellow newer citizens.
3. I did consider becoming a deputy AG, but I thought I'd do better in a leadership position.
Mall
TNPer
Oh this is just getting worse and worse, assuming you use two hands in order to mobile post then your left thumb would still be the thumb controlling the "t", not your right. In the alternative, if you only posted with one hand, then your thumb would have had to go to the spacebar and then come back up, totally deviating it from the "t" line. Where in my analysis have I missed something?abc:
Mystery Player
TNPer
I would advise you use multiquotes, as it's hard to find things in this cluster of responses.abc:
For a campaign question, how, in the capacity of your position, will you make this more of a "citizen's government?" How will you do this better than the other Candidates, who were also Citizens?
Sorry about that, will do.Mystery Player:
I am referring to the citizens who don't have a position in TNP in government or as a civil servant. I want to make this more of their government by getting more of them to get positions and really to get them interested in all, TNP has to offer. I want the citizens to have a say on the laws, codes, etc - I would set up a suggestion section on the forum where citizens could make suggestions to me on how I should improve the laws, codes, the AG's policies and such. No one else has suggested this and I think this would be a wonderful thing to do.
Mall
TNPer
Except that, as I told you, in a two handed scenario it doesn't matter that they're nearby since it's an entirely different finger position in such a way as to make it incredibly implausible that you would hit they "y" at all after having punched the spacebar, or in the alternative in a one handed scenario you would have hit "t", gone down, hit spacebar, then come back up and hit "o". You would never stray across the "y" key at all, so you'd actually have to miss pretty badly in order to make the error. Additionally this would require you not to have proofread a post in a campaign thread of yours. At best you were incredibly sloppy and unlucky, at worst you are perpetuating a lie about your loyalties to the region.abc:
So I'll be nice and give you another chance, did you have a slip and say "your" because you don't view TNP as a true home of yours, or did your thumb slip totally on accident and you somehow managed to click the "y" key without noticing?
These all sound like things I and my predecessor Ash have both done before - both of us were very open about appointing Deputy AGs (as far as I can see, between the two of us only one Citizen interested in becoming a Deputy who was turned down, and both of us actively sought out people who participated in our respective elections). Beyond that, Ash set up a School of Law (which unfortunately was never finished - Ash resigned and I didn't have any of his notes, plans, or contacts to continue it), while I set up this open thread.abc:
I do like some of your ideals, but there's only so much an Attorney General can do to be welcoming to the newer Citizens... the office really needs experience for it to function; despite both Ash and I being experienced in the region, both of us appointed Assistant Attorney Generals who had even more experience than us in the office or the Courts (Abbey was that Assistant for Ash, Tomb was for me).
Have you considered becoming more active in Home Affairs, whether or not you win this election? I think you'd do well there - in fact, you could even ask Tomb to appoint you as a Deputy Minister, and that'll have some leadership involved.
I do have another few questions for you, though. These ones should be a bit easier:
- Who do you plan to ask to be your Deputy Attorney(s) General?
- Would you consider appointing Funkadelia should you win this election?
- If you should lose the election, would you consider asking Funkadelia to appoint you as a Deputy Attorney General?
1. Funk, Darcania, Ash, and Eyes that Do Not LieDarcania:
2. Yes as you can see
3. I definitely would consider that as I'd be able to make some change and eventually run again and possibly be more respected.
I definitely view myself as a TNPer and made the mistake of saying your instead of our. Also, I'm not a liar. What reason would I have to lie anyway?Mall:
Mystery Player
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Just gonna let you know that Ash quit participating 2 months ago, and vacated the office you are currently running for.abc:
Cogoria
TNPer
What qualifies you to say that you know the newer citizens better? You certainly don't know me, and I doubt you know my beliefs, feelings and stances.
And stating you'd function in a leadership position with no previous experience to qualify for that position and nothing but a bumper sticker slogan campaign could be seen as blind ambition as your motivator rather than the duties of the office. How do you respond to that statement?
And stating you'd function in a leadership position with no previous experience to qualify for that position and nothing but a bumper sticker slogan campaign could be seen as blind ambition as your motivator rather than the duties of the office. How do you respond to that statement?
Oh. Then I'd recommend Abbey.Mystery Player:
I mean that I know them in general. Obviously not everyone's the same. Some people I know better than others. I respond to that statement with the fact that I have discussed real ambitions other than the bumper-sticker ones. I want the citizens to have better control over their government, and thus will, (if elected) add a section in the forum specifically for fellow citizens to give suggestions and many of those suggestions will be acted on. I also would like to modify section 7.4, clauses 22-24 of the legal code. I see problems arising there where a resident doesn't understand the case or knew very little about the legal code.Cogoria:
Mystery Player
TNPer
Why are you more fit for this? Why can you do this, while Funkadela can't?abc:
Why do you believe that this is best achieved with the office of Attorney General, who's job is to be the chief prosecutor? (I think, I know nothing about TNP law.)
Funkadelia's an older citizen (which means they do have a good amount of experience), but they may not know what the newer citizens really care about. A lot of newer people to TNP are active for a few months, but then many end up disappearing and become inactive. I know what that's like, and I think if newer citizens see someone not too different from them taking up a position in government, it would inspire them to become more involved.Mystery Player:
Mainly, I want a lot of the citizens to become more educated about TNP, especially about its laws. Citizens should feel open to submit a case for judicial review.
Mystery Player
TNPer
Since it sounds like you know, what do the new citizens care about then? Why would this be different than the older citizens?abc:
A lot of newer citizens are about simply enjoying the fun of NS. Many of them really aren't too into the politics of it and the forums outside of it. Some of them may like the politics of it and love the forums but aren't willing to make a huge commitment to it. Certainly there are exceptions, but this is how I'd describe the majority of new players. If more newer citizens were introduced into the forums, we'd get more citizens and more exciting elections.Mystery Player:
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Thank you for your answers, I have further follow ups.abc:
In relation to the first, I am still not sure what you mean by "[those] that had gone on for at least 2 weeks and still hadn't come to a conclusion", do you mean criminal cases that have done so, judicial reviews that have done so, or some other disputes?
In relation to the second, you appear to have missed my question on the status of the advice given in relation to a criminal matter, further elaboration was: "there does not appear to have been any consideration of the issue of legal privilege in TNP, presumably because there does not appear to be a power to require evidence to be given for the purposes of prosecution and so there has been no attempt to use it to require legal advice be disclosed (the power of the Court to require evidence seems only to extend to exculpatory evidence (Re: the Existence of a Duty to Disclose; Re: the power of the Court to subpoena evidence)), so would it be open to the Attorney General to use the advice given for the purpose of a prosecution (for instance, to prove that a violation of a law was done knowing it was a violation)?"
In relation to the third, why ought the punishment be approved by the Minister of Communications?
1. Judicial Reviews and Criminal CasesZyvetskistaahn:
2. I definitely believe it would be, a prosecutor must use everything they are given.
3. Not all punishments, but just the punishment for adspam because it is a form of communication and it should be handled by the appropriate ministry.
I definitely have thought about that and I might as it has leadership involved and it would allow me to get some of my agenda up and running. Sorry I missed that.Darcania:^ Missed a questionDarcania:
Barbarossistan
TNPer
I seem to miss in your opening post and answers to questions a clear reason why you would seek a function in the legal branch of the government. This is the more striking as your stated motivation seems to fit well with a function involved in citizen outreach such as at the ministry of home affairs. Can you give us a concise statement for seeking legal office specifically?
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Thank you for your answers, I have further questions.abc:
In relation to the first, how would one go about conducting the judicial review of an ongoing judicial review on the basis of the first of the two running over two weeks in time?
In relation to the third, is it your view that punishments ought to be approved by a related executive Ministry in all cases or just in relation to adspam? If it is in all cases, why ought the executive have a role in approving punishments? If it is just in relation to adspam, why would it be inappropriate for other crimes?
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Havelu
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Hey abc,
I know many of these comments are very similar to mine but I intend to hear the answer from your perspective.
From what I have heard, Darcania is a widely respected, and very talented AG. He has created a legacy of strength and power and has a firm grasp of our constitution and interpretation of the courts. If elected, how will you carry this on, and do you feel you can do a better job than him?
I know many of these comments are very similar to mine but I intend to hear the answer from your perspective.
From what I have heard, Darcania is a widely respected, and very talented AG. He has created a legacy of strength and power and has a firm grasp of our constitution and interpretation of the courts. If elected, how will you carry this on, and do you feel you can do a better job than him?
In short, I want to protect and uphold TNP laws as well as improving them, and making the people have a bigger say in them.Barbarossistan:
1. I'd have a Deputy AG handle the review to make sure it gets reviewed and not forgotten.Zyvetskistaahn:
2. It is really in relation to all cases. I think the executive should have the role in approving punishments because eveyone else in the ministry will be collectively working on one or more things, but the executive will really be overseeing things so they should be the one to approve a punishment.
I will have a firm knowledge of the laws and codes of TNP and I'll be reliable, trustworthy, and very open to suggestions. I feel I could do a better job than him in the sense of gettig things done as it is I'm afraid true that he hasn't gotten a whole lot done this term. I may not have the very best understanding of laws out there, but my understanding is good enough to carry out he office of AG.Havelu:
Darcania, give yourself some lead. It may be true that you haven't gotten everything you've wanted to do this term done, but it's not as if you didn't gen anything done. Be proud of what you have done.Darcania:
We do have such a thing. It is called the Regional Assembly.abc:
At this point, abc, I don' think you're ready to run for AG, but I strongly admire that you have the confidence to run. The first position I ran for was AG. I was still a noob. I lost by a landslide.
That doesn't mean you should give up! Take some time to pour over our laws, and the legal decisions that help shape them. Spend more time in the executive staff. Eventually you will be a first-choice candidate for a lot of voters.
After a few cycles, I was eventually elected Justice.