[DRAFT] Recommendation Repeal "Condemn DEN"

There is little doubt that DEN warranted a condemnation. Where there has been disagreement, it has centered on which specific incidents, which misdeeds would be featured most prominently in the condemnation. It was for this reason that this condemnation was initially repealed before a replacement was drafted. Regrettably, the replacement was inferior to the original resolution as is evident by its incomplete list of grievances and its poor language and construction. This is not the resolution that should have been immortalized in our assembly in the first place, and under normal circumstances would be repealed in favor of a superior one. However, DEN has been deleted and therefore no replacement condemnation can be written. That would mean that this is the final word on condemning DEN for posterity and is purely symbolic. Whether you believe DEN deserves the infamy and recognition that a condemnation signifies or not, and whether you believe DEN deserves a shoddy condemnation or should have had a better one, the only way DEN will have a condemnation is if you vote against this repeal. Supporting this repeal will leave the work of recording DEN's crimes to the repeal's references to the target resolution's flaws.

This draft seems motivated purely by the lackluster writing of the resolution. I agree it is bad, but how do others in the department feel about my concerns in the voting thread?

The resolution may be poorly written, but a condemnation for a region whose leaders were all DEAT'd should surely stay on the books. A repeal would remove precedent against similar behavior and would pose a roadblock towards future condemnation of like-minded regions.

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It's not just about the language. Read the repeal, I think it does a much better job of explaining the specific ways the condemnation failed than I could. I appreciate that the repeal, as the true final say on the matter, identifies all the way the condemnation could have been better. And really, since a replacement is impossible, all we can do is look back and say how it should have been done. It's symbolic anyway so having something addressing DEN even in this form is plenty in my book.

Pallaith:

since a replacement is impossible, all we can do is look back and say how it should have been done. It's symbolic anyway so having something addressing DEN even in this form is plenty in my book.

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To me, this reads like an argument in favor of keeping the condemnation. A former member of DEN is the one pushing this repeal, and while the repeal may give some voice to the crimes of DEN, it is not a proper condemnation. Think of who benefits the most from this repeal.

Edit: While I accept the recommendation comes from the government and thus will support the government's position, I hope that some consideration of all the facts can be included. Namely the author's history with DEN, and the fact that any form of official condemnation becomes impossible with the passage of this repeal.

I have given our Discord discussion some thought and I will take a crack at further amending the recommendation. While the end result will likely remain the same, I think there may be a way we can stress the crucial choice every voter has to make with this resolution, even if we end up advising one choice over the other.

What discord discussion? There are so many discord channels i cannot tell where WA resolutions are discussed.

Looks like it's in #magicality-grand-plaza.

I agree with the decision to repeal. My reasoning in two-fold - the fact that this condemnation is dire and should not get to stay on the books solely because it's not possible to replace it.

I also feel that we shouldn't "reward" DEN with a condemnation at all. They aren't being whitewashed - the repeal will be just as visible as this condemnation is - but they abused NS rules and they shouldn't get the benefit of being noted for their acts.

I do feel like my second thought isn't noted in this resolution and would perhaps strengthen the argument against keeping the resolution though.

flemingovia:

What discord discussion? There are so many discord channels i cannot tell where WA resolutions are discussed.

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#ministry-of-wa-affairs on the executive server. But it was also discussed in #magicality-grand-plaza. Yeah, there are a lot of channels.

I don't believe either flemingovia or Abbey Anumia are on the Executive server.

This is a 24 hour link to it should you not be: https://discord.gg/vPvSt

The MoWA will not be issuing a recommendation for this vote. The revised statement is in the original post. Your thoughts are welcome and appreciated.

The revised statement is exactly what I would like to see. I'm very satisfied with it.

The revised statement is brilliant and I love it.

Amazing what taking out one line does isn't it? I will post this statement publicly in a few hours barring any other thoughts or suggested changes. Thanks for your feedback guys.