Military Numbers Topic

Personally I don't see what the problem is at this point. Having your military make up anything from 0.75% or less of your nations entire population seems entirely reasonable to me. Pushing to 1% of your nations population is a little bit of a stretch but I could see it if the nation is geared towards war or spends the vast majority of their budget on defense while cutting spending in other areas.
 
Nightsong:
Personally I don't see what the problem is at this point. Having your military make up anything from 0.75% or less of your nations entire population seems entirely reasonable to me. Pushing to 1% of your nations population is a little bit of a stretch but I could see it if the nation is geared towards war or spends the vast majority of their budget on defense while cutting spending in other areas.
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Kannex has around 200 million people, and 1mil men in the military means they have around .02% of their population as active military personnel.

Syrixia by comparison would probably have a percentage close to that with 800k men as Syrixia has a population of around 180,000,000.

500k is too small, and symbolizes something I'd like to forget as a source of embarassment for me ICly and OOCly, and something I direly wish to be null canon'd.

I'd give anything to change the Rhuvanland situation so that the economic crisis triggered the civil split between east and west on how to handle it, and eventually they unified with a democratic government instead of the old oligarchy that had been in power since the 1933 revolution against the monarchy. (Things will go from there with the Great War and Bhargava's fervently anticommunist policies.)
 
Syrixia, how the hell do you have a population of 180 million? Kannex has a larger territory size than you (roughly 360,000 vs 200,000) so it makes sense for him to have 200 million people.
 
I think I set it at 171 million originally or something and decided to increase it recently. Lemme check the population thread.

EDIT: Syrixia only has 110mil. So if I had 0.75% be soldiers, the military would be 825,000. Seems legit.
 
Once again, not a realism thing. It's an IC thing. If you want Syrixia to be a respected good-standing member of the international community, having a large military (irrespective of population) will prevent that.
 
So plem... if I'm reading your post right you are saying that by having a large military it ruins a nations chance at being a good standing member of the international community... Isn't that hypocrisy? You say Syrixia cannot have a large military and be a good standing member of the international community yet you seem to have no problem with Kannex who has a standing military of one million people.
 
What bothers me most about this is the implication that no nation should be primarily military in nature, which is completely untrue in the real world. It's even implied that no nation should have above 1% military population.

Thinking like that and automatically reprimanding anyone with a military nation that's actually military is so ridiculously idealistically absurd that it's almost comedic.

The same goes for crime rates and similar. Most nations' responses when asked about crime in their country is "Oh its almost non-existant" or "oh there isn't crime". It's like you can't accept that your creation is imperfect for the sake of roleplay. Not calling out specific names, but it's just something that bothers me.
 
Yera, if you look at the world as it stands today, the vast majority of nations have a military size that is somewhere between 0.1% and 1.0% of their nations total population (I do not have the time nor the patience to calculate the percentage size for every country). There are the occasional outlier nations, the perfect example being North Korea but even then their active personnel only sits around 4.7% of their nations total population. As such, most of us use the real world as a basis for how our military should be sized in relation to the size of our nation. It helps to have a dose of realism in role play scenarios as it acts as a check and balance and keeps things from getting out of hand.

On the point of crime... from my own viewpoint... well, no one has ever asked me about it before nor have I ever chosen to role play with it before so the information is irrelevant. If it comes up, I do have backstory written on it but as I said, it is irrelevant to the larger story and role play scenarios that I choose to involve myself in.
 
Nightsong:
So plem... if I'm reading your post right you are saying that by having a large military it ruins a nations chance at being a good standing member of the international community... Isn't that hypocrisy? You say Syrixia cannot have a large military and be a good standing member of the international community yet you seem to have no problem with Kannex who has a standing military of one million people.
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We do have IC problems with Kannex's militaristic nature. Nevertheless, we have not made a treaty capping their military, so enforcing one is irreverent.
 
Syrixia:
Kannex has around 200 million people, and 1mil men in the military means they have around .02% of their population as active military personnel.
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No, that's 0.5%. 0.2% is 400,000.

Anyway, Xentherida (in accordance with recent changes) has about 0.15% standing military - roughly 135,000 soldiers (can't remember, I have a sheet on it, will confirm by editing later), which is a normal percentage for most real life European nations. A large military does not mean a nation is developed.

EDIT: Xentherida has roughly 175,000 soldiers, which is 0.24%.
 
Read the lecture I posted about military realism not too long ago. Not that hard guys. Stop making a big deal over nothing. It exactly explains why it is ridiculous to have huge militaries unless there is good cause to justify it (most of you guys just say "lol coz" and that is annoying.

Syrixia also has a treaty regarding his military numbers so he couldn't simply increase them. Syrixia has been far more reasonable this issue in recent months. However there are still nations that really push the boundaries on having an unjustifiably large military (one where they can't even explain why it is so large). At least with Kannex he could argue that his military has been built up deliberately because of Rhuvanland (though I would say 2 million is still a bit much).
 
So then you'd have me keep a force of 500,000, the same amount as the military Rhuvanland's built up. The Empire having the same amount of military forces as Rhuvanland is just embarrassing.

My ultimate personal goal for the future in RP is to increase Syrixian prestige and get into the Novrith Pact; I don't see how Rhuvanland and Syrixia having equal militaries would help towards that dream.
 
EUREKA! I have an idea! I'll give Rhuvanland an army of 300,000 so I'll still have them outnumbered by 200,000, only 100,000 less than 800,000 is to 500,000!

Also, the Rhuvish Kriegsmarine is decently small but quickly growing. It would be advised to take out the Kriegsmarine now, as if you let it linger into the future it will become a true threat.
 
Yeraennus:
What bothers me most about this is the implication that no nation should be primarily military in nature, which is completely untrue in the real world. It's even implied that no nation should have above 1% military population.

Thinking like that and automatically reprimanding anyone with a military nation that's actually military is so ridiculously idealistically absurd that it's almost comedic.

The same goes for crime rates and similar. Most nations' responses when asked about crime in their country is "Oh its almost non-existant" or "oh there isn't crime". It's like you can't accept that your creation is imperfect for the sake of roleplay. Not calling out specific names, but it's just something that bothers me.
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The standards of this world do not apply to a different world. I see a global agenda of demilitarization in this world as both a commentary on the flaws of our own world, Earth, as well as a great progression for Eras. Demilitarization also mandates nations to cooperate in the face of a threat, thus creating alliances and friendships.
 
Syrixia:
So then you'd have me keep a force of 500,000, the same amount as the military Rhuvanland's built up. The Empire having the same amount of military forces as Rhuvanland is just embarrassing.

My ultimate personal goal for the future in RP is to increase Syrixian prestige and get into the Novrith Pact; I don't see how Rhuvanland and Syrixia having equal militaries would help towards that dream.
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I would say have whatever was agreed to in the treaty in the NPTO. No more than that. Don't remember the exact number though.

Syrixia:
EUREKA! I have an idea! I'll give Rhuvanland an army of 300,000 so I'll still have them outnumbered by 200,000, only 100,000 less than 800,000 is to 500,000!

Also, the Rhuvish Kriegsmarine is decently small but quickly growing. It would be advised to take out the Kriegsmarine now, as if you let it linger into the future it will become a true threat.
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You told us that Rhuvanland was weak though. So I guess we'd assume that the military is not well trained? Remembering that the greater number of people in the military the less money that the Government invests in each person.
 
It might be interesting to see a list like the population megathread on military numbers so people don't just pop 10 new divisions onto the battlefield.
 
Syrixia:
So then you'd have me keep a force of 500,000, the same amount as the military Rhuvanland's built up. The Empire having the same amount of military forces as Rhuvanland is just embarrassing.
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No it isn't. Military numbers is not even close to decent measure of military strength. Syrixia is a march larger and affluent nation. It obviously would have more government revenue. You definitely would have much better equipment. i.e. better planes ships, supplies etc. Additionally, your soldiers would have much better training, since they all are likely volunteers with careers in the armed forces, while Rhuvanland's soldiers are very recent conscripts.

This list shows a list of countries by a "military strength index." As you can see, the US Armed Forces are slightly more powerful, despite being roughly half the size of the Chinese Armed Forces.

With regards to being "outnumbered," that's silly; battles aren't won by numbers. In modern tactical warfare, soldiers do not line up on uniforms on opposite sides of the field and shoot each other up. Also, as noted in the realism megathread, only about 10% of active duty members are actually combat-ready solders.

Beyond that, there is no reason for you to invade Rhuvanland your self. IRL, countries always seek to build a coalition to conduct a joint operation.
 
mcmasterdonia:
You told us that Rhuvanland was weak though. So I guess we'd assume that the military is not well trained? Remembering that the greater number of people in the military the less money that the Government invests in each person.
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Their technology is absolutely not state of the art and neither is their training but they have great generals and utterly high morale.
 
One other item to think about is logistics. With a military force, logistics alone can win or lose a war experience or not. Logistics takes a lot of time and effort to get right. Usually more experienced, professional, and better equipped (usually first world) militaries have their logistics at a reasonable state. Remember if you can't feed them they starve, if you don't clothe them they can freeze, if you don't arm them they can't fight, and if you can't fuel their vehicles they are slow or don't move at all.
 
The Rose Union has a population of 125 million people across three nations and its combined military force stands at 645,000 which is roughly 0.5%. There is an additional 258,000 soldiers in reserve. So I have no issue if you want a military that caps out around 800,000 or 900,000 soldiers if that numbers is a combined total between active and reserve. And before anyone says that my military almost caps out at almost one million people, do keep in mind that it is spread across the nations of Kalti, Callaici and Andalucia... the respective military numbers are 285,000 for Kalti ... 210,000 for Callaici ... 150,000 for Andalucia (note that these numbers do not account for reserves).
 
Nightsong:
So I have no issue if you want a military that caps out around 800,000 or 900,000 soldiers if that numbers is a combined total between active and reserve.
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Once again, this is not a realism issue. The NPTO made a arms-reduction treaty with Syrixia. The treaty caps their military at 500,000. If they are violating the treaty, we intend to call them out on it IC.
 
plembobria:
Nightsong:
So I have no issue if you want a military that caps out around 800,000 or 900,000 soldiers if that numbers is a combined total between active and reserve.
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Once again, this is not a realism issue. The NPTO made a arms-reduction treaty with Syrixia. The treaty caps their military at 500,000. If they are violating the treaty, we intend to call them out on it IC.
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My god. Ok. My military's at 500,000. :headbang: What are your military numbers?
 
Esplandia's current active military is around 200,000 total for all branches and this includes those in non-combat roles. We haven't even begun mobilizing since we're not currently at war with Rhuvanland. This number does not include reserves which would add another 30,000 to 40,000.
 
plembobria:
Nightsong:
So I have no issue if you want a military that caps out around 800,000 or 900,000 soldiers if that numbers is a combined total between active and reserve.
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Once again, this is not a realism issue. The NPTO made a arms-reduction treaty with Syrixia. The treaty caps their military at 500,000. If they are violating the treaty, we intend to call them out on it IC.
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Someone remind me, why did Syrixia agree to it?
 
Plem... I know what the NPTO law says about Syrixia. I was simply pointing out that if that law were to be revoked then I would have no issue with Syrixia having an army capped at the number I stated.

Seriously... What is it with people throwing such a fit over Syrixia... His military is at 500,000. He asked / made a passing comment about making it bigger and you are all acting like the world is going to come to an end if Syrixia is allowed a larger military (which will happen if the NPTO law is revoked and will not so long as that law is in place)...
 
Kannex:
plembobria:
Nightsong:
So I have no issue if you want a military that caps out around 800,000 or 900,000 soldiers if that numbers is a combined total between active and reserve.
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Once again, this is not a realism issue. The NPTO made a arms-reduction treaty with Syrixia. The treaty caps their military at 500,000. If they are violating the treaty, we intend to call them out on it IC.
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Someone remind me, why did Syrixia agree to it?
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IC: Bhargava was all bark, no bite. The second the NPTO bore down on him he gave in.

OOC: I was forced to against my will by peer pressure and fear of exclusion from the TNP RP community.
 
Syrixia:
Kannex:
plembobria:
Nightsong:
So I have no issue if you want a military that caps out around 800,000 or 900,000 soldiers if that numbers is a combined total between active and reserve.
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Once again, this is not a realism issue. The NPTO made a arms-reduction treaty with Syrixia. The treaty caps their military at 500,000. If they are violating the treaty, we intend to call them out on it IC.
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Someone remind me, why did Syrixia agree to it?
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IC: Bhargava was all bark, no bite. The second the NPTO bore down on him he gave in.

OOC: I was forced to against my will by peer pressure and fear of exclusion from the TNP RP community.
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Why, did Plem say you couldn't sit at the cool kids' table if you didn't give up your soldiers?
 
Kannex:
Syrixia:
Kannex:
plembobria:
Nightsong:
So I have no issue if you want a military that caps out around 800,000 or 900,000 soldiers if that numbers is a combined total between active and reserve.
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Once again, this is not a realism issue. The NPTO made a arms-reduction treaty with Syrixia. The treaty caps their military at 500,000. If they are violating the treaty, we intend to call them out on it IC.
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Someone remind me, why did Syrixia agree to it?
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IC: Bhargava was all bark, no bite. The second the NPTO bore down on him he gave in.

OOC: I was forced to against my will by peer pressure and fear of exclusion from the TNP RP community.
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Why, did Plem say you couldn't sit at the cool kids' table if you didn't give up your soldiers?
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Partly that and partly because back then I didn't know how to handle a large military properly in RP. But now (and this is where I take issue) Plemby still doesn't trust me and through this thread and the RotNSP OOC thread has revealed to me his conspiracist agenda to disarm all the big military powers and gain IC political influence.
 
There's an easy way to end the limit to your military.

RP out either you disregarding it entirely - and live with the IC consequences of that action - or RP out a renegotiation to change that limit.

Crying about peer pressure and making random ridiculous conspiracies will do nothing but make you seem unhinged.
 
St George:
RP out a renegotiation to change that limit.
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I'll have a go at this, though IC Plembobria will most likely call Syrixia still "evil and militaristic" or something of the sort.

I'll discuss it with Plemby OOC in PMs.
 
Syrixia:
St George:
RP out a renegotiation to change that limit.
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I'll have a go at this, though IC Plembobria will most likely call Syrixia still "evil and militaristic" or something of the sort.
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Of course I'm going to call you evil and militaristic. That doesn't mean I personally hate you OOC. A more militaristic Syrixia would drive conflict, and fuel loads of good RP. But you would have to accept being the IC "bad guy," at least according to the point of view of a certain bloc of nations. This doesn't mean you'd be marginalized and disrespected in OOC conversation.
 
I want Syrixia to go up in the community, not down. So, I will respect the treaty. But I would like these three things addressed so I may know how to work towards them more.

1: The NPTO reform proposal currently standing

2: My ultimate goal: get into the Novrith Pact.

3: (a question rather than an aspiration) Why is Plembobria acting like the great god of politics here? I find that slightly contradictory to the Novrith Pact's ideal of national sovereignty.
 
Syrixia:
I want Syrixia to go up in the community, not down. So, I will respect the treaty. But I would like these three things addressed so I may know how to work towards them more.

1: The NPTO reform proposal currently standing

2: My ultimate goal: get into the Novrith Pact.

3: (a question rather than an aspiration) Why is Plembobria acting like the great god of politics here? I find that slightly contradictory to the Novrith Pact's ideal of national sovereignty.
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Gonna hit the sack. I'll peek at the replies tomorrow. :D
 
Syrixia:
Nebula:
*cracks knuckles*

This should be easy.
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And how large is your military?
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Our army is at this point a mere two hundred thousand troops or so, but our navy and air force are a little larger than those of South Korea, and we've committed the majority of those resources to this conflict.
 
The military of The Lancerian Empire comes out to about 70,000 plus 30,000ish in reserves so right around 100,000 soldiers.
Not including reserves, there's roughly 30,000 in the Army, roughly 25,000 in the RLAAF (which is technically part of the army), and roughly 25,000 in the RLN.
 
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