2016 US Presidential Election

Roman, I was going to suggest: Would it be alright with you if we renamed this thread "US Presidential Elections Megathread"

I think there will be a hell of a lot of discussions on this topic. Might be cool to have a set place for it already.. Just an idea ;)
 
Here they are destroying any chances of them being backed by what could have been their greatest ally.
 
Syrixia:
Did you guys see this?
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Absolutely disgusting. Glad to see that this had a positive effect on the second rally Sanders did which drew in 15,000 people. Also, while I agree with the message of Black Lives Matter, I'm disgusted and heartbroken by their tactics in how they choose to get their voice out.
 
I guarantee it's gonna be Bernie VS. Jeb and Bernie's gonna win. Just my prediction doe.
 
Syrixia:
mcmasterdonia:
I guarantee that it will be Hilary vs Jeb, and she will win. :P
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Not with the email scandal and the Benghazi scandal she won't.
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Yeah, she will. Polling has indicated that the email scandal hasn't made a difference. When people attack the clintons generally they do better. She was also cleared of any wrong doing for Benghazi. The Republicans can attack her on that as much as they like, no matter how many hearings they bring up, she has been cleared of wrongdoing. She will win and she will be an excellent President. I cannot foresee a Republican President.
 
They don't. But people have been seeing it for what it is. Hilary is the front runner so she has been taking a lot of criticism, it is what happens.

Jeb Bush is the only republican who comes even remotely close to defeating Hilary in a general election. The US surely won't elect another Bush.
 
mcmasterdonia:
Roman, I was going to suggest: Would it be alright with you if we renamed this thread "US Presidential Elections Megathread"

I think there will be a hell of a lot of discussions on this topic. Might be cool to have a set place for it already.. Just an idea ;)
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Someone beat me too it in renaming it (thanks to whoever did it!). :P


Here's my position on who I like for Pres.

On the Democrat side, Jim Webb (he's not up there in the polls so the left-leaning lame stream media won't give him fair schrift) and Bernie Sanders (despite him being a real Socialist).


On the Republican side: Anyone but Trump and Graham.


Now something on the political humour side:


Presidential Campaign Stickers You Probably Won't See.

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Romanoffia:
On the Democrat side, Jim Webb (he's not up there in the polls so the left-leaning lame stream media won't give him fair schrift) and Bernie Sanders (despite him being a real Socialist).
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Need I repeat myself?

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Bernie is as close to a socialist you'll get in mainstream US politics, not that it matters, as the US skews right anyway. The US left is really the centre if you compare it to most other Anglo countries.
 
Yeah, so left-wing candidates like Bernie are really not all that left-wing at all, and hard-line right-wing candidates like Trump are actually far-right.
 
Nebula:
Romanoffia:
On the Democrat side, Jim Webb (he's not up there in the polls so the left-leaning lame stream media won't give him fair schrift) and Bernie Sanders (despite him being a real Socialist).
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Need I repeat myself?

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You clearly missed my point concerning the definition of Socialism.

Hitler and Mussolini were socialists, yet they didn't collectivise the means of production. They just engaged in massive government regulation of the means of production to the point that the economies of their respective countries are command economies.

Remember, is Socialism and it's derivative/variant Fascism, private property (in this instance, the 'means of production') is privately owned, but is subject to the regulation and demands of the government which can seize control of or partial ownership of for the purposes of the state (not unlike Obama's government seizure of 51% of General Motors, just like Hitler seized Porche, BMW, Daimler-Benz, Messerschmidt, etc.,,,.).

In terms of pure economic and structural considerations, the United States is now not much different that Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany of the 1930's (economically speaking). Big Business and the Government are in bed together for their mutual benefit and using tax payer money to prop up Big Business.
 
Then explain Bernie's plan to break up the big banks. That very much does not fit with your fascist allegations.
 
mcmasterdonia:
Syrixia:
mcmasterdonia:
I guarantee that it will be Hilary vs Jeb, and she will win. :P
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Not with the email scandal and the Benghazi scandal she won't.
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Yeah, she will. Polling has indicated that the email scandal hasn't made a difference. When people attack the clintons generally they do better. She was also cleared of any wrong doing for Benghazi. The Republicans can attack her on that as much as they like, no matter how many hearings they bring up, she has been cleared of wrongdoing. She will win and she will be an excellent President. I cannot foresee a Republican President.
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The way I see it, it's gonna be Bernie VS. Jeb and Bernie's gonna win. Bernie's idea of socialism is, as we all know, the Nordic model, one that works really well for the Nordics, and if it works well for them it'll work even better for us. Hillary, meanwhile, just got destroyed by Bernie in New Hampshire.

I'm with Bernie.
 
While I do support Bernie and his policies, the Nordic style of socialism tends to work better in countries with smaller populations, hence why the Nordic nations have had such success. I'm not so sure how well it will work with our style of government and large population.
 
Malvad:
While I do support Bernie and his policies, the Nordic style of socialism tends to work better in countries with smaller populations, hence why the Nordic nations have had such success. I'm not so sure how well it will work with our style of government and large population.
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This. There really is no "one size fits all" economic system.
 
Which is why it is important for the Democrats to win a majority in Congress. None of Bernie's policies will get through if the Republicans maintain control. Granted Bernie could always use their words against them and say he was given a mandate by the people to fulfill is policies and promises. The Congressional Republicans say that a lot.
 
mcmasterdonia:
Hillary appeals to the centre which is important for winning a majority in both houses.
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I do not agree. There has been a trend for a while within the congress away from centrism. I am also hesitant to link the presidential election with congressional elections.
 
Malvad:
While I do support Bernie and his policies, the Nordic style of socialism tends to work better in countries with smaller populations, hence why the Nordic nations have had such success. I'm not so sure how well it will work with our style of government and large population.
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Nordic model socialism has often been described as "cuddly capitalism" in comparison to the US's "cut-throat" capitalism. I don't really see what's wrong in that.

Then again, there are people out there who are like my parents, who last night saw me reading this thread and proceeded to spout conservative antisocialist Cold War rhetoric while also not understanding that socialism and communism are not the same thing, hence why I wasn't allowed to be on NS at all until 11:00. :headbang:

Trust me, it is annoying and hard as hell to be a pro-Bernie democrat in a state full of republicans.
 
Syrixia:
Malvad:
While I do support Bernie and his policies, the Nordic style of socialism tends to work better in countries with smaller populations, hence why the Nordic nations have had such success. I'm not so sure how well it will work with our style of government and large population.
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Nordic model socialism has often been described as "cuddly capitalism" in comparison to the US's "cut-throat" capitalism. I don't really see what's wrong in that.

Then again, there are people out there who are like my parents, who last night saw me reading this thread and proceeded to spout conservative antisocialist Cold War rhetoric while also not understanding that socialism and communism are not the same thing, hence why I wasn't allowed to be on NS at all until 11:00. :headbang:

Trust me, it is annoying and hard as hell to be a pro-Bernie democrat in a state full of republicans.
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Which state are you?

Your predicament reminds me of Ryccia's. He's a self-described liberal (although I think he's more of a centrist), but his parents and family are uber-conservative and uber-religious.
 
flemingovia:
Based on conversations I had in Florida, there is little doubt who would win.

Kate Middleton by a landslide.
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Floridians would probably be crazy enough to vote for foreign leaders as president, so it actually kinda makes sense. :lol:
 
Well, I don't know how it is even possible, but I tied Marco Rubio and Hilary Clinton on my political quiz.
 
If one thinks the Nazis were actually Socialists, this might be a good read.

Sanders is a Social Democrat, which is perfectly okay. The systematic imbalances in the system we have may make it impossible for him to enact any policies however, which would be an indictment of the system.

There are three major problems I see today with American democracy: money, unproportional representation (through gerrymandering or just geography), and efforts to make it harder for political opponents to vote. Sanders will not be getting much funding from large donors, particularly not in the form of a Super PAC. To win control of the House the way districts are currently drawn, Democrats would most likely need to win by more than 6% nationally: most likely, just barely. The Supreme Court's removal of sections 4b and thus effectively 5 of the Voting Rights Act has allowed many southern states and municipalities to pursue policies designed to make it harder for democratic leaning demographics to vote such as certain voter ID laws, the reduction of early voting, and other measures.

That said, the effect of funding on a campaign can easily be exaggerated, with gerrymandering wave elections actually return a disproportionately massive shift, and at least in the short term efforts to restrict voting which are not as effective as the old Jim Crow laws tend to be fairly effective at getting out the vote they're seeking to suppress.

The greater problem unfortunately lies with Congress, which has gradually become more and more dysfunctional. This is tied to two problems: increasing polarization of the voters, tied perhaps to polarized news and civic society; and relentless focus on fundraising. We need to change how representatives are elected, how campaigns are funded, or both.

Unfortunately, the days of bipartisan campaign finance reform and the like are long gone. The only way I see such changes happening in the future is through a wave election with addressing these problems as the winning party's core platform.

Would any of the candidates lead to this? I doubt it.
 
McCain actually focussed on campaign finance reform in 2008, and look where that got him.
 
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