Some of you guys are a fucking farce. My apologies to Ceretis, Kalti, Piscivore, Sauceistan, Xentherida, Syrixia, plembobria, Wolfsea, Cronaal and Hiskjriaana and anyone else who had to put up with this. Purple text incoming.
Myroria:
make malcolm x proud you guys
harriet beecher stowe's spirit smiles down on you
Saint Oz:
out to get pizza brb
in two weeks
I can understand your feelings on this particular RP and those involved (and p. much agreed with you Myroria when we spoke about it in IRC), but posts like these are borderline spamming the topic.
Kannex:
I'm surprised we'll have abolitionist countries during this backwards-ass time. Get with the times, dude.
Abolitionism has existed throughout history across the world, from China (first abolition occurred in the 3rd Century BC) and Japan (slavery disappears by 1200 and is banned outright in 1590) to Venice (960 AD), Iceland (1117 AD), and many of the great works of law of the Middle Ages either abolish slavery or mention that it was already abolished (1215 Magna Carta Clause 30, 1220 Sachsenspiegel - the German code of law, 1256 Liber Paradisus of Bologna).
Slavery is illegal in Norway by 1274, de jure abolished in France in 1315, in Sweden in 1335, in Poland by 1347.
Sytarenne:
New Aquilia:
I'm going with the major abolitionist force..I'm going with the history that the Ancient Church condemned slavery in 1100 along with serfdom. I'm basing it off of this piece of not well known history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_London_in_1102
Churches always condemned slavery. That doesn't make any different that other people like Barons, Knights, and Kings would still want to condemn slavery.
The 1537 Papal Bull by Pope Paul III, forbidding the enslavement of native American tribes, seemed to work. The Catholic Empires of Spain and Portugal especially (the latter would also ban the enslavement of Chinese people in 1595) applied and enforced this.
Regardless, if New Aquilia wants to rp their own history in the way they described, that is their right to.
Sytarenne:
No, what your doing is making me want to RP with you less and less. You can't act like the goody-goody all the time. Sure there was anti-slave campaigners (which were definitely in my nation too) but only little can that do to a period like this. King's did have good relationships with the Pope. But sometimes they didn't when they disagreed with them. Like King Henry VIII and King Henry II. Kings can throw them out if they wanted to.
You don't actually to decide that. It's New Aquilia's history and if they want to play as a pro-abolitionist state, they can. That's just how RP works. You're free to ignore them and not RP with them, but you don't get to decide how they RP their nation.
New Aquilia:
Sytarenne:
New Aquilia:
I'm going with the major abolitionist force..I'm going with the history that the Ancient Church condemned slavery in 1100 along with serfdom. I'm basing it off of this piece of not well known history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_London_in_1102
Churches always condemned slavery. That doesn't make any different that other people like Barons, Knights, and Kings would still want to condemn slavery.
On Earth sure, again this is EVe...and things can go quite different in places on Eve.
The CofA and the Monarchy have always been tied together tightly in my nation's history, heck my monarch is a Supreme Governor of the Church and must be ordained and raised to the Bishopric before He or She can be a ruling monarch according to the constitution.
But please, keep stating what my people's history has to be for you. More and more reason to not RP with you
New Aquilia:
AGAIN, FOR THE TENTH TIME:
This is Eve, not earth. And sorry, but history, will not go the way it does on earth. Again, we have sentient dragons, even as Piscivore like claiming squids in lab coats. For crying out loud,stop trying to make it that you know everything about a nation's past or can tell anyone else what they can or cannot do with their nation or their nation's history.
You were doing so well until you started sniping. It did not do your argument any good and just further escalated the issue. If you do ever come back to TNP RP, I hope you do it without the sniping, as I think you are valuable addition to the community.
Sytarenne:
Not trying to get an argument, but please refrain by posting things that make no sense. Your acting like your nations such a goody-goody when countries could've declared war and attacked you by now, because in the Colonial Ages you would probably be considered a country that supports Satan or something.
Your supposed to
think like a person from those times you can't act like you are now. Also, I pointed that out because this is an OOC thread, remember? Without earth, there's no christianity, there's no english, there's no judaism, there's no religion, there's no equality, there's no UN, there's no peace.
I'm happy to ignore your flawed and obviously lacking knowledge of the times of which you speak, but I will not abide by back-seat modding. You do not get to decide how people post, especially as the latter part of your post is an incoherent mess.
Kannex:
Yeah, the Council of London in 1102 wasn't very successful in stopping slavery centuries later, but who cares. If New Aquila wants to play an unrealistically goody-goody nation, it's his choice.
I'm not sure if you meant this as a snipe, but it comes off as one. Your earlier contributions to the topic were positive and if I'm reading this wrong, I'll happily admit to it.
Cronaal:
tl;dr Stop dictating what the history of other nations is.
This guy gets it. Seriously.
I'm not going to lock this topic, but I will be watching it and if this kind of thing continues, then I will have to ask a GM or Admin to look at warnings and post purviews for some of those involved. I don't want to do that.
