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IRC isn't a discussion but a cabal.

I have serious RL concerns about using IRC wven with an up to date anti virus and ant trojan software, because the server #tnp uses as a history of trying to plant such on my computer. I don't want or need the headache of it.

As to term limits, the provision followed in TNP does not prevent subsequent election after a break of one term. In fact McM has done that in the past. I get concerned about complacency with infinite re-elections and then our pool of potential future delegates shrinks as a consequence. That would be a bad thing.

We've not needed term limits for Vice Delegate mostly because two terms is about all anyone can handle, and that is a long as anyone, including myself has served consecutively as a Vice Delegate.

I'm not sure changing the principle as a matter of expediency for McM is fair to him or the rest of the region, and the case hasn't been made for repeal for any other reason, and that is not enough. Ask now former Mayor Bloomberg about an exception to the term limits. He became unpopular in his third term almost as soon as he started it.

So I will reluctantly vote against this amendment for reasons having nothing to do with McM, but having everything to do with maintaining the stability of The North Pacific.
 
The private selection of a preferred candidate predates IRC by a long way. IRC has just made the process faster and more efficient. and, yes, if you are not on IRC these days you will be out of the loop.

But in TNP there has always been the private selection of a "safe pair of hands" candidate and sometimes a frantic scurrying round to find a candidate to counter an untrusted candidate who looks like they may be a front runner.
 
flemingovia:
The private selection of a preferred candidate predates IRC by a long way. IRC has just made the process faster and more efficient. and, yes, if you are not on IRC these days you will be out of the loop.

But in TNP there has always been the private selection of a "safe pair of hands" candidate and sometimes a frantic scurrying round to find a candidate to counter an untrusted candidate who looks like they may be a front runner.
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What? Hardly seems democratic an oligarch has a discussion about making sure they've picked the right candidate. TNP Bilderberg much?
 
For a deputy speaker I'm pretty darn biased. I support McM and will vote for this bill, but if it fails... well, this election will get really interesting.
 
PaulWallLibertarian42:
What? Hardly seems democratic an oligarch has a discussion about making sure they've picked the right candidate. TNP Bilderberg much?
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Democracy is an illusion used to keep the proletariat quiet. I thought you would know that.
 
flemingovia:
PaulWallLibertarian42:
What? Hardly seems democratic an oligarch has a discussion about making sure they've picked the right candidate. TNP Bilderberg much?
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Democracy is an illusion used to keep the proletariat quiet. I thought you would know that.
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:rofl:

really?
 
I would just like to point out that in any electoral system, either in NationStates or RL, candidates are generally selected by groups of people larger than the candidate themselves, and smaller than the electorate as a whole. This is not create an oligarchy, and neither does it subvert the democratic process of elections. At the end of the election, everyone's votes are tallied - not just those who encouraged a given candidate to run. The only effect this method of candidate selection has is to produce candidates who have a certain measure of support from their peers before entering the race. It does not prevent any of their supporters from changing their minds, nor does it prevent another candidate from being elected despite that initial show of support.

This is a political game. Talking to people about elections and putting heads together to think about who should run for office is a political action. There is nothing inherently wrong with such political actions, particularly when such actions are motivated by patriotism and good will towards the region, the voters, and the candidates.
 
flemingovia:
But in TNP there has always been the private selection of a "safe pair of hands" candidate and sometimes a frantic scurrying round to find a candidate to counter an untrusted candidate who looks like they may be a front runner.
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I suspected as much. Kudos for your candor. I would suggest this statement argues against abolishing term limits. It suggests there's no point in running for delegate if the candidate does not have the support of the 'cabal'. If there's no faith in the democratic process, people may resort to other methods of attaining the Delegacy.

particularly when such actions are motivated by patriotism and good will towards the region, the voters, and the candidates.
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Umm.. lol? Does that ever happen?
 
You don't think people ever act with goodwill and patriotism in mind? I think that most of the time people are acting with good intentions, they're doing what they believe will be best for the region, the voters and ultimately who will be the best candidate to do the job they may be elected to do. The fact that we may disagree with what they are doing or who they are supporting is simply a part of the democratic process we have. Talking about the election and who should run for office should be encouraged.

If you genuinely believe that someone should not be elected to office, why shouldn't you encourage someone else to run for that position? If you believe they are the right fit for the position then naturally would vote for them. You have every right to campaign for them and to express your support for them.

As COE said, I believe people do this with good intentions and patriotism in mind (most of the time) :)

This will be the first general election with the RON law on the books. It will be interesting to see if that is a factor in this election or not.
 
mcmasterdonia:
You don't think people ever act with goodwill and patriotism in mind? I think that most of the time people are acting with good intentions
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I guess you didn't notice the lol, but whatever. My thoughts about patriotism are my own, but you know what they say about good intentions..
 
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