[Complete]AT VOTE: Condemn The United Defenders League [Complete]
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I think if the folks in TSP vote against it, it's likely they don't like something about this resolution. Either they disagree with the facts Josh is presenting or they don't like how Josh presents the facts.
If anyone here is also from TSP, can you give us any insight on the claims Josh made about the UDL? Was TSP perturbed by any actions taken by the UDL in the warzone? I'm reconsidering my vote because I actually do consider what the residents of TSP think in reference to this resolution has some merit. I'd prefer a member of the UDL who is also a member of TSP not reply to this if possible.
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If anyone here is also from TSP, can you give us any insight on the claims Josh made about the UDL? Was TSP perturbed by any actions taken by the UDL in the warzone? I'm reconsidering my vote because I actually do consider what the residents of TSP think in reference to this resolution has some merit. I'd prefer a member of the UDL who is also a member of TSP not reply to this if possible.
danke!
Kingborough
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In the interest of disclosure I have edited my post to reflect I have voted in Osiris.
Chasmanthe
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Ironically Bel is Speaker of TSP.Joshua:
Indeed. I think I have a rather good understanding of why my comrades in TSP are opposing this resolution. Hileville's post -Chasmanthe:
- provides an apt summary of the general regional opinion, as I have gathered from both the forums and our IRC.
I want to be clear about my earlier comment. IF TSP doesn't vote for this condemnation doesn't mean we should. I just want to hear what they have to say because if the facts presented by Josh are different thant what the TSP people see, it will influence my vote.
When I was condemned, I don't recall one TWP'er in favor of my condemnation on the merits of it at all. I wanted it, but not because i agreed with the facts.*chuckles*.
That TWP, didn't favor it didn't stop the rest of the NS world from supporting the condemnation. So, I hope no one argues that if TSP is against this everyone else should be too...That doesn't line up with prior condemnations.
I'm just saying for me, depending on what Hileville or anyone else from TSP says about the actual claims in the resolution, my vote could be influenced.
When I was condemned, I don't recall one TWP'er in favor of my condemnation on the merits of it at all. I wanted it, but not because i agreed with the facts.*chuckles*.
That TWP, didn't favor it didn't stop the rest of the NS world from supporting the condemnation. So, I hope no one argues that if TSP is against this everyone else should be too...That doesn't line up with prior condemnations.
I'm just saying for me, depending on what Hileville or anyone else from TSP says about the actual claims in the resolution, my vote could be influenced.
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The WA Affairs Ministry recognized 18 votes in favor, 14 votes opposed, 4 votes to abstain, and 3 present. As neither 14/36 nor 18/36 is a majority, the Ministry continues to advise the Delegate to abstain from voting at this time.
Voter[c]TNP Nation[c]Vote[c]Other Regions[c]Cormac Stark[c]Cormac Stark[c]Against[c][c]Joshua[c]The Dead Angels[c]For[c][c]Sovreignry[c]Sovreignry North Pacific[c]Against[c]Osiris[c]Blue Wolf II[c]Blue Wolf II[c]For[c][c]Mall[c]Mall[c]For[c]Osiris[c]madjack[c]United Alesia[c]Against[c]Balder, Europeia, the South pacific[c]Venico[c]Numpkys[c]For[c]Osiris[c]Jamie[c]Jamie Anumia[c]For[c]Balder[c]flemingovia[c]Northern Flemingovia[c]Against[c][c]Lennart[c]Ehlnar[c]Abstain[c][c]Funkadelia[c]Funkadelia Island[c]For[c]Taijitu[c]Belschaft[c]North Pacific Belschaft[c]Against[c]the South Pacific, Osiris[c]Ravania[c]Ravania Aquilonia[c]Against[c]Osiris[c]Johz[c]That Johz Thing[c]Against[c][c]Iro[c]Checkers[c]For[c]Atrigeas[c]Earth[c]Earth22 IV[c]Against[c]Osiris, The Rejected Realms[c]Tim[c]Tim[c]Against[c]Osiris, Balder, Mordor, Equilism[c]Bryan von Richthofen[c]Maybe I Should Join[c]For[c][c]Biyah[c]Lord Rahl Reloaded[c]For[c]Osiris, The Rejected Realms[c]Gaspo[c]Gasponia[c]For[c][c]Kiwi[c]KiwiTaicho[c]Abstain[c][c]Windy[c]Windsor DC[c]Against[c]British Isles, Europeia, Democratium[c]DRUK[c]United Koryo[c]For[c]Osiris[c]King Durk the Awesome[c]Balkanlands[c]For[c][c]Empire of Narnia[c]Empire of Narnia[c]For[c][c]Kingborough[c]Kingborough II[c]Against[c]Nysa, Balder, British Isles, Lazarus[c]unibot[c]Unibot III[c]Abstain[c][c]punk d[c]MadhouseMike[c]For[c]The West Pacific[c]Mahaj[c]Sexy Cars[c]Against[c]Osiris[c]Lord Byron[c]God n Country n Byron[c]For[c][c]Former English Colony[c]Former English Colony[c]For[c][c]Alvino Castillon[c]Almaniania[c]Abstain[c][c]Grosseschnauzer[c]Grosseschnauzer[c]Against[c][c]Malvad[c]Malvad[c]Against[c][c]Thomas Insaniac[c]Eastern Hungry[c]For[c]British Isles[c]Scandigrad[c]Scandigrad[c]present[c][c]Pasargad[c]Pasargad[c]present[c][c]New Kervoskia[c]New Kervoskia[c]For[c]Osiris[c]Zaolat[c]Zaolat III[c]present[c]Osiris, The East Pacific
On behalf of Delegate McMasterdonia: Iro, you are going to be warned for failure to abide by the WA voting policy by voting in Nysa without declaring it. As this is your first strike, your vote will be counted. On a second strike your vote will not be counted, in accordance with the policy.Iro:
Kingborough
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Eluvatar, Iro and no other Nysan member has voted on the matter so I request you withdraw your warning - I know for a fact you can't see our WA forums in Nysa so I don't know where you get this information.
Indeed you haven't even done this by checking our citizenship list and then issuing a general warning to people on it, because you've totally forgotten at least two other people who are members of Nysa. It appears you just have targeted Iro because he has in his signature that he holds office in Nysa.
I included the Nysa in my declaration in case I voted there, but we have not progressed to a vote at this stage so your warning is invalid.
Kingborough,
Founder of Nysa and President of the Nysan Organisation
Indeed you haven't even done this by checking our citizenship list and then issuing a general warning to people on it, because you've totally forgotten at least two other people who are members of Nysa. It appears you just have targeted Iro because he has in his signature that he holds office in Nysa.
I included the Nysa in my declaration in case I voted there, but we have not progressed to a vote at this stage so your warning is invalid.
Kingborough,
Founder of Nysa and President of the Nysan Organisation
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I disagree with you, and support the Minister's actions.Kingborough:
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In that case Sovreignry should perhaps also be warned. I missed him by mistake earlier.
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I don't get it. We're not allowed to vote elsewhere?Eluvatar:The WA Affairs Ministry recognizes 14 in favor (Joshua, Blue Wolf II, Mall, Venico, Funkadelia, Iro, Bryan von Richthofen, Biyah, Gaspo, Windy, DRUK, King Durk the Awesome, Empire of Narnia, Punk D), 11 against (Cormac Stark, Sovreignry, madjack, flemingovia, Belschaft, Ravania, Johz, Earth, Tim, Kingborough, Mahaj), 4 for abstention (Jamie, Lennart, Kiwi, unibot), and 0 present.
As neither voting in favor nor voting against have a majority, the Ministry would advise the Delegate to abstain from voting at this time.
On behalf of Delegate McMasterdonia: Windy, you are going to be warned for failure to abide by the WA voting policy. As this is your first strike, your vote will be counted. On a second strike your vote will not be counted, in accordance with the policy.Windy:
The Ministry is uncertain as to whether you intended to not affect the result of this vote and vote present, or whether you wished to vote for our Delegate to abstain. For now your vote is being counted as for abstention.unibot:Seems like it's kind of become a bit of partisan hereIf anyone does want to ask a question regarding this resolution, as the Head of UDL, I am more than capable of answering any questions people may have.
I find this resolution to be wholly inaccurate and incorrect, naturally.
I will abstain from the vote, only to avoid a conflict of interests, obviously I am against it in spirit. I have not voted anywhere else on this issue.
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Govindia:
The policy is that you must disclose where else you have voted. Merely saying "I have voted in 2 other regions" does not count.
The WA Affairs Ministry recognizes 19 in favor, 14 against, 4 to abstain, and 3 present. As 19 is a majority of 37, the Ministry would advise the Delegate to vote for the resolution at this time.
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I vote against the resolution.
I have voted in Taijitu,Osiris, and the Rejected Realms.
The WA Affairs Ministry recognizes 19 in favor, 15 against, 4 to abstain, and 3 present. As neither 19 nor 15 is a majority of 38, the Ministry would advise the Delegate to abstain from voting on the resolution at this time.
Voter[c]TNP Nation[c]Vote[c]Other Regions[c]Cormac Stark[c]Cormac Stark[c]Against[c][c]Joshua[c]The Dead Angels[c]For[c][c]Sovreignry[c]Sovreignry North Pacific[c]Against[c]Osiris[c]Blue Wolf II[c]Blue Wolf II[c]For[c][c]Mall[c]Mall[c]For[c]Osiris[c]madjack[c]United Alesia[c]Against[c]Balder, Europeia, the South pacific[c]Venico[c]Numpkys[c]For[c]Osiris[c]Jamie[c]Jamie Anumia[c]For[c]Balder[c]flemingovia[c]Northern Flemingovia[c]Against[c][c]Lennart[c]Ehlnar[c]Abstain[c][c]Funkadelia[c]Funkadelia Island[c]For[c]Taijitu[c]Belschaft[c]North Pacific Belschaft[c]Against[c]the South Pacific, Osiris[c]Ravania[c]Ravania Aquilonia[c]Against[c]Osiris[c]Johz[c]That Johz Thing[c]Against[c][c]Iro[c]Checkers[c]For[c]Atrigeas[c]Earth[c]Earth22 IV[c]Against[c]Osiris, The Rejected Realms[c]Tim[c]Tim[c]Against[c]Osiris, Balder, Mordor, Equilism[c]Bryan von Richthofen[c]Maybe I Should Join[c]For[c][c]Biyah[c]Lord Rahl Reloaded[c]For[c]Osiris, The Rejected Realms[c]Gaspo[c]Gasponia[c]For[c][c]Kiwi[c]KiwiTaicho[c]Abstain[c][c]Windy[c]Windsor DC[c]Against[c]British Isles, Europeia, Democratium[c]DRUK[c]United Koryo[c]For[c]Osiris[c]King Durk the Awesome[c]Balkanlands[c]For[c][c]Empire of Narnia[c]Empire of Narnia[c]For[c][c]Kingborough[c]Kingborough II[c]Against[c]Nysa, Balder, British Isles, Lazarus[c]unibot[c]Unibot III[c]Abstain[c][c]punk d[c]MadhouseMike[c]For[c]The West Pacific[c]Mahaj[c]Sexy Cars[c]Against[c]Osiris[c]Lord Byron[c]God n Country n Byron[c]For[c][c]Former English Colony[c]Former English Colony[c]For[c][c]Alvino Castillon[c]Almaniania[c]Abstain[c][c]Grosseschnauzer[c]Grosseschnauzer[c]Against[c][c]Malvad[c]Malvad[c]Against[c][c]Thomas Insaniac[c]Eastern Hungry[c]For[c]British Isles[c]Scandigrad[c]Scandigrad[c]present[c][c]Pasargad[c]Pasargad[c]present[c][c]New Kervoskia[c]New Kervoskia[c]For[c]Osiris[c]Zaolat[c]Zaolat III[c]present[c]Osiris, The East Pacific[c]Govindia[c]Ramaba[c]For[c]Balder[c]Eluvatar[c]Zemnaya Svoboda[c]Against[c]Taijitu, Osiris, The Rejected Realms
I have voted in Taijitu,
The WA Affairs Ministry recognizes 19 in favor, 15 against, 4 to abstain, and 3 present. As neither 19 nor 15 is a majority of 38, the Ministry would advise the Delegate to abstain from voting on the resolution at this time.
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"Condemn The United Defenders League" was defeated 7,539 votes to 3,654.
Voting on this resolution has ended.
Thanks to those nations who cast their votes. Your participation is a great help to the region.
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Voting on this resolution has ended.
Thanks to those nations who cast their votes. Your participation is a great help to the region.
This topic has been locked and sent to the Archives for safekeeping. If you would like this topic to be re-opened for further discussion, please contact the WA Delegate, a Global Moderator, or an Administrator for assistance. Thank you.