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Any nation that accumulated more than about 100 SPDR outside TNP could have a difficult time joining the SC, yes.
1) The bill does not specify 100 SPDREluvatar:Any nation that accumulated more than about 100 SPDR outside TNP could have a difficult time joining the SC, yes.
r3n:3. The influence requirement is either being able to demonstrate a quantity of influence in The North Pacific corresponding to an influence score (Soft Power Disbursement Rating) larger than 300, or having an influence rank in The North Pacific greater than or equal to Vassal.
The way this is written, it could be construed as requiring the Security Council to support a Delegate that is not legitimate. Meaning that, if a Delegate goes rogue, or a usurper comes to power (a non-legitimate delegate), then the SC would be required to support said rogue or usurper because regardless of status, legitimate or otherwise, the "Delegate" is exempt from the endorsement requirements.Eluvatar:Section 5.1: Requirements:
9.[/i][/s][/color] Thelegitimateserving Delegate is exempt from endorsement requirements.
Roman doesn't this cover that:Romanoffia:The way this is written, it could be construed as requiring the Security Council to support a Delegate that is not legitimate. Meaning that, if a Delegate goes rogue, or a usurper comes to power (a non-legitimate delegate), then the SC would be required to support said rogue or usurper because regardless of status, legitimate or otherwise, the "Delegate" is exempt from the endorsement requirements.Eluvatar:Section 5.1: Requirements:
9.[/i][/s][/color] Thelegitimateserving Delegate is exempt from endorsement requirements.
The term "Delegate" needs to be specifically defined or at least given a specific embeded reference in this document.
Just sayin', given the legalistic nature of the region.
4. In this Chapter, the serving Delegate means the legal Delegate or, in the absence of a legal Delegate, the acting Delegate.
Security Council Reform Bill:A Proposal to Amend a Law
The below amendment to the North Pacific Legal Code will be applied.
Chapter 5: Security Council Law:Chapter 5: Security Council Law
1. Any laws regulating the activities of the Security Council must be listed in this chapter.
2. In this chapter, "Council" means the Security Council.
3. In this Chapter, the serving Delegate means the legal Delegate or, in the absence of a legal Delegate, the acting Delegate.
Section 5.1: Requirements
3. The influence requirement will consist of aMembers of the Council will maintain anTNP influencelevelscore (Soft Power Disbursement Rating) greater than or equal toor greater than Vassal300, though when a nation's influence score within TNP is unknown as the displayed score may include significant influence within other regions, a TNP influence rank greater than or equal to Vassal may be substituted.
4. Members of the Council will maintain an endorsement level within the range described in this Section.
4. In this Chapter, the serving Delegate means the legal Delegate or, in the absence of a legal Delegate, the acting Delegate.
5. The minimum endorsement countlevelis defined asbeing 50100 endorsements, or fifty per cent of the serving Delegate's endorsement count, whichever is least.
6. The maximum endorsement countlevelis defined as2040 fewer endorsements than the serving Delegate's endorsement count, or eighty-five percent of said count, whichever is greatest.
7. Where the computation results in fractions, the count shall be rounded down.
8.The required range is to be applied in a reasonable manner, taking into account such factors as transitions between elected Delegates, the recall of a Delegate, or periods of Delegate inactivity.The
9.legitimateserving Delegate is exempt from endorsement requirements.
Section 5.2: Admission
8. Any Regional Assembly member satisfying the influence requirement and endorsement count requirement may apply to join the Security Council.
9. An application which does not meet the appropriate requirements or ceases to meet them must be rejected.
Section 5.23: Enforcement
10.IfWhenever any Council member does nothave the requiredsatisfy either the influencelevel,orexceeds or does not meet the requiredthe endorsementlevelrequirement, the Vice Delegatewillmust warn them. If, and if the Council member does not come into compliance withinat least fifteeneight days of the warning, the Vice Delegatewillmust suspend them.
11. The Vice Delegateshallmust remove members of the Council whose member nation no longer exists orno longer resides involuntarily departs The North Pacific or resigns from the World Assembly outside the needs of a NPA sanctioned mission.
12. The Vice Delegatewillmust report any suspension or removal of a member of the Council to the Regional Assembly.
13. If a suspended member of the Council comes back into compliance with the endorsement and influence requirements, the Vice Delegate will reinstate them.
14. A majority of the Council may vote to determine that the continued membership in the Council of a member poses a security risk to The North Pacific and request approval from the Regional Assembly to remove the member from the Council.
15. The Speaker of the Regional Assembly will submit the request to an immediate vote of the Regional Assembly; approval will require a two-thirds majority.
16. The Council may task a member with taking actions required under this chapter in the absence of the Vice Delegate.
17. During any period when serving as acting Delegate, the Vice Delegate will be considered absent from the office of Vice Delegate.
18. If the Vice Delegate nation ceases to exist or voluntarily departs The North Pacific or resigns from the World Assembly, or fails to maintain an endorsement level within the range required of Council members for over eight days, the Vice Delegate will be removed from office.
Section 5.4: Sanity
The Security Council Law is to be applied in a reasonable manner.The Vice Delegate and Council members will act reasonably in the execution of these rules.
1a) regarding definition - it has been moved from 5.1:4 to the top.Great Bights Mum:I've had a chance to study the proposal a bit more and would like to discuss a few points.
First, some housekeeping details:
5.1:4 should be moved up with the definitions
5.1:6 reads "eightycount" instead of 85%
5.3:18 "the range required of Council members for over ," should read: "the range required of Council members or over,"
2) I think the thing could still work without a "reasonable" clause but to be safe have reinstated one as 5.4Great Bights Mum:Second, why are we getting rid of 5.1:8, which calls for reasonable enforcement of the endorsement standards? I like that clause. It helps prevent the sort of impractical rigidity we have seen with other laws. Absent a good reason for repealing it, I think it should be kept in.
3) As Elu Eluded to, the 5.3.11 is regarding the removal of members for dropping WA, where NPA sanctioned missions is an exception, whereas this does not affect the 8 day deadline for meeting the normal SC member requirements, which is controlled by 5.3.1 and is regarding suspension. Therefore any unreasonable deployment will cause the SC member to be suspended for violation of 5.3.1Great Bights Mum:Third, 5.3:11. About these NPA sanctioned missions. None of the limits we discussed above have been incorporated. Nowhere does it say that we need to be reasonable about it. It could mean a long deployment. It could mean most of the SC aren't around to secure the region. If you look at the NPA guidelines, there is a lot of latitude to sanction all kinds of missions, of any frequency and duration. The current language of the proposal gives everyone in the SC carte blanche to be on active duty abroad for an indefinite amount of time. I'm already feeling less secure.
4) Covered by the new part 5.4Great Bights Mum:Finally, the standards for the VD in 5.3:18 do not take into account certain scenarios. For example, the RA may elect a nation who has 0 endorsements. Is he going to be immediately removed from office? Well no, that wouldn't be reasonable. I am just not in favor of establishing hard and fast rules that don't allow for prudent action if unanticipated situations arise.
In response to:Security Council Reform Bill:A Proposal to Amend a Law
The below amendment to the North Pacific Legal Code will be applied.
Chapter 5: Security Council Law:Chapter 5: Security Council Law
1. Any laws regulating the activities of the Security Council must be listed in this chapter.
2. In this chapter, "Council" means the Security Council.
3. In this Chapter, the serving Delegate means the legal Delegate or, in the absence of a legal Delegate, the acting Delegate.
Section 5.1: Requirements
3. The influence requirement will consist of aMembers of the Council will maintain anTNP influencelevelscore (Soft Power Disbursement Rating) greater than or equal toor greater than Vassal300, though when a nation's influence score within TNP is unknown as the displayed score may include significant influence within other regions, a TNP influence rank greater than or equal to Vassal may be substituted.
4. Members of the Council will maintain an endorsement level within the range described in this Section.
45. The minimum endorsement countlevelis defined asbeing 50100 endorsements, or fifty per cent of the serving Delegate's endorsement count, whichever is least.
56. The maximum endorsement countlevelis defined as2040 fewer endorsements than the serving Delegate's endorsement count, or eighty-five percent of said count, whichever is greatest.
67. Where the computation results in fractions, the count shall be rounded down.
78.The required range is to be applied in a reasonable manner, taking into account such factors as transitions between elected Delegates, the recall of a Delegate, or periods of Delegate inactivity.The
9.legitimateserving Delegate is exempt from endorsement requirements.
Section 5.2: Admission
8. Any Regional Assembly member satisfying the influence requirement and endorsement count requirement may apply to join the Security Council.
9. An application which does not meet the appropriate requirements or ceases to meet them must be rejected.
Section 5.23: Enforcement
10.IfWhenever any Council member fails to meet any requirements to maintain their positiondoes nothave the required satisfy either the influence level, or exceeds or does not meet the required the endorsement level requirement, the Vice Delegatewillmust warn them. If, and if the Council member does not come into compliance withinat least fifteeneight days of the warning, the Vice Delegatewillmust suspend them.
11. The Vice Delegateshallmust remove members of the Council whose member nation no longer exists,no longer resides involuntarily departs The North Pacific, or resigns from the World Assembly outside the needs of a NPA sanctioned mission.
12. The Vice Delegatewillmust report any suspension or removal of a member of the Council to the Regional Assembly.
13. If a suspended member of the Council comes back into compliance with the endorsement and influence requirements, the Vice Delegate will reinstate them.
14. A majority of the Council may vote to determine that the continued membership in the Council of a member poses a security risk to The North Pacific and request approval from the Regional Assembly to remove the member from the Council.
15. The Speaker of the Regional Assembly will submit the request to an immediate vote of the Regional Assembly; approval will require a two-thirds majority.
16. The Council may task a member with taking actions required under this chapter in the absence of the Vice Delegate.
17. During any period when serving as acting Delegate, the Vice Delegate will be considered absent from the office of Vice Delegate.
18. If the Vice Delegate nation ceases to exist,orvoluntarily departs The North Pacific,orresigns from the World Assembly, or fails to maintain an endorsement level within the range required of Council membersfor overfor more than eight days, the Vice Delegate will be removed from office.
Section 5.4: Sanity
The Security Council Law is to be applied in a reasonable manner.
Thanks. The 5, 6, 7, and 8 in 5.1 have been renumbered 4, 5, 6, 7.Great Bights Mum:Thanks, Chas. This revision adequately addresses my concerns. After 5.1 it should start with the number 4. Then I think it's good to go.
Updated.SillyString:Couple suggestions:
5.3.18: "for over" would read more clearly if it were swapped to "for more than".
Updated.SillyString:5.3.10. The use of either/or could potentially be interpreted as saying that the VD need not warn the council member if both requirements are not met at the same time. Perhaps change the wording to, something like, "Whenever any Council member fails to meet any requirements to maintain their position, the Vice Delegate must give them a warning. If a member does not meet the requirement within eight days after receiving a warning, their membership on the Council will be suspended." This, I believe, would be clearer - and means less editing in the future if we decide to change the requirements for SC members.
Updated.SillyString:5.3.11. I believe the insertion of some commae would improve readability. "The Vice Delegate must remove members of the Council whose member nation no longer exists,orvoluntarily departs The North Pacific, or resigns from the World Assembly outside the needs of a NPA sanctioned mission." Without commae, the scope of the final clause is vague, and implies that an SC nation could CTE on the orders of the NPA.
The RA has the legal responsibility for establishing an order of succession for the eventuality where the vice delegate is out of office. The vice delegate would only be absent for as long as the delegate is absent. The acting chair would do the vice delegate's duties for as long as the vice delegate was doing the delegate's duties. The assumption of the other person's duties is triggered by absence but the election is triggered only by an actual vacancy.SillyString:5.3.17. I have not checked other law for clarification yet, but could this clause trigger an unnecessary election? That is, if the Delegate were to go on a short vacation and leave the VD as Acting Delegate - temporarily carrying out the duties of the office but not holding the seat - would a clause declaring an absence in the Office of the VD be a legal conundrum?
Updated. The office of vice delegate would simply become vacant at that point. The duties of the vice delegate would be performed by the acting chair.SillyString:5.3.18. Again I think some commae could help. "If the Vice Delegate nation ceases to exist,orvoluntarily departs The North Pacific,orresigns from the World Assembly, or fails to maintain an endorsement level within the range required of Council members for over eight days, the Vice Delegate will be removed from office." I also wonder if the mechanism for the final clause should be specified - who removes the VD?
Security Council Reform Bill:A Proposal to Amend a Law
Chapter 5 of the Legal Code, which currently reads as follows:
be amended with the following changes:Chapter 5: Security Council Law:Chapter 5: Security Council Law
1. Any laws regulating the activities of the Security Council must be listed in this chapter.
2. In this chapter, "Council" means the Security Council.
Section 5.1: Requirements
3. Members of the Council will maintain an influence level equal to or greater than Vassal.
4. Members of the Council will maintain an endorsement level within the range described in this Section.
5. The minimum level is defined as being 50 endorsements, or fifty per cent of the serving Delegate's endorsement count, whichever is least.
6. The maximum level is defined as 20 fewer endorsements than the serving Delegate's endorsement count, or eighty-five percent of said count, whichever is greatest.
7. Where the computation results in fractions, the count shall be rounded down.
8. The required range is to be applied in a reasonable manner, taking into account such factors as transitions between elected Delegates, the recall of a Delegate, or periods of Delegate inactivity.
9. The legitimate Delegate is exempt from endorsement requirements.
Section 5.2: Enforcement
10. If any Council member does not have the required influence level, or exceeds or does not meet the required endorsement level, the Vice Delegate will warn them. If the Council member does not come into compliance within at least fifteen days of the warning, the Vice Delegate will suspend them.
11. The Vice Delegate shall remove members of the Council whose member nation no longer exists or no longer resides in The North Pacific or resigns from the World Assembly.
12. The Vice Delegate will report any suspension or removal of a member of the Council to the Regional Assembly.
13. If a suspended member of the Council comes back into compliance with the endorsement and influence requirements, the Vice Delegate will reinstate them.
14. A majority of the Council may vote to determine that the continued membership in the Council of a member poses a security risk to The North Pacific and request approval from the Regional Assembly to remove the member from the Council.
15. The Speaker of the Regional Assembly will submit the request to an immediate vote of the Regional Assembly; approval will require a two-thirds majority.
so that it will read as follows:Chapter 5: Security Council Law:Chapter 5: Security Council Law
1. Any laws regulating the activities of the Security Council must be listed in this chapter.
2. In this chapter, "Council" means the Security Council.
3. In this Chapter, the serving Delegate means the legal Delegate or, in the absence of a legal Delegate, the acting Delegate.
Section 5.1: Requirements
43. The influence requirement will consist of aMembers of the Council will maintain anTNP influencelevelscore (Soft Power Disbursement Rating) greater than or equal toor greater than Vassal300, though when a nation's influence score within TNP is unknown as the displayed score may include significant influence within other regions, a TNP influence rank greater than or equal to Vassal may be substituted.
4. Members of the Council will maintain an endorsement level within the range described in this Section.
5. The minimum endorsement countlevelis defined asbeing 50100 endorsements, or fifty per cent of the serving Delegate's endorsement count, whichever is least.
6. The maximum endorsement countlevelis defined as2040 fewer endorsements than the serving Delegate's endorsement count, or eighty-five percent of said count, whichever is greatest.
7. Where the computation results in fractions, the count shall be rounded down.
8.The required range is to be applied in a reasonable manner, taking into account such factors as transitions between elected Delegates, the recall of a Delegate, or periods of Delegate inactivity.The
9.legitimateserving Delegate is exempt from endorsement requirements.
Section 5.2: Admission
89. Any Regional Assembly member satisfying the influence requirement and endorsement count requirement may apply to join the Security Council.
910. An application which does not meet the appropriate requirements or ceases to meet them must be rejected.
Section 5.23: Enforcement
1011.IfWhenever any Council member fails to meet any requirements to maintain their positiondoes nothave the required satisfy either the influence level, or exceeds or does not meet the required the endorsement level requirement, the Vice Delegatewillmust warn them. If, and if the Council member does not come into compliance withinat least fifteeneight days of the warning, the Vice Delegatewillmust suspend them.
1112. The Vice Delegateshallmust remove members of the Council whose member nation no longer exists,no longer resides involuntarily departs The North Pacific, or resigns from the World Assembly outside the needs of a NPA sanctioned mission.
1213. The Vice Delegatewillmust report any suspension or removal of a member of the Council to the Regional Assembly.
1314. If a suspended member of the Council comes back into compliance with the endorsement and influence requirements, the Vice Delegate will reinstate them.
1415. A majority of the Council may vote to determine that the continued membership in the Council of a member poses a security risk to The North Pacific and request approval from the Regional Assembly to remove the member from the Council.
1516. The Speaker of the Regional Assembly will submit the request to an immediate vote of the Regional Assembly; approval will require a two-thirds majority.
17. The Council may task a member with taking actions required under this chapter in the absence of the Vice Delegate.
18. During any period when serving as acting Delegate, the Vice Delegate will be considered absent from the office of Vice Delegate.
19. If the Vice Delegate nation ceases to exist,orvoluntarily departs The North Pacific,orresigns from the World Assembly, or fails to maintain an endorsement level within the range required of Council membersfor overfor more than eight days, the Vice Delegate will be removed from office.
Section 5.4: Sanity
20. The Security Council Law is to be applied in a reasonable manner.
Chapter 5: Security Council Law:Chapter 5: Security Council Law
1. Any laws regulating the activities of the Security Council must be listed in this chapter.
2. In this chapter, "Council" means the Security Council.
3. In this Chapter, the serving Delegate means the legal Delegate or, in the absence of a legal Delegate, the acting Delegate.
Section 5.1: Requirements
4. The influence requirement will consist of a TNP influence score (Soft Power Disbursement Rating) greater than or equal to 300, though when a nation's influence score within TNP is unknown as the displayed score may include significant influence within other regions, a TNP influence rank greater than or equal to Vassal may be substituted.
5. The minimum endorsement count is defined as 100 endorsements, or fifty per cent of the serving Delegate's endorsement count, whichever is least.
6. The maximum endorsement count is defined as 40 fewer endorsements than the serving Delegate's endorsement count, or eighty-five percent of said count, whichever is greatest.
7. Where the computation results in fractions, the count shall be rounded down.
8. The serving Delegate is exempt from endorsement requirements.
Section 5.2: Admission
9. Any Regional Assembly member satisfying the influence requirement and endorsement count requirement may apply to join the Security Council.
10. An application which does not meet the appropriate requirements or ceases to meet them must be rejected.
Section 5.3: Enforcement
11. Whenever any Council member fails to meet any requirements to maintain their position, the Vice Delegate must warn them, and if the Council member does not come into compliance within eight days of the warning, the Vice Delegate must suspend them.
12. The Vice Delegate must remove members of the Council whose member nation no longer exists, voluntarily departs The North Pacific, or resigns from the World Assembly outside the needs of a NPA sanctioned mission.
13. The Vice Delegate must report any suspension or removal of a member of the Council to the Regional Assembly.
14. If a suspended member of the Council comes back into compliance with the endorsement and influence requirements, the Vice Delegate will reinstate them.
15. A majority of the Council may vote to determine that the continued membership in the Council of a member poses a security risk to The North Pacific and request approval from the Regional Assembly to remove the member from the Council.
16. The Speaker of the Regional Assembly will submit the request to an immediate vote of the Regional Assembly; approval will require a two-thirds majority.
17. The Council may task a member with taking actions required under this chapter in the absence of the Vice Delegate.
18. During any period when serving as acting Delegate, the Vice Delegate will be considered absent from the office of Vice Delegate.
19. If the Vice Delegate nation ceases to exist, voluntarily departs The North Pacific, resigns from the World Assembly, or fails to maintain an endorsement level within the range required of Council members for more than eight days, the Vice Delegate will be removed from office.
Section 5.4: Sanity
20. The Security Council Law is to be applied in a reasonable manner.