Council of Five results

peoples empire:

Detbyron:

So confused. Ok, so,
This election was for the Delegate to choose his/her Cabinet?
And the Delegate included himself/herself?
And the Delegate certified the results himself/herself?

I may not have taken Government in High School, and I may not watch C-Span, and I may not be able to explain the difference between a Capitalist and a Socialist...
But it smells to me like the Delegate is trying to slowly grab power.
Just throwing it out there.

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one of my concerns is the delegate being a member of his own cabinet. I think being delegate is enough power for one person without being head of a ministry on top of it.

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So you would rather have the Delegate not be a part of the Cabinet? That makes no sense - the Delegate is the head of the Cabinet and in this system that was created he would actually need to have a seat on said Cabinet to be the head.

Well, I sort of agree with this. It's in bad tastes for the delegate to appoint himself the minister of something. For example, I could have easily appointed myself Minister of Defense last term when I was delegate and even considered it simply for the purpose of personally making sure the NPA actually got revived and back on its feet. Instead I appointed McMaster and I think that worked out rather well. If we can't find enough people in TNP interested enough to take a Cabinet position, then that position is not worth having.

- For once BWII has made some good points here.

I have to agree. There is a certain unorthodox nature in the delegate appointing themselves to a cabinet position.

Would be an understatement. It's dictatorial (president for life, ie.).

I think the Delegate needs to be a part of the cabinet, one thing I've debated with Eluvatar several times is whether or not the elected delegate needs to be re-elected in the council of five elections just to get a seat (and a vote) in the cabinet.

I consider this a bit unnecessary, because presumably a hostile cabinet could be elected effectively cutting the Delegate out of the process. Furthermore the ministry position adds to the Delegates workload, and in some ways means that by voting for other options you increase the level of participation in the government.

I just don't understand the need to elect the delegate twice, to get him or her into cabinet.

If we were to have the Council of Five have the Delegate have a seat automatically, then we would be electing 4 people, and those 4 would represent the region while the Delegate would presumably represent the majority, meaning the majority would be 20% overrepresented.

If the Delegate has no vote in the Council, it's a bit odd for them to chair it.

I haven't appointed myself to anything; the council as a whole appointed me to run the Immigration and Internal Affairs Ministry, and I've been taking care of several (but not yet all) of its duties.

As for saor's comment, I don't understand it one bit. I am elected to serve as Delegate for a four month term by the Regional Assembly, and there is a term limitation against having more than 2 consecutive terms. That's most definitely not "for life." And I think our system is fairly clear that I do not have dictatorial powers.

I stand corrected.

You could keep electing 5 people, with the Delegate taking automatically a 6th seat with a vote and without portfolio.
You are right. The Delegate absolutely has to be in the cabinet - i don't think that is what is being questioned here, nor is your work ethic as a minister for that matter.
For me its more that it makes little sense to effectively elect the delegate twice, just to give him or her a vote in their cabinet.

You would think that the Delegate has the ultimate say in the Cabinet anyway. Hence, the Delegate always presides over the Delegate's own cabinet.

mcmasterdonia:

You could keep electing 5 people, with the Delegate taking automatically a 6th seat with a vote and without portfolio.
You are right. The Delegate absolutely has to be in the cabinet - i don't think that is what is being questioned here, nor is your work ethic as a minister for that matter.
For me its more that it makes little sense to effectively elect the delegate twice, just to give him or her a vote in their cabinet.

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Firstly it'd then be a Council of Six.

Secondly, the majority would then be overrepresented by 18%.

Eluvatar:

If we were to have the Council of Five have the Delegate have a seat automatically, then we would be electing 4 people, and those 4 would represent the region while the Delegate would presumably represent the majority, meaning the majority would be 20% overrepresented.

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Ah, the joys of mathematics overcoming common sense.