President Obama!

Sydia

TNPer
Anyone watching the inauguration?

Eight years of Bush, and we're left with two unwinnable wars and the collapse of the world's banking system - I think we got off lightly.

Also, the Chief Justice is an idiot. Rehearse it first! Botching up the most important moment of the (insert time frame here)!
 
If anything serious happens to Byrd or Ted Kennedy, the Democratic Senate will be left without a conscience.

Obama's cherry picking cabinet didn't help either.
 
Aye but it didn't come across like that...the reporters are all jumping up and down now saying how he 'must be nervous' etc etc lol.
 
The oath of office for the Presidency of the US is in the constitution, (Article 2, Clause 8 for constitution geeks among us), it makes sense that Obama would have it memorised and twig that Roberts had read it out of order.
 
Looking back on the recorded event, it does seem quite clear that Obama deliberately waited for Roberts to correct himself. Unfortunate that it seemed like an error on his part, though.
 
The oath of office for the Presidency of the US is in the constitution, (Article 2, Clause 8 for constitution geeks among us), it makes sense that Obama would have it memorised and twig that Roberts had read it out of order.
Obama has a degree on Constitutional Law. He's practically qualified to actually be in the Supreme Court, much less appoint it.
 
Just as a little side note; the collapsing world banking system has little to do with Bush. The currency of the US is not actually controlled by the US government. While the US foreign policy does somewhat hurt the situation the problem lies in poor rate management by the Federal Reserve board. The current problem stems back to the Clinton Era. The banking systems fear of recessions and artificial inflation of market bubbles is the major underlying cause.
 
Just as a little side note; the collapsing world banking system has little to do with Bush. The currency of the US is not actually controlled by the US government. While the US foreign policy does somewhat hurt the situation the problem lies in poor rate management by the Federal Reserve board. The current problem stems back to the Clinton Era. The banking systems fear of recessions and artificial inflation of market bubbles is the major underlying cause.
Hate to do the run around with you again but posting huge deficits devalued the American dollar, which in turn drove the credit frenzy. Make more money the debt seems smaller. Greenspan then made credit more easily available, once again to drive up a trillion dollar debt to pay for useless wars and needless tax cuts for the rich. When Warren Buffet the richest men in the US, hell the world, says he doesn't need a tax cut... I mean c'mon!

Now that there's barely a US economy left, we need to run even higher deficits to make sure there's a US economy left for the future.
 
Time for some monetary policy 101. The USD IS a credit. The value of the dollar is based on how much physical currency is in circulation. When the Federal Reserve "cuts the rate" they are actually just printing more money. This creates inflation and is in turn what devalues the currency. By creating the money they are actually creating the debt, because the US government buys each dollar at face value plus a percentage of interest.
 
When they cut the rate, they are cutting the primary rate in which interest builds, and the rate on which all other interest rates is based.

If you have less interest, wouldn't it mean you are producing less currency since new money is being created (via compound interest) at a slower rate than usual?
 
When they cut the rate, they are cutting the primary rate in which interest builds, and the rate on which all other interest rates is based.

If you have less interest, wouldn't it mean you are producing less currency since new money is being created (via compound interest) at a slower rate than usual?
Correct on th first part, but no to the second. Cutting the rate encourages more borrowing. When more borrowing happens the money has to be created; thus creating more inflation and currency in circulation. Back in 2007 Zimbabwe increased it's rate in an attempt to deflate it's currency when hyperinflation was happening because of bad rate management. Though it failed mostly, because people kept borrowing.
 
I'm guessing as a Ron Paul supporter you're an advocate of the gold standard. But if what you're saying is true, that printing money itself is a credit then that would mean the the entire history of the US would've been marked for high inflation for all of its history since 1916. Yet that hasn't been the case.

High inflation historically has been more the cause of either wages, oil costs, or deficits. Even now, inflation is middling because of falling wages and the collapse of oil prices.

You say that the President doesn't control monetary affairs, while legally this is true it is hard to believe that the economy which all Presidents are judged from merely selects the Treasury Board then goes twiddle his thumbs and hopes for the best is simply naive. Especially from a President known for abusing Executive Powers. At the very least, the President can not only lobby to control the Treasury's actions but put in place laws to legally bound their actions, something Bush never would've done given his ideological leanings.

When it came for economic leadership, all he did was plow more money at the problem, raise more debt, and did nothing for accountability.

All of this is Bush's fault, he chose to do nothing. He surrounded himself with the very investment bankers that caused this crisis and he idly let Greenspan tout his "government is evil, so hands off!" and "more credit yay!" policies. And when the crisis hit full swing, what did he propose? TARP, the largest government bail out in world history. Almost a trillion dollars for nothing but to pad the quarterly earnings report of corrupt bankers.

If the banks are solely responsible then why didn't Bush do what was historically correct and buy up the toxic shares of the debt, buy up up stakes at the bank, and force them to lend and lower interest rates? Because of the same ideological bull that gave us two wars without end, a world economic credit crunch caused by greedy American bankers, and a legacy of making government as useless as they wanted it to be.
 
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