The Pacific Army Goes Under The Sea

Krulltopia

Krulltopia

TNPer
The Pacific Army Goes Under The Sea

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Commandante of The Pacific Army, Limitless Events, orders his men into the region

Underwater Rifts
25th May 2008

After various warnings, The Pacific Army moved in against frequent and ignorant Adspamming region Underwater Rifts. Despite erecting a wall of psychic energy around the region, scouts for The Pacific Army managed to acquire the password in a display of unmatched cunning:

UR Guard: Halt! You need a password to enter this region!
PA Trooper: Ok....what is it?
UR Guard: 170101! But don't tell anyone!!
PA Trooper: Thanks...do you mind if I bring my friends?
UR Guard: The more the merrier!!
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Of course, this was rendered a moot point when the delegate decided to remove the password. The Pacific Army then moved in, in order to exact retribution for over-long adverts and poor grammar. There were outbursts from other hypocritical userite regions, but the most entertaining display came from members of the region The Dark Side, a region consisting of 2 WA nations and what appears to be around 18 puppets so that the two real people don't get lonely. TDS have also had run ins with The Pacific regarding the 8 line rule, whining about it until mod intervention shut them up. The Pacific Post has managed to acquire the following interview with a member of this 'great region': "You better get out, or I'll hit you with my lightsaber! And it will HURT too, cause it's real plastic!" The interview was cut short after the interviewee started waving it in the reporters general direction, and ended up knocking themselves unconscious. So it probably would hurt.

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A member of the region The Dark Side, shortly before rendering himself unconscious

Meanwhile, there were attempts to find a diplomatic solution, as shown in the following Telegram sent to Emperor Moo-Cows with Guns:

I'd like to ask you about the invasion of Underwater Rifts as supposedly ordered by you? I apologize on behalf of the region for recruiters breaking your rules relating to recruiting. I can guarantee you that if you are willing to call off the invasion and we work diplomatically the recruiters will be replaced ASAP and all region approved recruitment messages will be in accordance with your rules. I hope we can work through this diplomatically.
Slovalia
Foreign Minister of Underwater Rifts Pre-Invasion
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However, these talks were swiftly curtailed by the majority of others within the region, who responded with threats and insults . Moderator intervention resulted in one of the perpetrators being deleted. As such, it has been decided that the region shall be burnt to the ground, as an example to all those who dare cross The Pacific. Pacific Army Troopers have been seen purchasing large amounts of marshmallows, although it may be difficult to burn something under the sea.
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Written by Krulltopia
Writer of The Pacific Post - If We Didn't Write It, It's a Lie!
Copyright 2008, The Pacific Post. All rights reserved

Note that all of this is fabricated and not based on (much) fact
 
:clap: :clap:

And if you do this to ad-spam violating regions, they tend to stop ad-spamming!
 
Sydia:
I propose the NPA be redeployed for this sole purpose. For a kick-off, it's hilarious.
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:lol:

That would be priceless!

You move nations in under the guise of joining their region and then inject a little chaos and anarchy into their power structure. The entertainment value would be priceless!
 
Vrtbovska Zahrada:
Or we could at least create a section of the NPA for this purpose?

I personally really like the BSS of TWP, for example.
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Wonder why...

I don't find this remotely funny personally. Its bullying by large regions.

Gatesville and Equilism ganged up to do it to us so why would we be such hypocrits to even consider giving anything from moral support to military to such an initiative.
 
Come on, do you see all those clapping hands?

I'm not the only one!

And of course only those regions who violate our RMB-ad rules would risk action from our side. :)
 
Al Homa:
Vrtbovska Zahrada:
Or we could at least create a section of the NPA for this purpose?

I personally really like the BSS of TWP, for example.
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Wonder why...

I don't find this remotely funny personally. Its bullying by large regions.

Gatesville and Equilism ganged up to do it to us so why would we be such hypocrites to even consider giving anything from moral support to military to such an initiative.
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The recruiters should not be allowed to simply ignore our rules. They did not respond to telegrams, so we took further action. If they had responded properly, it would never have gone this far. As it was, they decided to ignore our diplomatic approach, and The Pacific does not give second chances to Userites.

As I have been constantly told, times have changed.
 
Vrtbovska Zahrada:
And of course only those regions who violate our RMB-ad rules would risk action from our side. :)
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How can we expect others to respect our national sovereignty when we don't respect theirs? The North Pacific has always fault against such actions...its one of our understood principals. We are above such actions. I would not support anything that I believe will tarnish our image more than it has been already. Actions like this sometimes lead to a backlash that I don't think we should be asking for.

Things change yes...but not everything should.
 
Not to mention the fact that as a feeder, taking over regions with what? ... three? active nations would PROVE to the WORLD how hard as nails we are, and what large testicles we have.

Feeder? I would be ashamed to call myself one. But the one situation that DID change long ago in this game was that pride largely went out of it.
 
Weird that you think this little, rather insignificant game exists to prove anything (the hardness of anything....nails, testicles, any old thing).

So, if you want to take the same measures, spamming their RMB's would certainly be alright?
 
Vrtbovska Zahrada:
Weird that you think this little, rather insignificant game exists to prove anything (the hardness of anything....nails, testicles, any old thing).

So, if you want to take the same measures, spamming their RMB's would certainly be alright?
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Oh but it's illegal for us to advertise on their RMB.
 
Al Homa:
Vrtbovska Zahrada:
Or we could at least create a section of the NPA for this purpose?

I personally really like the BSS of TWP, for example.
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Wonder why...

I don't find this remotely funny personally. Its bullying by large regions.

Gatesville and Equilism ganged up to do it to us so why would we be such hypocrits to even consider giving anything from moral support to military to such an initiative.
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It's not hypocrisy in the least. Someone comes into your region and violates the rules. Should they not be expected to pay the penalty? Do you let a burglar go because to arrest him would be bullying him?

The one thing (amongst several things) that TNP needs to do is to take control of our own RMB instead of letting spammers come in and post all manner of ascii art and 50 line recruitment adverts.

Controlling our RMB is a matter of nation security and nation retention. If recruiters insist on violating reasonable rules, then they should be willing to pay the price for doing so. Recruiters are foreign entities - since when do we allow foreign entities to have free rein over our RMB (and hence, region) without requiring them to adhere to the rules?

What the hell is the point of having rules if no one has the will to enforce those rules?
 
Oh for goodness sakes. Adspam is adspam. I dont care if its 8 lines long or 12 lines long or 25 lines long to be honest, its the same load of rubbish that I dont care about. If you have an issue with it then banject everyone who comes in to post adspam and spend your time posting on the RMB to bump it off if you're that concerned about it.

I for one couldn't care less about a regional message board that I'll probably never look at more than twice a year. If it means so much to you then an 8 line limit isn't going to halt that adverts so you're going to have to actively converse enough to reduce its effectiveness enough to dissuade people from doing it.

And Roman, I'm not even going to bother responding to that hideous burglar analogy you've tried to prove a point with. My goodness!
 
It's not hypocrisy in the least. Someone comes into your region and violates the rules.
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Sounds fair, until you start asking questions like "whose rules?" In this game, if you want to be hawkish, it is easy to find an excuse to invade someone. "They wrote an advert over XX lines long" "They wrote a satire" "They did not show us enough respect"....

The problem is, once you decide that regional sovereignty does not matter for all sorts of good reasons, you will eventually decide that it does not matter for all sorts of bad reasons, and eventually you will not need any reason at all.

and eventually when someone says "Let's invade XXXXX because it is a wet Sunday afternoon and I have nothing to do", you find that there is no high ground left.

The one thing (amongst several things) that TNP needs to do is to take control of our own RMB
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Then use it. Last night I looked at the RMB and there was not a single post on it from a TNP native. I am looking there now: perhaps one native post. A lot of recruiters gave up during the Crimson War because they knew their ad would be scrolled off in a few minutes. Today their ad could stay on the RMB for seven hours.

Folks in this thread are reminding me of the kid in the playground who owns a shiny ball. He does not want to play with it, but it is his so he will be damned if anyone else can, and he will thump any kid who tries. So he sits on a bench with the ball beside him, smugly watching the other kids.

For me that is a far better analogy for the current situation than a burglar breaking into your house. You care about your house.
 
The Pacific's choice to curtail adspam to 8 lines has been backed up by the game Mods. A region is permitted to make it's own rules with this regard, so long as it does not break game rules. Some of the good effects of this policy are that adspammers are beginning to read the RMB before they post. Some have adapted their spam to fit each specific region's requirements. The shorter ads are actually more effective (not so great for TP, but you can't win em all). In short it is helping to force ad spammers to engage their brains and make their stuff less like spam and more like ads.

That being said, I do not think TNP should follow in TPs footsteps just because it is working for TP. This is a different place with different goals. Perhaps it is time for TNP to sit down and decide what is it's purpose in the game and for it's own community. TNP has evolved over time. But what has it become? With a more clear vision of what TNP represents, the region stands a better chance of becoming known for something besides choking bureaucracy and quarterly coups.

What does TNP mean to us? What do we like about it? What do we wish we had more of or less of?
 
I'm sure someone in TP has a screen shot of it. You will have to ask them. The Moderators came to their RMB to correct an irate adspammer about TP's right to put limits on the length of their adspam.
 
Darkesia:
I'm sure someone in TP has a screen shot of it. You will have to ask them. The Moderators came to their RMB to correct an irate adspammer about TP's right to put limits on the length of their adspam.
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That doesn't mean they approve it, they were probably just reiterating that such a policy doesn't break game rules.
 
Missed the whole point by about 2.5 miles.


Edit: In the truly exasperating TNP style we have all come to know and hate.
 
In addition, the MODS also showed up in the Underwater Rifts to delete a one of the adspammers who was being indecent, clear the RMB of his rants, and defend TP's use of the game mechanics to take their region.
 
I see no problem with TP's actions. It's obviously legal, and I can see the temptation to teach annoying adspammers a lesson.

I don't know about TNP doing likewise. TP has always been rather hawkish, so this action isn't that big a surprise from them. I'm in favor of taking back our RMB, but I like TWP's approach: post on the damn thing.
 
Outer Kharkistania:
In addition, the MODS also showed up in the Underwater Rifts to delete a one of the adspammers who was being indecent, clear the RMB of his rants, and defend TP's use of the game mechanics to take their region.
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Even if they were rude, it doesn't justify invasion. It's essentially bullying. I mean, they're a small UCR, versus a feeder....yea, fair fight <_<

It's like Russia v. Georgia, or China v. Taiwan ....:ADN:
 
Al Homa:
Oh for goodness sakes. Adspam is adspam. I dont care if its 8 lines long or 12 lines long or 25 lines long to be honest, its the same load of rubbish that I dont care about. If you have an issue with it then banject everyone who comes in to post adspam and spend your time posting on the RMB to bump it off if you're that concerned about it.

I for one couldn't care less about a regional message board that I'll probably never look at more than twice a year. If it means so much to you then an 8 line limit isn't going to halt that adverts so you're going to have to actively converse enough to reduce its effectiveness enough to dissuade people from doing it.

And Roman, I'm not even going to bother responding to that hideous burglar analogy you've tried to prove a point with. My goodness!
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The problem is that ban-jecting spammers is a waste of time and influence because they just create a new nation to continue the adspamming. :jack:

Now, a good slapping around has some effect.

@ Flem -

Within the context of game rules, TNP, or any other region is entitled to use their RMB for the region's purposes, or rather the purposes of whomever controls the region. As per who makes the rules, as the ruling regime in the region, we are entitled to make up whatever rules we see fit as long as those rules do not violate game rules.

I do agree that the activity on the RMB by TNPer's is generally nil - and that must be changed and made one of the central tenets of encouraging activity, which this region is notoriously lacking. I generally post on the RMB to bump spam, but a handful of people can't carry the load for those who don't give a hoot.
 
Having a look at the region in question, it kinda looks like you used a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.
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and it would be silly to give someone a kicking if there was any chance of them kicking back, wouldn't it? That would be dangerously verging on bravery.
 
flemingovia:
Having a look at the region in question, it kinda looks like you used a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.
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and it would be silly to give someone a kicking if there was any chance of them kicking back, wouldn't it? That would be dangerously verging on bravery.
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The perfect military strategy. The best fights are those you're sure to win.

If Sun Tsu played NationStates, he'd be in The Pacific.
 
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