Political Party System?

General BenjaminA

General BenjaminA

TNPer
The purpose of the Political Party System would allow those who aren't in the Cabinet or Security Council to act as though they are in a real life government with political parties and political and ideological debates. Here, people will be able to set up their own parties, platforms, and engage in debates about issues and policies.


Ultimately, it is hoped that the Political Party System will keep all persons, regardless of Cabinet involvement, interested in The North Pacific's political issues, and will hopefully create an "opposition" that helps to keep the Cabinet accountable. Further, it may lead to a party system in Canada's electoral process, and will give those interested in becoming a candidate in the next elections time to make their voice and ideas heard, and develop name recognition to help them towards their goal of getting elected.

These parties can elect leaders, make platforms, set goals, and also get more people active within the government and within the region. It would also bring some fun and lively debates on politics and ideology.
 
I will say only that this was attempted, but failed fairly spectacularly -

For the most part, it's called the Lexicon now.

EDIT - gotta change the text color on my theme - looks sexy against the graphite fields, not so much against white.
 
This is not the first time this idea has been floated, it's been offered twice. If I recall correctly, the first time was in the spring of 2005 during the NPC era, and then later in the year after the Constitutional Convertion. (Ask Poltsaama about it.) The Declaration of Rights fully protects the right to political speech and the right to assemble and organize.
Both times, it was pointed out that nothing in the Constitution prohibits political parties from being organized, but there was a concern that such organizations not appear to be the Government of the day. (The one organizaion that ran candidates agreed to change the nominclature of its positions within its party organization to avoid confusion with formal governmental titles.)

I still see no need for legislation other than to make sure party organizations do not appear to be parallel governmental strucutres.
 
I am not a member of TNP's cabinet system, and I find being an RA member you still express what you want on TNP law. Its not like the cabinet controls what we do, they just do the work if you will of the region.

These parties can elect leaders, make platforms, set goals, and also get more people active within the government and within the region. It would also bring some fun and lively debates on politics and ideology.
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In the party system, the party leader basicly will say what goes, and what doesnt and you join the party that fits you best. Nothing will suit you 100%. If you want to join a party you basicly will compromise at least one of your ideals. Thats why in RL I tend to view myself as an independent even tho I am more to the left. The Dem party does not fit me, so why should I sacrifice my ideals for the party? Also there would be only 2 or 3 main parties that would win the elections. This imo would ruin true TNP democrocy.
 
I echo DPIU's sentiments. Political parties exist in real life mainly because of the presence of so many issues and the impracticality of finding and voting for a candidate that matches your views very closely and of expecting/hoping for him to win. In short, it organizes people under a collective set of sorta-kinda-universal party beliefs and gains strength through (what is essentially) block voting.

It seems to me that the issues plaguing NS today and its politics are simple enough to not warrant the creation of political parties. Plus, I get the impression that many, if not most, of us are political independents in real-life and deign to affiliate ourselves with a particular party. I doubt that we seek the factionalism and blind partisanship in NS that we so ardently strive to avoid in real life.
 
Plus, I get the impression that many, if not most, of us are political independents in real-life and deign to affiliate ourselves with a particular party. I doubt that we seek the factionalism and blind partisanship in NS that we so ardently strive to avoid in real life.
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Yes.


Ben, nobody wants a NPCP.
 
I concur with everything my compatriots have said on this issue. Parties tend to be comprised of like-minded individuals striving for a common political goal. You'd be lucky to find three people here to agree on a coherent political platform. Any platform.

That said, there's nothing to stop you from trying, Ben. Give it a go, see how it turns out but don't get your hopes up.
 
I agree with DPIU's assesment totally.

Poltical parties tend to flub in TNP. They fail mainly because parties tend to crop up just before elections, create incongruous slates for elections, and then disappear after the elections.

Political parties are here, and in RL, a means for the few to concentrate power into the hands of the few by exploiting party members who are presumed to follow the leader (or Judas Goat as the case may be) like sheep. Sometimes they follow, but sometimes they don't.

In our context here, political parties tend to lead to acrimony especially when party members don't do what they are told to do. :P

If someone wants to organize a political party, that's fine with me and they have a right to do so. I think political parties are a bad idea because it leads to polticial struggles as opposed to cooperation.

IMHO, people should put the well-being and stability of the region first. You can have an active and progressive political environment without the accumulation of political power being the main goal of politics. If everyone acts to promote stability and well-being in the region with the intent of promoting and increasing freedom as the primary goal, then political parties serve no purpose other than obtaining and maintaining control for the sake of having power as the real end.
 
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We tried this before. It failed. Now it's the Lexicon.

EDIT: Just saw Byard's post.

Cheers!
 
:toast:

I do want to say, though, that a newcomer who is interested and active in the political workings of the regions is most welcome.
 
Actually, the CPP was quite successful for the one election they existed for!! Winning nearly half the seats in Cabinet!!

Anyway, I've always like the idea of political parties in NS although their implementation is difficult to say the least!! The "issues" we deal with in TNP are cut and dried and it would be rare to have an issue that polarises the region to any great extent!! In order for a party to succeed, it needs another party to compete with and obviously a deep seated difference in their ideologies!!

You also have to contend with being labelled a "traitor" and be accused of trying to destroy the region for daring form a group of like minded individuals with ideas on how the region can be improved!!

I say go for it!! If you want to do it and you think you have the base to support the growth of a party in TNP then by all means give it a try!! Ignore the naysayers, regions do not improve and grow if people with ideas and dreams listened to the old school who are only intent on suring up their own place in the region!!

I might even join unless you are a lefty hippie bastard, in which case I hope your party crashes and burns!! :P Just kidding, sort of...!! :noangel:

Hersfold: Lighten up, it is a joke, not a flame!! Just getting in early!! :w00t:
 
Poltsamaa:
If you want to do it and you think you have the base to support the growth of a party in TNP then by all means give it a try!! Ignore the naysayers, regions do not improve and grow if people with ideas and dreams listened to the old school who are only intent on suring up their own place in the region!!
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I agree completely. I'm apprehensive about the success of a party system, but we won't ever know until some brave soul tries. Go go conviction and the spirit of (political) entrepreneurship! :lol:
 
Interesting....

So what kind of party were you intending to found, General BenjaminA?

If it's a communist one, count me out, but otherwise I'd say you've piqued my interest...
 
Poltsamaa:
Hersfold: Lighten up, it is a joke, not a flame!! Just getting in early!! :w00t:
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:P I'd kind of gotten that, Polts. Don't worry, I'm not out to get you just yet. ;)

Actually, the CPP was quite successful for the one election they existed for!! Winning nearly half the seats in Cabinet!!
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Thus proving the points above. They may work for a little while, but people tend to get bored and give up. Go ahead and start one if you wish, and bets of luck to you - but history doesn't appear to be on your side.
 
I think one of the things Polts touched on is a major reason a party system in TNP isn't likely to succeed anytime soon. For it to work, there would need to be at least one opposing party, otherwise it's just weird, having a one-party system where not everyone actually to that party. It wouldn't hardly achieve the effect of creating a dynamic political atmosphere, but would be more likely to marginalize those party members (NPG, anyone?).

I would be suprised if anyone could manage to get one party up and running for the long-term, and I find it highly unlikely that two (and certainly not any more than that) would develop into anything. The desire to be a part of a political party just isn't there for most of us.
 
It should be noted that no political party can ever survive in TNP. My refrence is the "People's Moderate Movement" during the constutional convention, whose sole purpose was to bring all the waring factions to the same table so that we could agree on the new government. It was seen by the TNPG-ers as a betrayal of their ideals, by the NPC-ers as a covert attempt to re-instigate the NPD rule, and by the unaffialiated as a "flip-flopper".

You mignt be able to convince 2 or 3 people to put down their "pointey-rock" in exchange for you doing the same, but it will never succeed in the masses

AlHoma
Ex People's Moderate Movement member
 
I was thinking the: North Pacific People's Party, it would be a political party instituting both left and right ideals, balancing them to attract people from all ideologies.
 
We had a good one of these once; it was called TNPG (The North Pacific Guardians).

Unfortunatly, as polts (a founding member) stated, you start one and get called a traitor.

Oh and the sitting government plots to have you killed removed from the region illegaly.

While TNPG was in effect, the governmnet took many illegal steps to destroy it, which is best shown in the now legendary transcript taht was discovered detailing just how they planned on doing it. PM me, i'll post it or send you a copy.


My view is go for it. Just expect to find some people to be very against it being formed and existing, as was shown earlier in the thread.
 
As a TNPG member? I think not.

No TNPG members were allowed to vote or run inthat election. I am still waiting for the evidence that i did wrong on that one too
 
You have said the government will prevent political party members from running. The success of the CPP last year shows this to be inaccurate. Your complaints come from a time long ago. We've moved on. It's a shame you cannot.
 
The CPP didn't continue beyond the one election because there was no organised opposition party to compete with!! That and the fact that although the members of the CPP were united with a purpose in the region, the purpose was more or less served after that term!! That is, we overturned the unlawful banning of certain people from our regional processes!!

Now, if General BenjaminA was to set up a party and someone else to set up a party with alternate views then there may be a chance for it to take off!! And despite the bleatings of the "omg we don't want conflict!!!1!!" crowd, political conflict can only be good for the region!! It spices the region up and gives people a focus!!

Anyway, if people are interested in setting something up as far as a political party goes, they have my full support!! I do suggest that if anyone wants to go ahead with a political party that they refine what it represents!! As Monte Ozarka said, there is not point forming a political party seeking to cater to all!! You either dilute anything your party may have stood for and therefore make yourselves irrelevant or you prevent the creation of an opposing party (who can oppose a party who seeks to please everyone?!) and kill off any chance of a party system emerging!!

I've always been one to advocate a political party system but to be hinest have not found an issue or issues to polarise a community enough to have them join a party!! NS is pretty limited in that department, sadly!!

And I don't think Fulhead Land was trollign so much!! His comments did support my assertion that if you form a party seeking to deviate too far from the "norm" then you do run the risk of certain factions in the region deciding you are a "threat to regional security (read: their job security in the region!!) and moving to remove you from the Regional Assembly!! It has happened before!!
 
Civil Progressive Party, a name that made me cringe a bit but it sort of covered what we were aiming for!! To push the region to progress past the infighting and allow everyone in the region a voice in regional affairs should they want it until such time as they were tried and punished under the Constitution!!
 
The Southern Acre:
So have we given up the idea of making parties? That always seemed like a good though to me...
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We already have laws in place to create political parties making this such legislation moot. Don't worry, there's some bureaucracy but it's actually pretty easy to slide right into the TNP.
 
I think it's more that many (probably most) of us have the attitude of "Well, you can make a party, but I won't be joining."
 
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