From The Lexicon

Cathyy:
Let me be clear.

The Lexicon will not tolerate spies.

You asked for evidence, I named names.

I'm not going to play your games until you force me to reveal my sources.

They trust me and I will not breach their trust.

And no, Daimiaena I will not retract my allegations that TNP engaged in espionage against The Lexicon.

Perhaps you might care to comment on the following regional happenings recorded as shown below:

Daimiaena

World Factbook Entry: Faith and Courage

A place of peace for Daimiaen

UN Delegate: None.

Founder: The Free Land of Thingsandstuff

Regional Power: Low

Daimiaena contains 15 nations. [List all nations]

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Today's United Nations Report
The Most Compassionate Citizens in Daimiaena

Exhaustive UN tests involving kittens revealed the following nations to be the most compassionate.
# Nation UN Category Motto
1. FlagThe Republic of Arseinhowmanydosis Inoffensive Centrist Democracy "It's catching"
2. FlagThe Republic of Stupid Ds Inoffensive Centrist Democracy "There can be only one....."
3. FlagThe Rogue Nation of Sleeep Inoffensive Centrist Democracy "Did I dream you dreamt about me"
4. FlagThe Free Land of Thingsandstuff Democratic Socialists "Things and stuff"
5. FlagThe Nomadic Peoples of Bimbling Scandinavian Liberal Paradise "Just off for a bimble, then."
6. FlagThe Queendom of Ms christina aguilera Democratic Socialists "DIRRRRTY!!!!"
7. FlagThe Nomadic Peoples of Dongadongadonga Inoffensive Centrist Democracy "Dongadongadongadonga"
8. FlagThe People's Republic of Smackerooni Father Knows Best State "Smackerooni!!!!!"
9. FlagThe Free Land of Heissenberg Father Knows Best State "We don't know how fast we are or where we are"

Regional Happenings

    * Seconds ago: The Holy Empire of The mighty god thing arrived from Islands of Freedom.
    * 3 minutes ago: The Protectorate of Paintdrying arrived from The Lexicon.
    * 5 minutes ago: The Nomadic Peoples of Muirteach arrived from Stargate.
    * 7 minutes ago: The Republic of Minid arrived from ILLUMINATI.
    * 8 minutes ago: The Incorporated States of Invasiveness arrived from The Tableland.
    * 18 minutes ago: The Principality of Agarve arrived from The DEN Base.
    * 15 hours ago: The People's Republic of Smackerooni arrived from The Rejected Realms.
    * 16 hours ago: The Nomadic Peoples of Dongadongadonga arrived from Gateway to Lone Wolves United.
    * 1 day ago: The Republic of Arseinhowmanydosis arrived from The Rejected Realms.
    * 1 day ago: The People's Republic of Smackerooni departed this region for Polska
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First off....
Naming names is not presenting evidence.....

Secondly...
I do not care about the scource of these claims...It is very easy surely to edit names of your alleged scources out of posts.....

Thirdly...
I am not asking you to retract anything about the actions of TNP....I am asking that you retract your allegation that Daimiaena is involved in espionage in the lexicon....

And finally....
How would you like me to comment on the regional happenings that you posted....are you implying something with the bold type....What are you trying to say...
Is it your contention that those countries you have enboldened are involved in espionage in the Lexicon.....
If that is the case then as you can see Paintdrying and all the other nations you have highlighted are residents of Daimiaena and not TNP....I suggest to you that you should address that region with these claims of espionage and leave the peaceloving TNPers out of it....

Thank you....
Daimiaena....

My apologies to TNP....
This is a matter for the Region Daimiaena to handle and nothing to do with TNP and as such should never have come up on these forums....
 
Quite the contrary when we have evidence that these missions were sanctioned and indeed possibly initiated by Hersfold himself.

Why not answer the question instead of trying to get around it?

Why did all these nations suddenly move to that region?

Why did not one of them consider posting a 'hello' on your RMB?

Could it be because talking to yourself, ie posting with puppets would have felt a bit odd?
 
Cathyy:
Quite the contrary when we have evidence that these missions were sanctioned and indeed possibly initiated by Hersfold himself.

Why not answer the question instead of trying to get around it?

Why did all these nations suddenly move to that region?

Why did not one of them consider posting a 'hello' on your RMB?

Could it be because talking to yourself, ie posting with puppets would have felt a bit odd?
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My apologies again to TNP as these matters are really of no concern of yours...but this is where my accusation has been posted so this isa where I must defend myself...

1)Are you claiming that hersfold has the power to sanction and initiate the actions of nations from regions other than TNP....And even if that was the case which it is not...I again reiterate this has nothing to do with TNP...unless you can post evidence to the contrary take this up with the actual region in which Paintdrying resides....

2)What exactly is the question I'm not answering....If you post a direct question I will give you a direct answer....

3)Isn't it normal for nations that call a region home to return there after they've done whatever it is/was that they were doing....and the move wasn't sudden by Daimiaena standards....

4)People who talk to each other on a day to day basis....or text each other regularly....or communicate by e-mail don't really need to post on RMBs....

I have a feeling that coming from such a big region as you do...you have perhaps forgotten what it is like to live in a small region inhabited by friends like Daimiaena is...
 
I admire your determination to protect your SpyMaster.

Try to deflect this how you will.

The Lexicon maintains its position on this matter.

I see little need to comment further.

I reiterate my invitation for you to register on The Lexicon forum, as an easy means, of adding a certain weight to the case in your favour.
 
Cathyy:
I admire your determination to protect your SpyMaster.

Try to deflect this how you will.

The Lexicon maintains its position on this matter.

I see little need to comment further.

I reiterate my invitation for you to register on The Lexicon forum, as an easy means, of adding a certain weight to the case in your favour.
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Your admiration is misplaced...as the nation Daimiaena is only trying to protect the reputation of TNP by pointing out that paintdrying is a resident of the Region Daimiaena and as such has no connection with TNP....

Would you lambast Fedele on the TNP forums if you found fault wit the actions of Scardino who is resident in LWU.....
Would you throw allegations at Gracius Maximus on TNP forums for the behaviour of Peirconium who is resident of another region...

I think not....

Then why are you involving TNP in this....

I am not attempting to deflect anything...as I have posted....if you ask a direct question you will get a direct answer....
I merely am defending myself in regards to the Lexicons attempts to tar TNP with these slurs...
"If you don't like the answers...Maybe you should stop asking the questions.."

I think the Lexicon needs to look at it's evidence and redraw their conclusions instead of jumping off half-cock at TNP....

And please do feel free not to comment further....

This seems to me yet another attempt by the Lexicon to have a go at TNP...and using any means nescassary(sic) to achieve their goal.....

And I'm fairly sure the onus is on you to prove your case...Not I...

And I have no wish to register on Lexicon forums...I'm quite happy not being involved in your region....Though thank you for the invitation....
 
Cathyy:
I admire your determination to protect your SpyMaster.

Try to deflect this how you will.

The Lexicon maintains its position on this matter.

I see little need to comment further.

I reiterate my invitation for you to register on The Lexicon forum, as an easy means, of adding a certain weight to the case in your favour.
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Madam, you have brought us no proof of any wrong-doing.

As far as I am concerned, TNP has had no part of this caper, and you do not have the evidence to prove otherwise.

You waffle on about protecting your sources and such, but what that actually means is that you have 'evidence' that you cannot show us, which is no evidence at all.

Thank you for this discourse, it was certainly interesting to see how Lexicon diplomacy works.
 
This was not an attempt at Diplomacy.

Far from it.

I am not diplomatic and do not claim to be.

As from this moment The Lexicon has posted noticed to our citizens that we are at war with TNP.

I remain here only as a citizen of TNP.

I do not anticipate any further official statements from The Lexicon.
 
Cathyy:
This was not an attempt at Diplomacy.

Far from it.

I am not diplomatic and do not claim to be.
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No... really? Well you had me completely fooled.

As from this moment The Lexicon has posted noticed to our citizens that we are at war with TNP.

I remain here as a citizen of TNP.

I do not anticipate any further official statements from The Lexicon.
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Do you forsee this to become a conflict of interests?

I do find it wonderfully interesting to watch you, Fulhead and IP throw your toys out of the pram again though. I'm sure this war will be delightful.

Who knows, maybe you'll be the first UCR to remove a fully-powered Feeder Delegate by force.

Oh well, I'd better go man the battlements.
 
Whoa....back up there people...your kidding right...war....because a nation (paintdrying)from a different region(Daimiaena) was found in your region(the Lexicon) your now declaring war on this region(TNP)....how does that work...Or are you too scared to go to war against the region that is more at fault(Daimiaena)....
 
Daimiaena:
Whoa....back up there people...your kidding right...war....because a nation (paintdrying)from a different region(Daimiaena) was found in your region(the Lexicon) your now declaring war on this region(TNP)....how does that work...Or are you too scared to go to war against the region that is more at fault(Daimiaena)....
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I fully expect that the Lexicon are completely convinced of their rightiousness in this matter. I'm sure they have a suitable casus belli with which to provide their member-states and the international community.

I mean, they wouldn't do this for the hell of it, would they?
 
Very Interesting....If you had declared war as a result of Daimiaena acting as dongadongadonga spying in LWU that would be quite good proof....definately good evidence.....But your allegation was about Daimiaena conducting espionage as Paintdrying in the Lexicon...so this evidence has no bearing on your original post....
 
Daimiaena:
Could I ask the minister what action he condemns....
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The Minister typically addresses the primary purpose of a particular thread when posting. If he was addressing a corollary he will state as much.

Regardless, I will clarify. The Minister condemns the actions of The Lexicon in their attempt to unseat the sitting Delegate of The North Pacific.
 
Curier bearing notices from The Lexicon: Present the evidence supporting the accusation.

Accused: Wait for the evidence to be produced.

Rest: Sit back, have a drink, and watch the pretty sunset.
 
Cathyy:
dont pick it up:
I tend to agree with OPA on this one, all i have gathered you saying cathyy is you saing you caught a spy from the tnp, yet you give nothing solid to back up your claim.
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Because quite frankly I don't have to.
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Credibility be damned!

I threatened litigation because a real life claim was made against me, ie that I sexually and otherwise harrassed Pope Hope.
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Who hasn't had that levvied at them at one point or another?
 
Cathyy:
[PM from Fedele]
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I did not see Fedele, or Hersfold for that matter, give their permission for you to share private correspondence. When both of them have given their permission then you can post it. I'm not trying to cover up anything, just enforcing a rule. It is very compelling evidence, if it is legitimate.
 
Democratic Donkeys:
Cathyy:
[PM from Fedele]
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I did not see Fedele, or Hersfold for that matter, give their permission for you to share private correspondence. When both of them have given their permission then you can post it. I'm not trying to cover up anything, just enforcing a rule. It is very compelling evidence, if it is legitimate.
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I repeat......it is very convincing if the declaraqtion of war was on behalf of LWU....but cathyy claims to have the interests of the Lexicon at heart....how is this any proof of Daimiaena conducting espionage as Paintdrying in the Lexicon under the auspices of TNP.....simple answer....it isn't....
This declaration of war based on a paranoid fantasy that anyone would be bothered to spy on a slowly crumbling region is a fallacy....
As far as I can tell since the Lexicons population dropped past 800...(its now on 700 and something) they are more and more desperate to involve themselves in TNP...
:hug: all they have to do is ask...




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My point is this...cathyy has provided no evidence for paintdrying being anything to do with TNP....or being involved in any espionage...therefore the Lexiconian declaration of war is invalid for the reasons they have stated...and they should admit they have ulterior motives...
 
Cathyy has stated that it is up to the Lexiconian High Council to decide whether to release evidence or not. I completely understand the need to protect sources, and don't feel the need to pressure them for evidence because you have already been proven to be incompetent spy from the NPIA, I don't doubt they have the evidence.
 
@DD- haha i was listening to White Rabbit and i just looke aat your title XD wheres alice when you need her? yes i know its off topic but i wanted to mention it and honestly if cathyy sayss its true it most likely is i have yet to see the High Council be wrong about anything
 
Democratic Donkeys:
Cathyy has stated that it is up to the Lexiconian High Council to decide whether to release evidence or not. I completely understand the need to protect sources, and don't feel the need to pressure them for evidence because you have already been proven to be incompetent spy from the NPIA, I don't doubt they have the evidence.
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Yes...it's true..Daimiaena acting as Dongadongadonga has been proven to be an incompetnent operative with the NPIA...but that is no proof whatsoever of any connection between the nation Daimiaena and the nation Paintdrying...the latter of whom has been proven by the Lexicon's own "evidence" to be a part of a different region....and there is no proof that paintdrying has any connection with NPIA or any other part of TNP....As the nation that stands accused of this...and now feeling hideous about a war starting because of it....I do feel the need to pressure the Lexicon High council to provide evidence to substantiate their allegations.....mostly because I know for absolutely certain there is none.....If I am that incompetant then surely there would be masses of evidence....
 
Well…It's good to see that Cathyy/IP are still doing their thing. I had wondered if they had truly gone on the straight and narrow.

Guess not.
 
This is getting more pointless with every post. The Lexicon has stated that they caught a TNP spy, sanctioned by Hersfold. The Lexicon has declared war on us. Now all we do is say "nananana you can't hurt us!" while FEC ejects anyone that gets a little too close to her.

There, situation resolved. May we all shut up and read Penny Arcade now?
 
Democratic Donkeys:
I did not see Fedele, or Hersfold for that matter, give their permission for you to share private correspondence. When both of them have given their permission then you can post it. I'm not trying to cover up anything, just enforcing a rule. It is very compelling evidence, if it is legitimate.
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It's legitimate but I wouldn't consider it very compelling.

The story is as follows (to the best of my memory):
Scardino and the other Generals in LWU noticed a spy. One of the Generals told Scardino it was Dam from TNP. Now, certain dealings with TNP had given LWU some publicity there and had drawn a few aspiring invaders out of the croud such as past guests like Nish and a few others. However, this one was in the NPA so Scardino, using Fedele as a mediator, inquired about the status of Dam. This telegram was even titled, if I remember correctly, "Possible Issue" due to Scardino's opinion that NPA may have a wayward soldier.

Hersfold then replied that it was, in fact, an intelligence excercise and ended with a casual 'No hard feelings'. Scardino did not take offense. He simply decided not to report any other NPA names that showed up on LWU.RaiderHeaven.com. Fedele gave Scardino a screenshot that was then used to inform the rest of the Generals in LWU as was standard practice. Any information held by one General is given to the others.

Insane Power of The Lexicon then sent Scardino a telegram asking him if Lone Wolves United had recently caught a spy from TNP, Scardino replied with the screen shot coupled with a nonchalant emoticon calmly drinking coffee and looking at papers. I would produce a direct quote or screen shot but Scardino and I were both banned from The Lexicon's forum. Insane Power somehow used this to come to the conclusion that someone from TNP was also practicing on The Lexicon and he apparently took it a bit more seriously than Scardino or Hersfold had.
 
Just out of curiosity, why have you been banned from the Lexicon forums?

I am still a bit confused as to why I was banned there, as well as Cruithne being prevented from registering there.
 
Oops Flem you changed your story. Last time you asked this you asked why Cruithne had been banned from The Lexicon forum ;)

As I said I believe at the time there is no user name Cruithne on The Lexicon forum therefore your prior claim that Cruithne rather than you had wanted to read our forum seems a little inaccurate.
 
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