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Well ladies and gentlemen, it appears we're going to have some fun. There are 3 endotarts in TNP. The SC members *should* know about this, assuming they read their PMs. Here's the top 10 list in TNP, ranked by endos. The 3 I'm worried about are at #4, 5, and 10. Mainly, look at how many people they've endoed. #4 entered the region only about... 4 days ago. Joyjoyland started really endotarting about that time too. Dipsomaniatron has taken a more leisurely path, but still endotarting a lot.

I sent all 3 of them a TG last night informing them of how to become a delegate and the problems if they surpassed Unterwasserseestaat. I would hope something soon gets done about #4, or I *will* be kicking them without authorization from whatever source (believe it's the SC) if they reach #2.


First number is endos, 2nd is number of people endorsed.
1Former English Colony392779
2Unterwasserseestaat221721
3Kitabo169417
4Bottled Fairy Dust154777
5Dipsomaniatron144503
6The Tresville Element129246
7Frejmark113234
8Groovistan107265
9Black Shear107216
10Joyjoyland96756
 
Is that /the/ Blackshear, btw?



I'd advocate a pre-emptive banjecting. 48 hours and the problem solves itself. If they come back and start again, then we know to leave them on for longer.
 
The Drunken Jockocracy of Dipsomaniatron
Received: 26 minutes agoHowdy

In response to your question, no I am not planning on running for delegate, and I honestly don't see myself surpassing the vice-delegate in endorsements. I am quite comfortable where I am.
Nice talking to you, and keep up the good work.

Dipsomaniatron
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Give the endotarters 24hrs notice to decrease their endos by 30 or suffer a 48 hour ban/ejection

Get the security council rolling on this.
 
Obviously the duty of the Security Council is paramount to not only the Constitution but to the system of checks and balances we've formed our government on. But this isn't the first time, we've had an endo-tart creeping up and posing a threat but in those times we were more than open about the process in which we made our judgement.

(Pretty sure was open but not a guarantee):http://z13.invisionfree.invalid/TNP/index.php?showtopic=632&st=0&#last
Def open:
http://z13.invisionfree.invalid/TNP/index.php?...1126&st=0&#last
http://z13.invisionfree.invalid/TNP/index.php?showtopic=634&st=0
http://z13.invisionfree.invalid/TNP/index.php?...topic=268&st=60

Personally and outside of my office, I think it's critical that the SC examine the situation from every viewpoint. They don't have to accept it or even consider it, just recognize that a fraction of the population had so and so reservations. How the government acts in the worst of situations is the ultimate test of how our government lives up to its ideals, if the situation was dealt with properly and openly then we lose nothing but the image of an authoritarian Cabinet lording over the public and gain nothing but the trust that we will live up to our ideals and reasoned values even in the face of irrational aggression.
 
mr_sniffles:
Personally and outside of my office, I think it's critical that the SC examine the situation from every viewpoint. They don't have to accept it or even consider it, just recognize that a fraction of the population had so and so reservations. How the government acts in the worst of situations is the ultimate test of how our government lives up to its ideals, if the situation was dealt with properly and openly then we lose nothing but the image of an authoritarian Cabinet lording over the public and gain nothing but the trust that we will live up to our ideals and reasoned values even in the face of irrational aggression.
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My friend, the Security council has one concern and one concern only: the security of the region.

The fact is that if the situation is considered serious enough to convene the council -- remember that usually, Eras will handle such matters as endotarts herself -- then the time for niceties are over. The PM and the Delegate are the ones that should consider the mood of the region before calling upon the SC.

The SC's job is very simple: assess the threat to the delegate/region and advise the cabinet on their findings. Asking them to do anything else would simply add another level of bureaucracy to our already slow system.
 
Brief update. All 3 of the nations have logged in now after my telegram, so far Dipsomaniatron is the only one that's sent a reply. Current Endocount:
Bottled Fairy Dust 188
Joyjoyland 103
Dipsomaniatron 145
 
Former English Colony:
Brief update.  All 3 of the nations have logged in now after my telegram, so far Dipsomaniatron is the only one that's sent a reply.  Current Endocount:
Bottled Fairy Dust  188
Joyjoyland  103
Dipsomaniatron  145
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If JoyJoyland or Bottled Fairy Dust go up a bit more and then hover around at that number, you have someone attempting an invasion that is, in theory, impossible to stop. I hate to begin suspecting things so soon but you really must bring out the suspicions quickly. Bottled Fairy Dust reminds me of Pixiedance and JoyJoyland seems to go along the same theme of generally silly names. I am not saying this is Cathyy or IP personally, I am saying that this may be Lexiconians. I haven't seen them carry out any major invasions recently. Perhaps the leadership is more concerned with a larger hit.

If this is the case, however, they should have been patient enough to wait until election season for this tactic to be even more effective. Electing delegates can be a bit of a double edged sword but I seriously doubt anyone in The Lexicon could have taken into consideration how the upcoming elections may hurt them.
 
Digitalis:
Hersfold, do I have permission to start a formal SC discussion?
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I wasn't aware I had to give permission. By all means, yes.

Joy's probably low enough at the moment to be safely left alone for a little while, although if she(?) does get too many more, I think it would merit a ban. If Dip has responded, I think we're ok just keeping a watch on them for now to make sure it doesn't continue to increase. Fairy Dust is another matter, and I would certaintly support a ban very soon. I believe you are allowed to ban without authorization if the situation appears to be an emergency (i.e., surpassing the VD).
 
I say we ban all three of them for one update if they do not respond and say they'll stop endotarting. You don't want them to get so high that their influence increases too much. Defense of our region is our #1 concern. There is no reason they need 100+ endorsments.
 
Digitalis:
Fedele:
If JoyJoyland or Bottled Fairy Dust go up a bit more and then hover around at that number, you have someone attempting an invasion that is, in theory, impossible to stop.
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Can you expand upon this a little bit?
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No. I think the tactic will eventually become common but I'd like to keep that from happening for as long as possible. I do, however, have reason to believe that The Lexicon knows the tactic and has a more liberal policy regarding its use.

I would have to agree with Ator. The sooner, the better.

Actually, if they are using this tactic, the best thing to do would be to launch an unendorsement campaign against them. Several people, preferably UN nations, need to send all the people endorsing them telegrams asking them to, for the security of TNP, unendorse Pixiedance Bottled Up Fairy Dust (or whatever it is).
 
Fedele, this could very well prove to be a critical matter of regional security. We may require you to divulge the details of this tactic in the near future. Whether it will become common soon or not is irrelevant - as a Cabinet Minister, you are partially responsible for the safety of the region. Please keep that in mind.
 
I will, but, until then, I'll just tell you the best way to beat it. Unendorsement campaigns are the best way right now.
 
It's not me who's going to be in danger, it's the person that becomes delegate. They most likely won't have a huge number of endos and history. We're back to extending the delegate's terms and endocaps again. >_>
 
Strategically speaking, I'd consider banjecting them earlier than later. If any of the tarters are here for nefarious reasons, ejecting them later can result in a propaganda point on their side. Nailing them now would give time for any such brew-ha-ha to subside before an election.

But keep an eye on them and if they keep tarting or their numbers rise suddenly, make them walk the plank.

R
 
Former English Colony:
It's not me who's going to be in danger, it's the person that becomes delegate. They most likely won't have a huge number of endos and history. We're back to extending the delegate's terms and endocaps again. >_>
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Actually, a change in the delegacy could be a strategic advantage for us if this heats up. Until then, put an undendorsement campaign against them. It would be the best thing to do from now on any time this happens.
 
Fedele:
Former English Colony:
It's not me who's going to be in danger, it's the person that becomes delegate.  They most likely won't have a huge number of endos and history.  We're back to extending the delegate's terms and endocaps again. >_>
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Actually, a change in the delegacy could be a strategic advantage for us if this heats up. Until then, put an undendorsement campaign against them. It would be the best thing to do from now on any time this happens.
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I don't really like the idea of an unendorsement campaign against people. If they break the rules, then there are consequences, but until then, give them a warning and let it go at that.

Oh, and 199 endos now.
 
I think it is vital to eject any nation surpassing 150 endos, especially if we don't know them. If they gain enough influence, we'll have wished we ejected them earlier.
 
I don't really like the idea of an unendorsement campaign against people.
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I'll try to think of a way to keep our region from being tossed upon the shoulders of Cathyy that you like.
 
Fedele:
I don't really like the idea of an unendorsement campaign against people.
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I'll try to think of a way to keep our region from being tossed upon the shoulders of Cathyy that you like.
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No, I won't think like that. Not when it involves going against someone who might be innocent.

If you want to safeguard the region, put in other security measures that are clear and firm.

(edit) I actually think, upon reading that again, that I have no clue what Fedele was trying to say. So let the reader try to figure out how I interpretated it. :fish:
 
Brief update. They haven't continued their endotarting, so the number tarted is going down bit by bit.

Current endo level for BFD is 203. I sent them another telegram asking them to please not go over the 220 limit or I would kick them. Still no response from BFD or Joyjoyland to the telegrams I sent earlier.
 
Ban them at once. At the rate they are going, they will exceed the Vice Delegate either today or tommorrow. As far as I can tell, the SC isn't doing a darn thing about this.
 
Fedele:
Former English Colony:
Brief update.  All 3 of the nations have logged in now after my telegram, so far Dipsomaniatron is the only one that's sent a reply.  Current Endocount:
Bottled Fairy Dust  188
Joyjoyland  103
Dipsomaniatron  145
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If JoyJoyland or Bottled Fairy Dust go up a bit more and then hover around at that number, you have someone attempting an invasion that is, in theory, impossible to stop. ...
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For Fedele and anyone else who has an opinion: since the VDel is basically our human endocap, what would be an appropriate spread between the Del and VDel, given the possibility of Puppetmaster and Other Nefarious Ways of invading? I've been trying to keep my levels fairly high (albeit without fantastic amounts of success), but never really had a number in mind.
 
Ideally, you should be no more than 100 endorsements short of the delegate. Now, I know that since Eras endoswaps like a machine that may be a little difficult impossible but that is why I said "ideally". If this tactic I have worrying me came into practice by The Lexicon, the delegate and the vice delegate may have to trade positions in the interest of regional security.

Also, next time you see someone endorse damned near everyone in TNP I think it would be a good idea for them to recieve something in the mail before they start getting a return on their investment. I may be a bit paranoid but I don't think someone should be raking in endorsements before we ever contact them.
 
With the new rules regarding influence I can't see our current policy as being too safe. If Lex wanted the delegacy all they would need is a little patience and 5 willing members. In case any of you haven't noticed, they have more than 5 willing members.

I do know for a fact that they are aware of the tactic and I do know for a fact that they have considered invading TNP and want to install a new 'pure' government but I do not know for a fact that this is them. I seriously doubt they understand its full potential. They know about the tactic but, after all, they are not invaders. If this were LWU carrying out the attack the region could already have been thrown into chaos with a very panicked delegate. Fortunately, for some odd reason, they show little interest in doing such a thing.
 
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