Anti-Racism Coalition

Joe Bobs

Joe Bobs

TNPer
I hope this is the right forum to post this in. If admin wish to move it, far enough. :)

I am proposing an inter-regional Coalition whose aim is to eradicate, or at least discourage, racism, in all its forms, from NationStates. This shall be called the Anti-Racism Coalition.

The Coalition will not target fascists or any other political ideology, unless that ideology includes racism. So racist communists or racist socialists will be targeted just as much as racist fascists.

Whilst I hope this will receive regional backing, I will appreciate national support too.

I roughly define racism as the inductive reasoning that assigns pre-concluded notions to an individual because of their membership of a race, religion or ethnicity.

Recently in the GRA, a racist player joined, and his views caused a huge argument that divided the region. Many wished to silence his racism, and many defended freedom of speech. I know many may feel that freedom of speech allows racism and many feel that this right should be protected. If so, don't join. I'm not trying to re-ignite the freedom vs. racism debate, I just want to make the voices of those that oppose racism heard, internationally.

So if you support this, please add your name below. Also, I'd be extremely grateful if others wish to help in organisation and have ideas for how this should be run etc.

The Coalition could do the following:

Ask regions to note their support in the world factbook entry.
Ask regions to bar openly racist players from their region or forum.
Find and challenge the views of racist players, with an aim to educate as well as discourage.
Act as a petition against racism, to show international support.

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GRA
Q102
Europa
Canada
Hyrule
Belgium
Nasicournia
Great Britain & Ireland
Scroll Islands
Lazarus
Allied States of EuroIslanders
Peaciean CSA Conference
The Proletariat Coalition
The North Pacific

So far, signed by:

1. Pidgeon Island (GRA)
2. Love & Honour (GRA) Delegate
3. Il Divo (GRA)
4. Calculators (GRA)
5. Golgoroth (GRA)
6. Kozh Heol (GRA)
7. Lamedud (Q102)
8. FluffyPinkBunnyGirl (Q102)
9. Pacifist Cowards (Q102)
10. Suverina (Europa)
11. Limitless Events (Scroll Islands)
12. Chesha (Scroll Islands) Delegate
13. Nonbrazillianfootball (Great Britain & Ireland)
14. North East Somerset (Great Britain & Ireland)
15. Slades 29 (Europa)
16. Kant (Europa)
17. Haken (Belgium)
18. Children Of the Taco (Scroll Islands)
19. EuroSoviets (ASE)
20. Posul (Great Britain & Ireland)
21. Tagmatium (Europa)
22. Fighter4u (GRA)
23. Aaronyne (Q102) Delegate
24. Plaerah Blerrt (GRA)
25. Miiros (Europa)
26. Nan Gorgwaith (Europa)
27. Ide Jima (Europa)
28. Pirilao (Europa)
29. Tamurin (Europa)
30. Connaught-Kerry (Canada)
31. Hamme (Belgium)
32. Bamada (ASE)
33. The Red Factions (ASE)
34. St Oz (ASE)
35. Biotherm (ASE)
36. Ellandar (Scroll Islands)
37. Viviv (Scroll Islands)
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38. Xha’dam (ASE)
39. Dalimbar (ASE)
40. Unknown Peoples (ASE)
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I think it's horrible that some people feel the need to force others into their line of thinking.
 
Fedele, ARC looks to engage racists in debate and argue their beliefs not censor them. The nearest thing ARC does that could be considered censorship is to ask regions to note ARC membership in their world factbook entry (note "ask," it's not mandatory). this would put off racists from joining the forum, I suppose.

The main aim of ARC is to show that their is a distinct anti-racist presence in NS and that we are taking an active stance against racism. We will not simply sit back anymore and not attack racist beliefs because we fear freedom of speech. We want our voices heard.

Whilst, obviously, I cannot expect regional backing here, if anyone is interested in adding their individual support please say so below.
 
My humor is way too dry. I was joking. Censor the bastards all you want. If you ever find a founderless racist region you want removed, just tell me.
 
In other news the Anti-Marajuana Patrol (AMP) has been founded.

Seroiously...

If people have racist attitudes, a group of other people won't convince them to change.
 
AlHoma:
If people have racist attitudes, a group of other people won't convince them to change.
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If people are going to want to burn a cross on my front lawn, write spic/nip/chink on my forehead; does that mean I'm going to do nothing to stop them?
 
And so the great racism topic was re-ignited...Censorship v freedom of speech...locals v outsiders....them v us.....stupid pig-ignorant moronic thick-headed numb-skulled juvenile idiots v those with a semblance of a brain...

Oh yeah, count me in for a bit of racist baiting, I love a bit of that..
 
Racist comments are not allowed on this board, as they violate Invisionfree's Terms of Service. Truly racist comments are likewise not permitted on NationStates, and I am sure that people would report those who post them. We have an active presence on our RMB despite the recruiters, so I'm fairly certain such offenseive comments would not go unnoticed.

I'm not about to sign your doohickey, however, because a single offense is not enough to ban someone from this forum. However, any racism here will not be tolerated.
 
mr_sniffles:
AlHoma:
If people have racist attitudes, a group of other people won't convince them to change.
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If people are going to want to burn a cross on my front lawn, write spic/nip/chink on my forehead; does that mean I'm going to do nothing to stop them?
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Person versus person, of course you're going to do something if they are violent against you. But in terms of a group of do-gooders going around trying to convince racists that their point of view is wrong is about as likeley as a bunch of latin speakers trying to convince americans that because english is a derivative of latin we should speak it so our meanings are more clear.

It's the difference between the action and the thought, unless you are a proponent of thoughtcrime.

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I hadn't noticed racism was a problem in NS and if were to become a problem then NS rules and IF TOS cover it, as Hersfold has said!! Therefore, the whole concept is pointless!!
 
Poltsamaa:
I hadn't noticed racism was a problem in NS and if were to become a problem then NS rules and IF TOS cover it, as Hersfold has said!! Therefore, the whole concept is pointless!!
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And you thought all those regions supporting the Nazis were what? Just a light romp at the Holocaust?
 
This makesa no sense :huh: . The people who are racist and go into regular regions deserve a swift ejecting...but what's the point of an international organization? The real racists like Nazis who form as one and actually try to push their views deserve focus...but troublemakers should not be given the respect of an ARC. It would frankly make them even more likely to act out.
 
mr_sniffles:
And you thought all those regions supporting the Nazis were what? Just a light romp at the Holocaust?
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Which regions are those?!

I consider most "Nazis" in NS to be pimply 15 year olds with no idea what they are talking about and who roleplay as they do because they like the attention!! Attention a coalition like this will give them!!

Anyway, sidestepping the strawman, NS rules do not allow swastikas or "racist" regions and anything deemed racist is also forbidden under IF TOS!! So, any coalition formed to counter them is unnecessary as simply reporting the nation/account that breaches the rules or TOS is all that is needed!!

Then again, some people do seem to prefer making themselves visible as crusaders for "the greater good" and, if that is what you want to do, then go ahead!! Personally, I think it is a waste of time and, in the end, counterproductive!!
 
If racism is already banned across NS, then how do groups such as the Aryan Army continue?

The problem of giving attention seeking racists the attention they desire is something that had not occurred to me. Perhaps the humiliation in seeing their feeble arguments destroyed by far more intelligent people would be humiliating enough to act as a deterrant?

As for attacking the larger racist organisations, that is exactly what I'd like to do. However, ARC needs a lot of support to do that. Hence that is my main aim at the moment: to publicise ARC, spread it around as many forums as possible, and recruit as many members as I can.

Person versus person, of course you're going to do something if they are violent against you. But in terms of a group of do-gooders going around trying to convince racists that their point of view is wrong is about as likeley as a bunch of latin speakers trying to convince americans that because english is a derivative of latin we should speak it so our meanings are more clear.

It's the difference between the action and the thought, unless you are a proponent of thoughtcrime.

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Are you saying that no group has ever affected the mentality of another group? That's what you suggest. So Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights movement didn't change the views of millions of Americans? And presumably this means that a bunch of unruly Communists never managed to sway the Russian masses against the Tsars? Ok then... Sorry but that argument is just rubbish. If you held that view, then no one could ever try and change the view of anyone else. What would advertisers do?

Also, English is not derived from Latin. It is derived from Latin, Greek, Anglo-Saxon, French, Norse and hundreads more.

Also, you talk of the difference between actiona nd speech, not action and thought. Speech and thought are two very different things.
 
And presumably this means that a bunch of unruly Communists never managed to sway the Russian masses against the Tsars?
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Hopefully you don't consider Martin Luther King Jr's work akin to Lenin and Trotsky...
So Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights movement didn't change the views of millions of Americans?
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The problem of giving attention seeking racists the attention they desire is something that had not occurred to me. Perhaps the humiliation in seeing their feeble arguments destroyed by far more intelligent people would be humiliating enough to act as a deterrant?
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That's false on both accounts. These people live in societies where their views are bashed constantly (including on NS a lot!) by people that by definition are more intelligent. It doesn't matter if it is done officially...it could even make it worse. They are crazy; they know most don't agree with them. The civil rights movement advanced a view not held or known about by the majority of people; it convinced by teaching to the clueless not teaching to those who refuse not to be cluseless.

ALso, by embarassing them that will serve even less in trying to change their ways. If I want to change a communist, I am not going to beat him up then ask him to sign up for the Republican party. This way of logic is not for 'anti-racists' to do much less any sane organization. This organization doesn't make sense. Instead, why not use the organizations out there to combat the racist ones militarily and continue (without need for official sanction) to challenge their views when it comes up (which if you see a jolt post or racist forum, happens immediately, swiftly, and in large number.)

This organization sounds nice, but I don't think it is worth the currency of the Nazi or Soviet regimes.
 
1) I was just using those two as examples of a few people changing the views of millions.

2) The problem with being solely military is that lots of people don't want that. ARC is supposed to be run by its members, and taken in the direction that its members will it. If the members want it to have a military wing, that invades racist regions (or at least liberates regions captured by racist invaders, e.g. Aryan Army) then so be it.

See, the majority of people have said to me that they are mainly iterested in seeing ARC educating and debating, not crushing racists. However, if ARC continues to grow, it could well have different sections that use different methods.

Update

ARC is now backed by 60+ nations and 8 regions.

ARC's forum is undergoing construction.

ARC proudly supports the CyberNations Anti-Fascist Alliance.
 
ARC is now backed by 60+ nations and 8 regions.
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I wish you luck, Joe Bobs, but you are in an organization that is off.
See, the majority of people have said to me that they are mainly iterested in seeing ARC educating and debating, not crushing racists. However, if ARC continues to grow, it could well have different sections that use different methods.
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Are you serious? How can you debate with those who don't take facts seriously? Also, educating? Who is allowed to be educated on NS w/o their wanting?

Also, this looks very eerky. It might shift to all 'bigoted' views when the racists bore them (which they will b/c there are not many of them). Then it will be this than that, then I will be deemed an ARC enemy as with many.

This organization serves the world nothing. What more resolutions in the UN against racism? Is that really serve any beneficial purpose?

NS is on the downfall. So many quality and active members doing such pointless work is a waste of energy and excellence.
 
Sarcodina, I'm sure you'll be very happy to know that the idea of an ARC liberation/invader army is gathering steam and may be a reality soon. However, I'd rather wait and see what the members say before deciding anything for certain.

With the help of my co-admins, The Planet Federation (FCSTO) and Mariadon (Lazarus), ARC forums are now up and running.

http://z7.invisionfree.invalid/AntoRacismCoalition/

Join today! If eveyone that's signed up to ARC can sign up there, it'd be a brilliant community.

Thankyou!
 
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