Formal Discussion (Constitutional clarifications)

wizardofoz01

wizardofoz01

TNPer
A Proposal for a Constitutional Amendment

Whereas, recent amendments have been enacted to the Constitution of The North Pacific concerning Embassy Documents and concerning the merger of registered voters into the membership of the Regional Assembly that inadvertently contain inconsistent language to the same provision of the Constitution, and
Whereas, there are minor technical corrections required as a result of the amendment to the Constitution of The North Pacific concerning the merger of registered voters into the membership of the Regional Assembly,

BE IT ENACTED BY THE NATIONS OF THE NORTH PACIFIC:

Section 1. The title of Article II of the Constitution is hereby amended to read: "Membership and Registered Voting Registration."

Section 2. The title of Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution is hereby amended to read: "Registered Voting Registration."

Section 3. Article II Section 4 Clause B of the Constitution (as amended by the amendment that merges registered voters into the regional assembly) is amended to read:

B - Political, diplomatic, or military relationships shall only be established by agreement or treaty. Either the Minister of External Affairs or the Prime Minister has the power to submit a proposal to accede to or withdraw from any agreement or treaty relationship with another region, or multi-regional organization, create, change or remove basic military or diplomatic treaties, as defined by law. The creation, change or removal of a Mutual Defence Treaty, or any other Military treaty short of an Alliance or Entente must have the support of a majority vote by the cabinet. Proposals for the creation, change or removal of any documents dealing with alliances or ententes (as in a coalition) or other types of interregional agreements, conventions, or treaties that affect regional law must be submitted to the Speaker for approval of such proposed action by a majority of the Regional Assembly in a referendum with a quorum participating. The voting period for the referendum shall be for five consecutive days. Should the action be approved, action to implement the proposal shall be taken by the Prime Minister, the Minister of External Affairs, or the Cabinet of the Regional Government, as appropriate in the circumstances.
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Section 4. This amendment shall take effect upon ratification.
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For those who haven't followed the informal discussion, this proposal is a mostly technical proposal to amend the Constitution. Sections 1 and 2 are corrections to the title of Article II, and to Section 2 of Article II to reflect the previously-adopted merger of the class of registered voters into the regional assembly.
Section 3 reconciles two recently approved constitutional amendments to the same paragraph of Article II Section 4 Clause B. the language includes clarifications to certain of the changes introduced by the Embassy Documents legislation. The "defined by law" language added to Clause B would requires the adoption of a law to make clear what
types of documents are and are not to be considered "basis military documents." "Basic military and diplomatic documents as defined by that law, once adopted, will only require approval by a majority of the Cabinet and will not require a vote of the regional assembly. Documents not included by that law as "basic" would continued to be voted on by the regional assembly. The second addition of language makes clear that any interregional treaty, convention, or agreement that may affect regional law will also require approval by the regional assembly.
 
It's a good clarification - if HC's statement was a move to vote, I'll second it.
 
Well know, this looks familiar ;)

Just a minor quibble in the spelling:

create, change or remove basic military or diplomatic treaties as defined by law. The creation, change or removal of a Mutual Defence Treaty, or any other Military treaty short of an Alliance or Entente must have the support of a majority vote by the cabinet. Proposals for the creation, change or removal of any documents dealing with alliances or ententes (as in a coalitions) or other types of interregional agreements, conventions, or treaties that affect regional law must be submitted
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Emphasis mine.

The bolded section should read "as in a Coalition" or, if you wanted to be fancy "viz. Coalitions"

Otherwise, I'm for this and I really can't believe that this section is still being debated :P
 
At this point, I can't remember if that typo is my mistake, or if it was in the original Embassy Documents proposal.
It's not a big deal to fix so I will edit the formal version at the head of this post using my GM powers, as Wizard apparently hasn't been around for the last few days.
 
I don't know, I don't see much of a change other than stating the already assumed needed support of the region...but what the hell, I'll go with it just the same.
 
Can't be bothered to read..

I'm sure it makes sense within sub-clause 3 of paragraph II of point 4.3b...

I approve...maybe...

Pity the poor newbies but hey why worry about them :)
 
wizardofoz01:
The creation, change or removal of a Mutual Defence Treaty, or any other Military treaty short of an Alliance or Entente must have the support of a majority vote by the cabinet.
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of the cabinet please.

or "musst be supported by a majority vote of the cabinet.


son-of-an-English Teadcher-Syndrome.
 
Now, now, don't be cruel... :fish:

So is this ready to go for a vote, or is their a set time its got to be discussed here for?

Either way, I'm happy with it, and eagerly await the chance to argue some more about it, or vote on it. :D
 
@Freedom and Pride: That sentence comes from the originally adopted Embassy Documents legislation as it was then written. Even though it's arkwardly expressed, I understand it to mean that a majority of the Cabinet must support approval of the document in a formal vote.
If others want that correction made, I have no objection personally to doing so.
 
Let's ask this question.

Does anyone object to the intent of what F&P is suggesting; that is to change "by the Cabinet" to "of the Cabinet in this sentence:

The creation, change or removal of a Mutual Defence Treaty, or any other Military treaty short of an Alliance or Entente must have the support of a majority vote by of the cabinet.
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If there isn't an objection, then I will edit the formal text to reflect this.
 
I'm actually going to stick my English preferences in here for a minute :lol:

I believe the best wording would be "support of a majority of the Cabinet".. A majority vote can't support anything -- it is the people who are supporting it; the vote is the instrument they use.
 
I'm going to have to agree with wizardofoz01 on this... It makes more sense, in my oppinion to have it the current way. But then again the sentence is a conundrum of ideas (Subject/Verb/etc.)
 
Y'all do realize someone else wrote that sentence originally.

Is there any objection to Wizard's version of the phrasing? Speak up soon; otherwise I'll edit it in and at that point, as far as I'll be concerned, it'll be ready for a vote.
 
A Proposal for a Constitutional Amendment

Whereas, recent amendments have been enacted to the Constitution of The North Pacific concerning Embassy Documents and concerning the merger of registered voters into the membership of the Regional Assembly that inadvertently contain inconsistent language to the same provision of the Constitution, and
Whereas, there are minor technical corrections required as a result of the amendment to the Constitution of The North Pacific concerning the merger of registered voters into the membership of the Regional Assembly,

BE IT ENACTED BY THE NATIONS OF THE NORTH PACIFIC:

Section 1. The title of Article II of the Constitution is hereby amended to read: "Membership and Registered Voting Registration."

Section 2. The title of Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution is hereby amended to read: "Registered Voting Registration."

Section 3. Article II Section 4 Clause B of the Constitution (as amended by the amendment that merges registered voters into the regional assembly) is amended to read:

B - Political, diplomatic, or military relationships shall only be established by agreement or treaty. Either the Minister of External Affairs or the Prime Minister has the power to submit a proposal to accede to or withdraw from any agreement or treaty relationship with another region, or multi-regional organization, create, change or remove basic military or diplomatic treaties, as defined by law. The creation, change or removal of a Mutual Defence Treaty, or any other Military treaty short of an Alliance or Entente must have the support of a majority of the Cabinet. Proposals for the creation, change or removal of any documents dealing with alliances or ententes (as in a coalition) or other types of interregional agreements, conventions, or treaties that affect regional law must be submitted to the Speaker for approval of such proposed action by a majority of the Regional Assembly in a referendum with a quorum participating. The voting period for the referendum shall be for five consecutive days. Should the action be approved, action to implement the proposal shall be taken by the Prime Minister, the Minister of External Affairs, or the Cabinet of the Regional Government, as appropriate in the circumstances.
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Section 4. This amendment shall take effect upon ratification.
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This is the final version of this proposal, and includes the change describing the support of a majority of the Cabinet.
 
In accordance with the new rules, this will be voted on first by the RA, then by the Cabinet.

I'm in the lab at the moment but I will post this for a vote sometime this evening.
 
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