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Fedele

Fedele

TNPer
I was politely invited by Eurosoviets to discuss politics on the Allied States of EuroIslanders (RLA Member) forum (whose members were not so polite and accepting, I later found out).

I, beside a fascist that was on there debating them, debated with them insisting that Fascism is not the same as Nazism in response to them criticising him for supporting genocide. Right about the time they called me a Nazi, I invited him to take a look at LWU and see if it looked good to him. I had taken a liking to his personality and saw much potential in him as a raider.

He joined our region and made it up to (at least) the rank of Staff Sergeant and had moderator powers until my suspicions of his legitimacy began to form and I gave him fewer and fewer assignments and raids. Shortly after, he admitted on our forums that he was a Nazi spy and that our meeting on the ASE forums had been a set-up. He also said that he had been feeding information to defenders.
 
Fedele:
I, beside a fascist that was on there debating them
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I think that's who he's referring to, not ES.

I think he's trying to say that they positioned a Nazi spy on the ASE forums to meet Fedele and set LWU up. I'm not entirely sure, though.
 
Poltsamaa:
Setting up another forum attack, perhaps?!
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That was my first thought. You might have gotten off lucky.

I see that this recent incident has more far-reaching consequences, ie a loss of trust. Normally, if a spy infiltrates your ranks, you could expect a few mysteriously "failed" missions (say, an invasion in a region where defenders have already gathered, or vice versa). When it gets to the point where you have to fear somebody will kill your forum, you get a lot more paranoid... :huh:
 
Pope Hope:
Fedele:
I, beside a fascist that was on there debating them
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I think that's who he's referring to, not ES.

I think he's trying to say that they positioned a Nazi spy on the ASE forums to meet Fedele and set LWU up. I'm not entirely sure, though.
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Thanks, PH.

Sorry, Fedele. I can't make head nor tail of what you are trying to tell us.
 
It's ok. And, no, I have never been one of the more paranoid types. I trusted him because of how I recruited him but I usually have dead-on accuracy with spies. I accused Hellfire of being a spy on day 1. I didn't have the experience at the time to filter out his lies, though.

Enough about that!

I think he's trying to say that they positioned a Nazi spy on the ASE forums to meet Fedele and set LWU up. I'm not entirely sure, though.
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1. Nazi spy was on ASE forum.
2. Euro invites me to come onto the forum.
3. Nazi spy admits to having assisted defenders.

That is what he said. I came to my own conclusions: ASE had the nazi come onto their forums and toss debates around for a day or two until ES invited me to arrange the meeting. No that I remember, the spy was the one that contacted me first through private messages to talk to me. In that one day we covered topics ranging from "I'm a fascist, not a nazi" to "This is my girlfriend. Isn't she cute?" I got to know him pretty quick at that rate and found him to be a decent fellow. He then goes on to spy on us and send the info on to ASE and whoever else has a name that is an acronym.

(All of this can be easily seen on the LWU forums)
 
No one sent me info from LWU. I'd rather chill with wolves over Nazis any day anyway, even if I was painted in blood at the time.
 
Hmmm....

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Lemme think for a sec.... <.<

Yea, I guess ADN isn't as bad as some of the more offensive Nazis... ^_^

On the other hand, Nazis don't grief regions... RLA destroys communities and hacks...

At least Nazis don't give Nazism an undeserved bad reputation...
 
Ermarian:
Fedele:
whoever else has a name that is an acronym.
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ADN, RLA, TNP, CIA, NSA... ^_^
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They're actually abbreviations, and more specifically initialisms.


On the other hand, Nazis don't grief regions... RLA destroys communities and hacks...
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I speak Nazi. In Ye Days of Olde there were quite a few neo-nazi groups in this game. They achieved a special notoriety for griefing. In the winter of 02/03 there was even a period of history called the Nazi Wars, which I fought in. Damn good war.

In the winter of 03/04 there was a very large and famous group called The URAP (or Urap) which was rumored to take their hate into RL. I'm not sure whatever became of them, although I assume they got sick of being deleted all the time and left.

Whatever flack you give the RLA they actually have a very successful track record on dealing with neo-nazis. They typically attempt to insert spies into moderate positions of control within the apparatus and the RLA Armed Forces bore them to death, so that they get tired of the game before they can cause any real harm.

I, beside a fascist that was on there debating them, debated with them insisting that Fascism is not the same as Nazism in response to them criticising him for supporting genocide.
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I have attempted to discuss the merits of fascism and its differences with national socialism with them but to not much luck. For a group that sees a million shades of red, who believe that all practiced examples of communism are not Marx's "scientific socialism" at all, they see everything else as more or less the same. They see things in very dialectic, class-conscious terms. In doing so they always ignore cultural/socialogical terms which is necessary to understand fascism.
 
I have attempted to discuss the merits of fascism and its differences with national socialism with them but to not much luck. For a group that sees a million shades of red, who believe that all practiced examples of communism are not Marx's "scientific socialism" at all, they see everything else as more or less the same. They see things in very dialectic, class-conscious terms. In doing so they always ignore cultural/socialogical terms which is necessary to understand fascism.
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I agree 100%

In Ye Days of Olde there were quite a few neo-nazi groups in this game. They achieved a special notoriety for griefing.
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I was talking about present day. I know of their history. However, the RLA destroys communities in the present time whereas the nazis do not.
 
I had the same problem when discussing Franco (as in Francisco Franco) with BlackBird and EuroSoviets. Franco was branded as "fascist" and I reminded them that Franco was a conservative and a monarchist. He tried his best to remove the most radical fascist elements from his government.

I told them perhaps I should start equating Stalinism to Trotskyism. ES has always been a Stalin fan :wink:
 
Oddly enough, BB has told me before that he puts nazis and invaders on the same moral level. Was he admitting that nazis were morally superior to RLA?
 
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