[SC- DEFEATED] Repeal: Recognition of the General Assembly

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Repeal: Recognition of the General Assembly
Category: Repeal | Target: SC #359
Proposed by: RemiorKami | Onsite Topic
Replacement: None​

The World Assembly Security Council,

Believing in the noble intentions of this resolution in explicitly recognizing the General Assembly through the lens of this council,

However reasoning there are a few fatal flaws within this resolution that make it nonviable, such as:

  • Finding that a plethora of resolutions in the Security Council already recognize the General Assembly chamber through the form of acknowledging past GA resolutions, the most recent of such resolutions to date being [resolution=SC#414]SC#414 “Commend Refuge Isle”[/resolution] and [resolution=SC#394]SC#394 “Commend Cretox State”[/resolution],
  • Understanding that recognizing the other chamber has always been a one-sided affair, as the SC has always recognized the GA, but the GA has never recognized the SC during the time span they had to do so, making the premise of the resolution laughable,
  • Noting that some GA ambassadors have been downright hostile to the Security Council chamber since its inception, and recognizing them and the GA itself will only bring more pain to this very council,

Discovering certain problems with the clauses of the resolution, including but not limited to:

  • The 2nd clause of the resolution, which is impractical to the purpose of the resolution, as all it does is just repeat the General Assembly's mission statement, giving nothing that nations cannot already find out themselves,
  • In clause 5, "Full Consequences" is vague, as it does not tell us anything about what those consequences are or how they will be given out,
  • The burdensome claim that a disavowment of one chamber is a disavowment of both, which prevents perfectly fine nations from getting a commend just because they were in "non-compliance" with the GA,


Recognizing that the whole resolution is pretty much redundant and does almost nothing to benefit the SC chambers, instead mainly just stating obvious facts,

Resolving that the resolution [resolution=SC#359]”Recognition of the General Assembly”[/resolution] shall no longer stand among others inside this august body due to its flaws, so;

Hereby Repeals SC#359 “Recognition of the General Assembly”.
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Overview
This resolution seeks to repeal SC#359, "Recognition of the General Assembly," which was created as an in-character recognition of the General Assembly, its responsibilities, and a documentation of the creation of the World Assembly and eventually the Security Council.

Recommendation
The repeal makes the argument that the General Assembly (GA) had failed to recognize the Security Council (SC) and as such the SC should not recognize the GA. This argument fails to take into account the fact that GA Secretariat has long established that mentions of the SC within the GA are illegal, and that the nature of the GA simply does not involve the necessity for a recognition of the SC. Additionally, part of this resolution relies on the argument that a handful of GA players have been hostile towards SC players, and as such recognizing the GA is somehow going to "bring more pain to [the SC]," which not only makes little sense but also solidifies personal drama permanently into the pages of international law.

For the reasons listed above, the Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote AGAINST the at-vote resolution, "Repeal: Recognition of the General Assembly."
 
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To break this down (I had explained this in-thread, but no action was taken on the matter) _
Jedinsto:
Believing in the noble intentions of this resolution in explicitly recognizing the General Assembly through the lens of this council,

However reasoning there are a few fatal flaws within this resolution that make it nonviable, such as:


  • Finding that a plethora of resolutions in the Security Council already recognize the General Assembly chamber through the form of acknowledging past GA resolutions, the most recent of such resolutions to date being [resolution=SC#414]SC#414 “Commend Refuge Isle”[/resolution] and [resolution=SC#394]SC#394 “Commend Cretox State”[/resolution],
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That's not all that 359 does. While 359 does indeed recognise that the GA exists and passes international legislation, the three other sections in the target are sufficient to deem it novel. Further, I would find that there is no harm in formally codifying a stance that is informally taken through other resolutions such as 414 and 394. This is not the same as, say, another declaration that also recognises the GA.

Jedinsto:
  • Understanding that recognizing the other chamber has always been a one-sided affair, as the SC has always recognized the GA, but the GA has never recognized the SC during the time span they had to do so, making the premise of the resolution laughable,
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This feels a lot like a "revenge" based argument. The GA does not recognise the SC because it is unable to due to metagaming rules. I don't agree with the argument that the SC should not recognise the GA because, in the past, the GA has not recognise the SC despite being able to.
Jedinsto:
  • Noting that some GA ambassadors have been downright hostile to the Security Council chamber since its inception, and recognizing them and the GA itself will only bring more pain to this very council,
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Yes, some have. Many others have not.
Jedinsto:
  • The 2nd clause of the resolution, which is impractical to the purpose of the resolution, as all it does is just repeat the General Assembly's mission statement, giving nothing that nations cannot already find out themselves,
  • In clause 5, "Full Consequences" is vague, as it does not tell us anything about what those consequences are or how they will be given out,
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Fair enough.
Jedinsto:
  • The burdensome claim that a disavowment of one chamber is a disavowment of both, which prevents perfectly fine nations from getting a commend just because they were in "non-compliance" with the GA,
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Good. (And no it doesn't, while it discourages non-compliers being commended, it doesn't "prevent" it.)

Combine these with the lack of any replacement, and I am vehemently against this.
 
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I mean, please go and get a web site for US$9.99 (or whatever it costs to buy a web domain and web hosting these days), and write your own game mechanism if you are not a fan of the current mechanism. http://www.ars-regendi.com/ shut down not too long ago, so it's not as if this is really an apparently commercially viable exercise.
 
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Overwhelmingly against. I didn't even bother consulting the Comrades' Assembly this time. I would've vetoed the assembly had they voted in favour anyways.
 
"Repeal "Recognition of the General Assembly"" was defeated 11,597 votes to 4,131.
 
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