Delegate St George:
Motion:
Gorundu has served the election commission ably and competently during their term, supervising the November 2021 Judicial Elections in that time. Their term was coming up and they accepted my offer of another term.
1. The names of private ballot voters are available to the other election commissioners present for the election, under this amendment to the Election Commission rules in 2018.
I'm not trying to prove a point here, I was just reminded by the more recent nominations that perhaps this should be moving forward, and I don't see a point in waiting or asking for someone else to do it. Plus there needs to be a seconder anyway.
Setting aside the fact that the hypothetical situation is an extremely stupid thing for an Election Commissioner to do and that either myself or a keen-eyed Election Commissioner or citizen would have discovered such an error long before the final day of voting, my response would be option A. I don't think we need to assume that there are people waiting until the literal last minute to cast their vote, and remember exactly when the vote ends in order to do so (and these people, if they exist, would be the ones to notice the time is wrong in the first place), so as I see it there's no one really disadvantaged by the error. It would be a matter of fixing the post to show when the vote was always supposed to end.
By that I meant you had a point that discussion stalled. You certainly could have posted to that effect, asked for more questions, nudged someone. You may think it's silly or unnecessary artifice to have a standard about motioning your own confirmation, you may think it's no big deal because the position is no big deal, but it's a line that's never been crossed. There's still some semblance of propriety and formality to what we do, and that's part of what makes TNP, TNP. And at the very least, you shouldn't make yourself indistinguishable from a spammy newcomer who begs for a ministry or that new guy in FA who thinks he can unilaterally ask other regions for embassies and order his own interview with media like it's a pizza. We would never accept this from them, we especially shouldn't accept it from you because you're the kind of player who should be above that sort of thing. I don't support that and consequently I cannot support your confirmation this time.
Election Commissioner confirmations are pretty routine and mundane affairs, and this is not the first time we momentarily forgot there's still a nomination outstanding and left it in the wayside. I certainly could have posted to invite more questions - it didn't really cross my mind because a few had already been asked and it's in many ways a formality anyway, especially for re-confirmations. And I didn't think it was something I needed to bother the Delegate for - to motion for a vote on a mundane confirmation. But I do accept there were different courses of action available and I chose a rather unusual one. Nevertheless, I'm not sure your comparison really holds up - I was asked by the Delegate if I would like to continue in the position, and I agreed, hence why this thread exists in the first place. I'm not begging for a position or trying to order the Regional Assembly around - just trying to get a routine item through the process. It's an apple-to-oranges comparison - not even that - it's like an apples-to-potatoes comparison. The real decision is always made on the voting floor - whoever brings it there is mere procedurals.
I answered the questions both before and after the motion in detail and to the best of my ability. I think that's the most important thing. TNP has many conventions, and I doubt we can even make a complete list of them even if we tried, because most people either don't know them or aren't sure how hard-set they are. The latter was the case with me really - I didn't think people would care that much about it, and honestly I still don't know if people other than you do. If we were talking about the convention of abstaining in your own confirmation and election votes (which has been recently broken), then I would perhaps understand more what the fuss is about "propriety" and such. Unfortunately it seems that over the years I have given you the impression of having some sort of deficiency in my judgment because of some rather inconsequential words, and I wish I can prove to you otherwise, but I suspect you'll be difficult to convince.
The motion to vote is noted. It will be scheduled to be held in 1 day.
The objection is noted. If there are 2 more members objecting to the vote, the vote scheduled will be cancelled.
The above objections are recognized and the scheduled vote is cancelled.
The motion and second are recognized. Voting will begin in a little over one day, at (time=1649545200).
This isn’t really a convention that TNP invented organically, it’s common sense. I don’t really know how I could explain it better, it’s not that hard to grasp the problem. Might be best for you to stop trying to talk around it though, because you’re right, I don’t think you can convince me that I’m out of line or unfair here.
Appreciate the reminder. I clearly forgot about that, and clearly didn’t care for it when it happened back then. I would note how relatively recent it is, so this is still something that isn’t typical. Even more of a reason not to let this continue in my book.
Seeing no further objections, this is now at vote. Voting will last for 5 days, until (time=1649982900) in your time zone. Discussion may continue in this thread.
