[GA - WITHDRAWN] Maritime Vessel Registration Act

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Maritime Vessel Registration Act
Category: Regulation | Area of Effect: Transportation
Proposed by: Port Ember | Onsite Topic


The World Assembly

Acknowledging that international waters are widely traveled for many purposes and fulfill a vital economic service;

Noting that extant laws regulate health & safety, security, communication, markings & signals, inspections, and labor concerns, which apply to member state vessels;

Concerned that no extant laws in existence compels a vessel to be registered under the jurisdiction of any nation, allowing nations to bypass those laws;

Believing that international uniform standards will serve to protect public interest, mariner safety and safeguard commerce;

Hereby,
  1. Defines a "vessel" as a non military craft designed to travel on or below the water surface and which employs a paid crew, for the purposes of this legislation.

  2. Member states must establish and maintain a ship register, which must serve to document and license any merchant vessel who wishes to travel within international waters.
    1. Member states may establish their own registration requirements and prerequisites.

  3. Member states must consider vessels registered to their state as under their jurisdiction, and must ensure that crews of registered vessels adhere to all applicable regulations.

  4. Specifies that;
    1. A vessel may be registered on any member nation's Ship Register, whether the owner of the vessel is a citizen of said nation or not, with the authority of the registering nation, and upon the completion of the registration process by both parties;

    2. Members must not register a vessel currently registered with another state unless currently transferring the vessel to a new jurisdiction.

  5. Member states must apply jurisdiction for the purposes of civil liability over any unregistered ship that is:
    1. Owned, entirely or in major part, by a person or entity domiciled within their jurisdiction, or

    2. Captained or substantially controlled by a person domiciled within their jurisdiction.

  6. Non compliance to this Act is to be treated as a criminal offence by member nations.
    1. Member states must impound any vessel violating this act until the vessel complies or the owner pays outstanding fines or penalties.

    2. Member states must extradite any foreign crewmembers of an impounded ship per extant World Assembly law.

    3. Member states may not construe anything in this resolution to apply to military vessels.
Note: Only votes from TNP WA nations and NPA personnel will be counted. If you do not meet these requirements, please add (non-WA) or something of that effect to your vote.
Voting Instructions:
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As of 10:48 AM EST, this proposal has entered the formal queue. It will take the floor in approximately 4 days time at Saturday's Minor Update.
 
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Present.
This isn't a concern of the Autocratic Republic or the comrades who reside within. This is only a matter of The North Pacific nations who are affected and cannot in good faith influence the vote.
 
I... don't even know where to begin.

Defines a "vessel" as a non military craft designed to travel on or below the water surface and which employs a paid crew, for the purposes of this legislation.
This definition is ambiguous. What's a "non military craft"? Do civilian ships contracted for military service count as vessels? How about impressed civilian ships? How about civilian ships transporting military goods? Also, this entire proposal minus clause 2 deals with just vessels, not merchant vessels. Why the distinction?

Member states must establish and maintain a ship register, which must serve to document and license any merchant vessel who wishes to travel within international waters.
First, this clause specifies merchant vessels, terminology that isn't used anywhere else in the proposal for... some reason. Second, any vessel "who" wishes to travel? This is basic proofreading. Third, what does this even mean? The wording suggests that any merchant vessel "who wishes" to travel in international waters must be documented and licensed. This is at odds with the rest of the proposal, especially clause 4, which pretty clearly makes out registration to be an optional process. An alternative interpretation (which is at odds with the wording of the clause) suggests that the registry must be open to any merchant vessel. In which case... okay, but the clause becomes completely redundant, and mildly contradicts its own subclause. Fourth, what if there's already a registry that fills this role? Fifth, what does "document and license" even mean here? What licenses? What documentation? It's never brought up again. This is either clumsiness or words for the sake of words. Also note that this clause doesn't actually mention registration.

Member states may establish their own registration requirements and prerequisites.
Well isn't that a blank check. This subclause allows any barriers to registration that member nations can cook up. It allows for corrupt rules and processes for maintaining registration as well as gaining it in the first place. Also, why does this clause talk about registration when its parent clause talks about documentation and licensing? Simply sloppy.

Specifies that... [a] vessel may be registered on any member nation's Ship Register, whether the owner of the vessel is a citizen of said nation or not, with the authority of the registering nation, and upon the completion of the registration process by both parties;
Why is "Ship Register" capitalized here and nowhere else? What does "with the authority of the registering nation" mean? "[A]nd upon the completion of the registration process by both parties"- aka the process solely up to member nations with no regulation.

Specifies that... [m]embers must not register a vessel currently registered with another state unless currently transferring the vessel to a new jurisdiction.
The formatting's a mess. The subject here isn't even the WA, since there's a period at the end of clause 1. This clause doesn't actually specify that "register" applies to the ship register. Also, you would need to register the vessel in a new registry to complete this transfer of jurisdiction. You can't transfer jurisdiction without transferring to another registry. This raises another problem: what if a vessel isn't travelling internationally anymore? What if a vessel's in a member's territorial waters? The proposal implies that the vessel would remain under the jurisdiction of whatever nation it's registered with. Why should a foreign nation be charged with enforcement of my nation's "regulations" in my nation's territorial waters?

Member states must apply jurisdiction for the purposes of civil liability over any unregistered ship that is... [owned], entirely or in major part, by a person or entity domiciled within their jurisdiction, or... [captained] or substantially controlled by a person domiciled within their jurisdiction.
Here's where we get to the really bad stuff. This section doesn't even use the defined term of "vessel"- it uses "ship". What's a ship? Why is this section establishing ships as being under the jurisdiction of potentially multiple members? What does "in major part" mean? What does "substantially controlled" mean? If you love proposals that use "reasonable," you'll love this.

Non compliance to this Act is to be treated as a criminal offence by member nations.
  1. Member states must impound any vessel violating this act until the vessel complies or the owner pays outstanding fines or penalties.

  2. Member states must extradite any foreign crewmembers of an impounded ship per extant World Assembly law.

  3. Member states may not construe anything in this resolution to apply to military vessels.
Subclause 1 refers to the impounding of vessels. Subclause 2 refers to the impounding of ships. Impounding is also a terrible one-size-fits-all solution. What if a ship is found to not meet construction regulations? Does it get impounded indefinitely by a member? What if the vessel's leaking chemicals in violation of regulations? Subclause 2 is utterly pointless. Extradition is a process carried out by request from one state to another for perpetrators of crimes. "[Per] extant" renders this subclause entirely subservient to prior WA law. Subclause 3... what exactly is a military non military craft? Clause 1's definition of "vessel" still applies here. This also isn't what "construe" means.

Hard against.
 
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I... don't even know where to begin.


This definition is ambiguous. What's a "non military craft"? Do civilian ships contracted for military service count as vessels? How about impressed civilian ships? How about civilian ships transporting military goods? Also, this entire proposal minus clause 2 deals with just vessels, not merchant vessels. Why the distinction?


First, this clause specifies merchant vessels, terminology that isn't used anywhere else in the proposal for... some reason. Second, any vessel "who" wishes to travel? This is basic proofreading. Third, what does this even mean? The wording suggests that any merchant vessel "who wishes" to travel in international waters must be documented and licensed. This is at odds with the rest of the proposal, especially clause 4, which pretty clearly makes out registration to be an optional process. An alternative interpretation (which is at odds with the wording of the clause) suggests that the registry must be open to any merchant vessel. In which case... okay, but the clause becomes completely redundant, and mildly contradicts its own subclause. Fourth, what if there's already a registry that fills this role? Fifth, what does "document and license" even mean here? What licenses? What documentation? It's never brought up again. This is either clumsiness or words for the sake of words. Also note that this clause doesn't actually mention registration.


Well isn't that a blank check. This subclause allows any barriers to registration that member nations can cook up. It allows for corrupt rules and processes for maintaining registration as well as gaining it in the first place. Also, why does this clause talk about registration when its parent clause talks about documentation and licensing? Simply sloppy.


Why is "Ship Register" capitalized here and nowhere else? What does "with the authority of the registering nation" mean? "[A]nd upon the completion of the registration process by both parties"- aka the process solely up to member nations with no regulation.


The formatting's a mess. The subject here isn't even the WA, since there's a period at the end of clause 1. This clause doesn't actually specify that "register" applies to the ship register. Also, you would need to register the vessel in a new registry to complete this transfer of jurisdiction. You can't transfer jurisdiction without transferring to another registry. This raises another problem: what if a vessel isn't travelling internationally anymore? What if a vessel's in a member's territorial waters? The proposal implies that the vessel would remain under the jurisdiction of whatever nation it's registered with. Why should a foreign nation be charged with enforcement of my nation's "regulations" in my nation's territorial waters?


Here's where we get to the really bad stuff. This section doesn't even use the defined term of "vessel"- it uses "ship". What's a ship? Why is this section establishing ships as being under the jurisdiction of potentially multiple members? What does "in major part" mean? What does "substantially controlled" mean? If you love proposals that use "reasonable," you'll love this.


Subclause 1 refers to the impounding of vessels. Subclause 2 refers to the impounding of ships. Impounding is also a terrible one-size-fits-all solution. What if a ship is found to not meet construction regulations? Does it get impounded indefinitely by a member? What if the vessel's leaking chemicals in violation of regulations? Subclause 2 is utterly pointless. Extradition is a process carried out by request from one state to another for perpetrators of crimes. "[Per] extant" renders this subclause entirely subservient to prior WA law. Subclause 3... what exactly is a military non military craft? Clause 1's definition of "vessel" still applies here. This also isn't what "construe" means.

Hard against.
Yeah, this. Strongly gonna urge y'all to vote Against on this one.
 
I must have been sleep-reading this proposal the first time round, and until Cretox pointed out the numerous flaws, I really didn't give this a second look. Now that I gave it a second look, I would have to point out other things that I noticed. And my, the issues are worse than I thought.

First of all, looking at the definition of "vessels", and subsequent use of the term "merchant vessels", I found the we have officially made cruise ships and commercial passenger-carrying ships exempted from this proposal. Why? Because none of those examples are merchant vessels, which is the term being used throughout 90% of the proposal.

Secondly, defining vessels as "non military craft" is a terrible idea because they killed themselves with the last clause with regards to "military vessels", because this phrase refers to nothing in the world (military... Non military craft?) It is also interesting to think about what happens if it is a craft, built for the military of country X, and being shipped to country X. Does these set of rules apply anymore?

Thirdly, since the proposal is only applied to member nations, there is absolutely no part of this proposal that deals with the possibility of having ships come from non-member nations. Though this may not be an emphasis of the proposal, it may cause lots of awkward trouble especially if the crewmates are that of member nations while the ship is "supposedly" from a non-member nation. Tough to propose, but there should be a clause or two dealing with such situations.

Fourth, I think that there are certain wordings which have confused me on closer reading, and as highlighted by Cretox (or IA if you do look at the forum post on NS forums), these wordings could be improved. I guess any sane government would find it difficult to "extradite any foreign crewmembers of an impounded ship per extant World Assembly law" if the foreign crewmembers have no committed any crimes per se under their own country's laws.
 
As a result of recent feedback, this proposal has been withdraw and the thread locked until such time as the author submits.
 
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