RMB Regulations Bill

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  1. Artemis

    Artemis Speaker of the Regional Assembly Speaker Security Council Election Commissioner Citizen

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    It has been brought up in discussions regarding the lack of official rules governing the RMB as well as what actions can be taken by officials with communications power (supressing posts) and border controls (ejecting and banning) against other nations. Currently LC7.3.16 grants the Serving Delegate the authority to regulate the Regional Message Board as they see fit. But it does not specify what action can be taken for violation of those rules as the rest of chapter 7.3 does.

    Section 7.3: Onsite Authority
    11. Violators of NationStates rules may be subject to summary ejection or banning.
    12. Nations recruiting for other regions may be subject to summary ejection or banning.
    13. Nations for which the Court has issued an indictment permitting it may be ejected or banned.
    14. Nations that have been so sentenced by the Court will be ejected or banned.
    15. The official performing an ejection or ban will promptly inform the region and Government.
    16. The Serving Delegate may regulate the Regional Message Board as they see fit.
    17. Such regulations may not prohibit speech which is in the context of TNP politics.
    18. All actions of the WA Delegate, the Serving Delegate, or of their appointed Regional Officers related to this section will be subject to judicial review.

    Therefore, I would like to offer the following amendment to the Legal Code 7.3.16 to define the actions that may be taken for violation of the rules established by the Delegate governing the RMB.

    Section 7.3: Onsite Authority
    11. Violators of NationStates rules may be subject to summary ejection or banning.
    12. Nations recruiting for other regions may be subject to summary ejection or banning.
    13. Nations for which the Court has issued an indictment permitting it may be ejected or banned.
    14. Nations that have been so sentenced by the Court will be ejected or banned.
    15. The official performing an ejection or ban will promptly inform the region and Government.
    16. The Serving Delegate may regulate the Regional Message Board as they see fit. Nations may be ejected or banned for violation of established regulations.
    17. Such regulations may not prohibit speech which is in the context of TNP politics.
    18. All actions of the WA Delegate, the Serving Delegate, or of their appointed Regional Officers related to this section will be subject to judicial review.
     
  2. mcmasterdonia

    mcmasterdonia TNPer Administrator Supporter NPA Citizen

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    That seems quite broad. Usually harassment, spamming, trolling, racism, adult content type posts all fall under the ability to ban for breaches of NS rules. That’s usually the main type of thing that leads to bans for rmb posting.

    Are there other specific things that you would imagine this would cover? Thinking that depending on the Delegate it could turn into a BoR issue if those regulations were particularly restrictive
     
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  3. Artemis

    Artemis Speaker of the Regional Assembly Speaker Security Council Election Commissioner Citizen

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    One thing that I think the regulations would help is instead of simply kicking/banning the regulations would help establish a procedure for those actions.

    ie. When a nation is breaking the rules, an official will reach out either publicly or privately and a. warn them for breaking the rules and b. engage with the nation to help learn from their mistakes. Being a moderator in other regions and communities, I realize that won't always work and the individual will continue breaking the rules. After they have been warned then a kick/ban would be appropriate.
     
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  4. Crushing Our Enemies

    Crushing Our Enemies TNPer Administrator Supporter Security Council Attorney General Election Commissioner Citizen

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    It's a good thought, but there have to be more restrictions placed on the delegate's ability to set regulations. As it stands, this bill is a textbook violation of the right to free speech. It allows the delegate to set any regulations that they see fit. Hypothetically, a delegate could ban RP under this bill. They could forbid criticism of the government. They could limit posts to 140 characters. And this doesn't restrict them to only setting rules on content. Hypothetically, under this bill, a delegate could require that everyone post on the RMB at least once a week. They could forbid all RMB posting whatsoever. In short, they could de facto criminalize all manner of legal behavior, and punish violations summarily through the harshest punishment that exists.

    Generally, I am OK with allowing the Bill of Rights to be self-executing - in other words, it's ok to write legislation that could be interpreted as allowing BOR violations, because those violations are already prohibited by the BOR itself. However, in this case, I think that if restrictions are placed on public speech, those restrictions should be enumerated in the law, not left to a single government official, even the delegate, to decide.
     
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  5. Artemis

    Artemis Speaker of the Regional Assembly Speaker Security Council Election Commissioner Citizen

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    Does not the subsequent section 18 address that though?
     
  6. Vapia

    Vapia TNPer Resident Citizen

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    Im a bit confused over this editing of the bill. Is it just claryfing implied consequences of violating the rules?
     
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  7. Yuno

    Yuno TNPer Supporter NPA Citizen

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    It basically adds this line to give the delegate permission to ban people

    16. The Serving Delegate may regulate the Regional Message Board as they see fit. Nations may be ejected or banned for violation of established regulations.


    But I thought the delegate already has permission to do so? Last time, he banned a spammer recently.
     
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  8. Wonderess

    Wonderess A lowly member of the faithful Supporter Citizen

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    There is one issue I would like to bring up. How will the RMB take legislation being imposed from the forum gang onto the RMB? Perhaps there should be some dialogue and diplomacy before taking this further.
     
  9. Syrixia

    Syrixia The one, the true, the great. Supporter Citizen

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    No. Just no.

    You are implying that there are two 'regions' inside TNP rather than, well, TNP. If we were to operate on this precedent, it would be both regressive and dangerous concerning precedents set.

    Why should either the Regional Assembly or the Government of The North Pacific conduct "diplomacy" with the RMB? Why should TNPers conduct diplomacy with TNPers? If RMBers have a problem with this legislation they can come here and say so.

    We are all TNPers, especially since the Citizenship Reform- the RMBers have as little of a right to be considered "autonomous" from/within the community of The North Pacific as us here on the forum.
     
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  10. Wonderess

    Wonderess A lowly member of the faithful Supporter Citizen

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    This is a noble notion, but there happens to be a reality that threatens that view. There are struggles in regard to the two domains of the region. We are one region, but all of here talking are often on the forum. There needs to be a conversation with those who call the RMB their main home, and I would like to see some of them here to give input.
     
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  11. Syrixia

    Syrixia The one, the true, the great. Supporter Citizen

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    I absolutely agree that there should be a conversation, but in the sense of just that- a conversation. I'm absolutely fine with involving RMBers in the discussion, and I think we should encourage this in some way. They are TNPers just like us and deserve the opportunity to chime in. I just don't like the idea of some sort of negotiation proceeding or what have you between forummers and RMBers. That is not the right way to encourage discussion. It undermines the community unity of TNP and I take issue with that possibility. If that's not what you meant at all, then we'll chalk it up to poor word choice and I'll be on my way.
     
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  12. BluieGamer

    BluieGamer Resident Future Drug Maker Supporter Deputy Minister NPA Citizen

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    What kind of infractions would warrant an ejection/ban from TNP that isn't reportable to NS mods though?
     
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  13. Artemis

    Artemis Speaker of the Regional Assembly Speaker Security Council Election Commissioner Citizen

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    Perhaps it was a poor choice of a title
     
  14. mcmasterdonia

    mcmasterdonia TNPer Administrator Supporter NPA Citizen

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    Probably just like all in game nations accept the laws enacted by the RA. All legislation we pass applies to the whole region. It’s not a new concept. There is no other way for us to pass laws.
     
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  15. Vapia

    Vapia TNPer Resident Citizen

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    I don’t really see a scenario in which this would be a cause for concern for rmbers. I think most rmbers would agree that the delegate should be able to ban people.
     
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  16. Wonderess

    Wonderess A lowly member of the faithful Supporter Citizen

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    I understand that the RA is right to do this, I'm just saying that it would be important to make sure the RMBers are involved in this conversation so that this action cannot be misconstrued. Think of it as a safeguard against a possible issue down the road. We should always endeavor to cover all of our bases and make sure there are no unfortunate effects that could have been avoided.
     
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  17. Dreadton

    Dreadton Registered Citizen

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    Why not add a section the subjects the delegates action in the RMB to review by the court, or what ever body reviews disciplinary actions in other areas of TNP?
     
  18. Sil Dorsett

    Sil Dorsett I'm a lot of things. Supporter Security Council Roleplay Moderator Vice Delegate Citizen

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    It's already in there. The only thing is that it's not an automatic review. As it stands now, I believe someone, either the person banned or the AG, would have to initiate it.
     
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