19:12 Mall: alright here in a top secret location is Milograd, perpetrator of the Coup of TSP.
19:12 Mall: Milo pleasure to be with you.
19:12 Milograd: Hello.
19:13 Mall: Milo the question that has been asked and answered a thousand times is boring, so I won't ask why you did it. But I will ask who was the most fun to ban?
19:14 Milograd: No one will know my actual reasons for doing it for at least a few years.
19:14 Milograd: And most fun to ban? Probably Heronlord from The East Pacific's army. It was like a game of ping-pong.
19:14 Milograd: Least favorite was probably 1 Infinite Loop, because I felt bad about that one afterwards. That's the only one I felt bad about.
19:15 Milograd: But alas he was a reactionary agent.
19:17 Mall: Totally understandable. Recently we have seen your Court case take an interesting turn as practically every agent of the Coalition has essentially declared that you will be found guilty, and that is that. What is your response to this trial?
19:18 Milograd: Oh, it's a complete and utter joke.
19:18 Milograd: HEM is as neutral as Lenin was capitalist. He is absolutely unqualified to serve as the chief justice.
19:19 Milograd: Hell, he claims that he was purged.
19:19 Milograd: How could he be less biased?
19:19 Milograd: It's a show trial and a sham.
19:19 Mall: You also levied very serious accusations against both Bel and Hile regarding a planned invasion of TRR. Would you like to share this story with TMI?
19:19 Milograd: Heh, sure.
19:20 Milograd: During my delegacy I was approached by Bel about bringing back old plans to life regarding TRR. This was roughly when SovCon was founded.
19:21 Mall: Do tell!
19:21 Milograd: Bel never really got over the Devonitians coup (which he still, for whatever reason, insists TRR was behind) and, according to him, Hileville approved of a plan to try to take the delegacy during his term -- I have no confirmation that Hile was did that, to be honest, but I wouldn't be surprised. However, Bel was very interested and insistent on doing it.
19:22 Mall: And what was the plan specifically?
19:23 Milograd: There were two potential ones -- both were pretty shoddy.
19:23 Mall: And what prevented the plans from being attempted?
19:23 Milograd: The first was that Bel would move his main nation, Belschaft, to TSP and get appointed to the vice-delegacy. He'd tart up a bit and I'd systematically purge new nations so that he could take the delegacy.
19:24 Milograd: The second was that he'd just tart his way to the delegacy, which, as far as I know, hasn't been done in TRR since 2003.
19:24 Milograd: Mall: Well, nothing at first -- I approved of it, but it didn't happen because I eventually shut it down. Bel expressed interest in continuing it after my term though.
19:25 Milograd: Ultimately it's kind of funny, seeing as he likes to whine about GCR unity.
19:25 Milograd: It's unsurprising though given his election rigging in Balder, lol.
19:25 Mall: Fascinating. Obviously Bel and Hile have denied these accusations, do you know of any other government members who were aware of this plan?
19:26 Milograd: No, it was just them.
19:26 Milograd: Even the cabinet wasn't alerted.
19:26 Mall: So they intended to act without the permission of any other part of the government?
19:26 Milograd: From what I was able to tell, yep.
19:27 Milograd: Bel was Minister of Security during my delegacy, and I think he was -- though I'd have to check -- during Hile's. It was supposed to be a closed off thing.
19:28 Milograd: Behind closed doors they're actually pretty skeptical of the cabinet, which is amusing. Hileschaftgrad was a joke of ours that was made because, as Bel described it, we were "powerbrokers" in the region. HEM was never trusted with anything like this because he was viewed with suspicion due to his Euro ties, and Bel doesn't trust Ant for shit, lol. Admittedly, Ant is a solid TSPer even though he made the mistake of trying to overthrow the NPO a while back.
19:29 Milograd: Nor does Hile, though they like to keep him on a leash (i.e. when they had him hold down WA's delegacy for nearly a year to keep him away from TSP). They think he is useful for activity though.
19:29 Milograd: Originally they tried to get me to re-run for delegacy because they thought the candidates -- GE, DM, and Ant -- were all incompetent.
19:30 Milograd: Hile decided to run at the last minute to ensure that the "incompetents" would be scared off and because he wanted to finally run against me in a "fair" election. So all three of those candidates dropped out, lol.
19:27 Mall: Interesting indeed. Going back to your coup, there has been a large amount of speculation regarding the third member of the Troika. Would you like to tell us who it was?
19:30 Milograd: Mall: I'd have to ask him. Not sure if he is willing to come out yet.
19:30 Mall: It certainly seems as though TSP politics were dominated by one group. And you couldn't be bribed or persuaded into telling us?
19:30 Milograd: lol
19:31 Milograd: and yeah, it sort of was.
19:31 Milograd: It was pretty divided but a charade of unity was maintained.
19:32 Milograd: Amongst active people, it was Bel-Milo-Hile at the top, then Ant-RT-GE-DM as "incompetent people who we can get to do stuff", then Penguin, Alv, and so on as "incompetent spammers who help make us look active but shouldn't be given any real authority."
19:32 Milograd: Those aren't my own words in any other way except that they are paraphrased. Lost a lot of logs when my computer broke. :/
19:32 Mall: That is truly unfortunate.
19:32 Milograd: Enh, yeah. I got tired of it.
19:33 Mall: Do you believe that the plan regarding TRR may be reactivated?
19:33 Milograd: I wouldn't be surprised.
19:33 Milograd: Bel never let it go. It was absurd.
19:33 Milograd: "It's hardly news that we don't like TRR, and vice versa."
19:33 Milograd: "'I'm even more disappointed in seeing our erstwhile allies entering into an alliance with The Rejected Realms. Friendly relations with TRR are incompatible with being an ally of TSP."
19:34 Milograd: Those quotes are from *2013*, and are available in GP.
19:34 Milograd: Like, seriously -- the TSP coup was in 2011, and TRR wasn't even behind it.
19:34 Milograd: Bel did mention that he would probably want to pursue it after my delegacy, so I guess I could see it being reactivated.
19:34 Mall: Do other members of TSP blame TRR for the Dev Coup?
19:35 Milograd: Mall: At this point, most of the people in TSP weren't around for Devon.
19:35 Milograd: Hile doesn't, Ant doesn't, SB doesn't (or has forgiven them, I'm not positive with where SB stands), etc.
19:35 Milograd: It's a radical view lol. Bel is an outlier and always has been in that regard.
19:37 Milograd: In any event, it's always amusing to hear him whine about GCR sovereignty and unity when he plotted to coup TRR and committed election fraud in Balder.
19:37 Milograd: 19:33 Mall: Would you be willing to share any remaining logs with TMI? <<< I have one shoddy log saved, yeah.
19:39 Milograd: My favorite part of this all is how Bel refuses to acknowledge that it's true and that my posts revealing it on TSP's forum were suppressed. Hile lied straight to #TNP's face and said that nothing was suppressed, and only reversed the suppression when he was called out on it by other people who saw it disappear. They clearly had/have something to hide, lol.
19:39 Milograd: The Coalition has free speech until you reveal their backroom plots to coup TRR. :p
19:45 Milograd: Admittedly, I never actually discussed the coup plot with Hile so I can't be certain that he was actually involved, but Bel definitely was.
19:46 Milograd: It was conducted through PMs, and Bel said Hile was involved, so that's what I have to go off of.
19:47 Mall: Now I recall a friendship announcement being put forward between TRR and TSP. Would you like to elaborate on it?
19:47 Milograd: Oh, yeah.
19:48 Milograd: I released that a day or two after Bel started trying to get the invasion plot alive again.
19:48 Mall: What was the purpose of it then?
19:48 Milograd: I eventually concluded that his plan was shit and that it wasn't reasonable to go for it, so I wanted to bury the plan once in for all.
19:48 Milograd: thus, the statement.
19:49 Mall: Now Bel, as a member of the UDL, would seemingly be against couping TRR. What do you attribute his UDL membership to?
19:49 Milograd: lol
19:49 Milograd: Bel wanted Uni out of the UDL for a long while.
19:50 Milograd: He even bragged about trying to replace Uni, if you recall that.
19:50 Milograd: When Uni retired he saw the opportunity to influence the UDL again due to his old guard status and returned to them to influence their elections, even after going against them publicly for a long while. He admitted this to me.
19:51 Mall: So was TSP looking to influence the UDL election which is still ongoing?
19:51 Milograd: Nah, I think a lot of TSP was like me -- tired of hearing about the UDL entirely.
19:51 Milograd: But Bel definitely wanted to.
19:51 Milograd: It drove me nuts.
19:51 Mall: Why is that?
19:52 Milograd: I independently made a comment at one point about how I thought Campinia was a good choice and it was stated that this was TSP trying to influence their elections, which was untrue.
19:52 Milograd: Then, a day or two later, Bel PMs me and asks me to bend over backwards, have TSP apologize for victimizing the UDL, and have us get friendly with them again while he set the conclave up in his/our interests. :|
19:52 Milograd: "Our" being TSP, though really I don't think other members of the Coalition would have approved of it.
19:53 Mall: Is this ongoing as far as you know?
19:53 Milograd: Oh, most definitely.
19:53 Milograd: He's still a member of the conclave. Even though he had no presence in the UDL and was actually against them until the leadership elections started.
19:53 Milograd: He saw the chance to influence something powerful and went for it.
19:54 Milograd: I can't blame him, really, but it's awfully hypocritical.
19:55 Milograd: and moreover, he wanted me to make *TSP* bend over for them.
19:55 Milograd: Which was terribly annoying.
19:55 Milograd: Honestly, it was probably one of the things that made me decide that the Coalition was hopeless.
19:54 Mall: Do you know which way he is trying to push the conclave? A particular candidate?
19:54 Milograd: I have no clue.
19:54 Milograd: I just said "no" (but later said "yes") and didn't talk to him about it anymore afterwards, because I thought it was bloody stupid.
19:54 Milograd: I wanted absolutely nothing to do with the UDL but to leave them be, and he wanted to drag us back into their mess.
20:00 Milograd: ...actually, now that I think about it, I think he preferred that Elu become CoB -- a good choice, to be honest.
20:02 Milograd: He thought Mahaj was a "grossly incompetent Uni caricature", that Cormac was a [competent] hothead, and that Tim was "meh" and too questionable given his raiding history.
20:07 Milograd: amendment to the 20:04 comment -- he also thinks Sovreigny is a "userite". I had to laugh at that one.
19:55 Mall: These have been some very serious accusations, do you believe people will believe you? Do you believe they should?
19:56 Milograd: I imagine some people will believe me and some won't.
19:56 Milograd: I mean, people will obviously be skeptical of the big bad couper's claims, but those who actually pay attention and are intelligent should be able to connect the dots.
20:03 Mall: Is there anything else you'd like to tell the readers before the interview comes to an end?
20:04 Milograd: I guess it's worth noting that I like Bel personally, but dislike the way he plays from my perspective as a player. Just 'cause I don't want people thinking that I associate in-game stuff with personal stuff.
20:05 Mall: I'm going to have to agree there. And for the record, Bel, I love you. I'm just the one conducting the interview here.
20:04 Mall: Thoughts on the Conclave?
20:04 Milograd: Mall: What a godawful voting system lol.
20:05 Milograd: I don't think they'll get an eighty percent majority for a long time.
20:05 Mall: Yes, it is a rather high threshold.
20:06 Milograd: I'd just have Elu throw together some kind of "first, second, third" choice system.
20:06 Milograd: With points.
20:06 Milograd: Have a campaign period for five days and then hold the vote on the weekend after sending a mass PM alerting people about it.
20:07 Mall: Indeed, I'm sure many are wondering at this point why on earth they have set up such a complex system. But it has been an absolute pleasure Milo. I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavours, and I will certainly enjoy working with you in a Black Hawk capacity.
20:08 Milograd: And thank you. I'm not sure if I'll like raiding too much yet -- I'm just tentatively experimenting with it for the time being to see if it's a practice I enjoy -- but you seem like you'd be good to work with.
20:09 Mall: I'm sure we could have great fun together. This is TMI reporting, 5/23/2013, Mallorea and Milograd.
