The Pacific's second apology

[Amerion]

The Emperor of the Pacific Order has just recently issued a statement on the gameplay forum, to again apologise for the Lazarus coup.

Thoughts?

Spoiler: Statement in full

Imperial Statement from the Pacific and the Pacific Order​

While an official apology was issued to Lazarus in November 2015, many in that region felt that the Pacific did not go far enough to address the wrongs that were committed towards them during the events of April last year. Therefore, in light of the conclusion of the legal proceedings in Lazarus regarding those events, and in an attempt to finally put these issues behind us, I have decided to issue a new apology to Lazarus for the events that took place fourteen months ago.

The Pacific hereby acknowledges in full the complicity of its government in the overthrow of the People's Republic of Lazarus in April 2015. The then-Regent of the Pacific Order undertook a systemic dismantling of the PRL with its associate, former Delegate of Lazarus, Stujenske, with the aim of creating a satellite organization known now as the New Lazarene Order.

The structure of our government at that time granted the Regent wide-ranging authority and it is therefore undeniable that even without the Emperor's blessing, knowledge, or consent, the actions of the Regent nation in this instance represented action on the part of the Pacific Order and the Pacific as a whole. Further, subsequent inaction on the part of the Pacific Order to distance itself from the coup, and complicity in the formation of a joint regional forum, exacerbated the situation and entrenched the dogmatic approach representatives from the Pacific took in regards to foreign policy.

A lack of communication at the highest levels in regards to the authority and representation of other parties, such as A Mean Old Man and Milograd, only added to this confusion and obfuscating. By failing to respond to accusations of representation on the part of the Pacific, the Order allowed outside parties that were not part of its government to dictate its position.

To clarify, the Pacific maintains that the Regent was not acting on the authority of the Emperor, but acknowledges that the Regent had the authority to take the actions it did on the Pacific Order's behalf, thereby making the Pacific guilty of supporting the overthrow of the People's Republic of Lazarus by default. We maintain that A Mean Old Man and Milograd were not a part of the Pacific Order at the time of the coup, and were not granted Senate access by the Emperor at any time throughout the events surrounding the New Lazarene Order. The failings of the Order are most prominently manifest in the formation of a joint regional forum after the fact, in what was hoped to be making the best of a bad situation.

The Pacific and Lazarus had maintained a close working relationship for at least two years prior to the events of last April. The Senate and the region as a whole are very sorry that the work of those two years was dismantled and discarded on a whim because two national leaders thought it would be a good laugh. The Pacific is sorry for the long-lasting results of that short period of turmoil and for the continued animosity some parties harbor because of it.

The Pacific Order acknowledges the crimes of former Regent Feux in regards to violating the sovereignty of a closely allied region and fellow GCR. Therefore, we declare Feux, former Lazarus Delegate Stujenske, A Mean Old Man, and currently DoS nation Milograd as persona non grata in the Pacific.

Signed,
Ivan Moldavi
Leader of Pierconium
Emperor of the Pacific Order

The Pacific Senate

 

[quak1234]

We all just need to hug it out.

 

[Deleted User (Guest)]

News just in: the oldest region in NS can conduct its own foreign policy.

I don't have an opinion, this is entirely a matter between Lazarus and The Pacific.

 

[Amerion]

News just in: the oldest region in NS can conduct its own foreign policy.

I don't have an opinion, this is entirely a matter between Lazarus and The Pacific.

Haha

 

[Guy]

It's much better. My understanding is that Milograd and AMOM were certainly well-weaved into NPO structures at the time, whether it was signed-off by the Emperor or not.

 

[Elegarth]

News just in: the oldest region in NS can conduct its own foreign policy.

I don't have an opinion, this is entirely a matter between Lazarus and The Pacific.

This, for the second time in about a month, why does people in TNP (not all) keeps thinking they need to monitor or scan other regions relationships? Jesus, so tiresome.

 

[Gracius Maximus]

It's much better. My understanding is that Milograd and AMOM were certainly well-weaved into NPO structures at the time, whether it was signed-off by the Emperor or not.

Your understanding is incorrect, based on my information.

 

[falapatorius]

News just in: the oldest region in NS can conduct its own foreign policy.

I don't have an opinion, this is entirely a matter between Lazarus and The Pacific.

This, for the second time in about a month, why does people in TNP (not all) keeps thinking they need to monitor or scan other regions relationships? Jesus, so tiresome.

It is a matter of public record now. Not everyone visits the NSG Forum. Some of us are actually interested in foreign affairs (given the lack thereof in TNP of late).

This apology (if voluntarily offered) is encouraging. I'd like to see this forward progression by TP continue.

 

[Nasania]

News just in: the oldest region in NS can conduct its own foreign policy.

I don't have an opinion, this is entirely a matter between Lazarus and The Pacific.

This, for the second time in about a month, why does people in TNP (not all) keeps thinking they need to monitor or scan other regions relationships? Jesus, so tiresome.

Because our relations with other regions is deemed to be a legitimate matter of concern and worth considerable political and, if need be, economic and military efforts should our client be seen as endangered. In addition both regions see the relationship as legitimate, normal and desirable. by some folks

I'm sure we've got some odd law sitting around that says that. If not, well as one great man said: "The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer."
I find that quote oddly relevant to the situation between Lazarus-Pacific.

As for the statement above? It looks like damage control. The Pacific lost a lot of face in that mess, and are now having to clean up their rep. Was a rather strange episode from what I recall.

 

[Gracius Maximus]

News just in: the oldest region in NS can conduct its own foreign policy.

I don't have an opinion, this is entirely a matter between Lazarus and The Pacific.

This, for the second time in about a month, why does people in TNP (not all) keeps thinking they need to monitor or scan other regions relationships? Jesus, so tiresome.

Because our relations with other regions is deemed to be a legitimate matter of concern and worth considerable political and, if need be, economic and military efforts should our client be seen as endangered. In addition both regions see the relationship as legitimate, normal and desirable. by some folks

I'm sure we've got some odd law sitting around that says that. If not, well as one great man said: "The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer."
I find that quote oddly relevant to the situation between Lazarus-Pacific.

As for the statement above? It looks like damage control. The Pacific lost a lot of face in that mess, and are now having to clean up their rep. Was a rather strange episode from what I recall.

Are you claiming that TNP is a client state of the Pacific?

I'm fairly certain the statement has nothing to do with 'damage control'. That was handled months ago. It reads more as an acknowledgment of Lazarus closing the books on the issue on their end, with the conclusion of their trial, and the Pacific wishing to do the same.

 

[Nasania]

News just in: the oldest region in NS can conduct its own foreign policy.

I don't have an opinion, this is entirely a matter between Lazarus and The Pacific.

This, for the second time in about a month, why does people in TNP (not all) keeps thinking they need to monitor or scan other regions relationships? Jesus, so tiresome.

Because our relations with other regions is deemed to be a legitimate matter of concern and worth considerable political and, if need be, economic and military efforts should our client be seen as endangered. In addition both regions see the relationship as legitimate, normal and desirable. by some folks

I'm sure we've got some odd law sitting around that says that. If not, well as one great man said: "The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer."
I find that quote oddly relevant to the situation between Lazarus-Pacific.

As for the statement above? It looks like damage control. The Pacific lost a lot of face in that mess, and are now having to clean up their rep. Was a rather strange episode from what I recall.

Are you claiming that TNP is a client state of the Pacific?

No, the Pacific is OUR client state, along with all other regions. We've been puppet mastering all along, like the Illuminati. I'm sure we have weird regionalists that think that way in this region. We've got to spin some conspiracy theory now?

 

[Gracius Maximus]

News just in: the oldest region in NS can conduct its own foreign policy.

I don't have an opinion, this is entirely a matter between Lazarus and The Pacific.

This, for the second time in about a month, why does people in TNP (not all) keeps thinking they need to monitor or scan other regions relationships? Jesus, so tiresome.

Because our relations with other regions is deemed to be a legitimate matter of concern and worth considerable political and, if need be, economic and military efforts should our client be seen as endangered. In addition both regions see the relationship as legitimate, normal and desirable. by some folks

I'm sure we've got some odd law sitting around that says that. If not, well as one great man said: "The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer."
I find that quote oddly relevant to the situation between Lazarus-Pacific.

As for the statement above? It looks like damage control. The Pacific lost a lot of face in that mess, and are now having to clean up their rep. Was a rather strange episode from what I recall.

Are you claiming that TNP is a client state of the Pacific?

No, the Pacific is OUR client state, along with all other regions. We've been puppet mastering all along, like the Illuminati. I'm sure we have weird regionalists that think that way in this region. We've got to spin some conspiracy theory now?

Oh okay, just checking.

Yes, I agree. The Pacific is definitely a client state of TNP.

 

[St George]

News just in: the oldest region in NS can conduct its own foreign policy.

I don't have an opinion, this is entirely a matter between Lazarus and The Pacific.

This, for the second time in about a month, why does people in TNP (not all) keeps thinking they need to monitor or scan other regions relationships? Jesus, so tiresome.

Pretty much this, tbh. Arguing about the NPO is so tedious at this point, mainly because its unlikely ever to change anything. We are in a cycle of overreach, retreat to rebuild relationships, overreach again. It's a cycle that will probably never end on the NPO's side - unless the Emperor/Delegate decides to drastically change things over there, which would blow gameplay wide open again, but is probably against almost everyone's interest to do.

 

[Elegarth]

News just in: the oldest region in NS can conduct its own foreign policy.

I don't have an opinion, this is entirely a matter between Lazarus and The Pacific.

This, for the second time in about a month, why does people in TNP (not all) keeps thinking they need to monitor or scan other regions relationships? Jesus, so tiresome.

Pretty much this, tbh. Arguing about the NPO is so tedious at this point, mainly because its unlikely ever to change anything. We are in a cycle of overreach, retreat to rebuild relationships, overreach again. It's a cycle that will probably never end on the NPO's side - unless the Emperor/Delegate decides to drastically change things over there, which would blow gameplay wide open again, but is probably against almost everyone's interest to do.

They say every hero requires an evil to beat, every savior requires a devil, and every good story a conflict to overcome...

Is that what you mean about this being "probably against almost everyone's interest to do."? Is NPO your big bad wolf?

 

[St George]

I think the game needs a big bad wolf, whether it is one that chooses to be one or not. I can only talk about what I've seen the NPO do in 5 or so years as an active participant in GCRs and even then I'm not sure the actions of the NPO would justify the tag.

I think you could paint the narrative of the anti-democratic NPO and democratic TNP are at two ends of a scale, whether that means conflict is inevitable is - thankfully - the concern of people with much more... life than me in the game.

 

[Flemingovia]

Is NPO your big bad wolf?

Compared to the NPO of old? Meh.

 

[IndieGirl]

Is NPO your big bad wolf?

Compared to the NPO of old? Meh.

 

[Nasania]

I think the game needs a big bad wolf, whether it is one that chooses to be one or not. I can only talk about what I've seen the NPO do in 5 or so years as an active participant in GCRs and even then I'm not sure the actions of the NPO would justify the tag.

I think you could paint the narrative of the anti-democratic NPO and democratic TNP are at two ends of a scale, whether that means conflict is inevitable is - thankfully - the concern of people with much more... life than me in the game.

Arguing about the NPO is so tedious at this point, mainly because its unlikely ever to change anything. We are in a cycle of overreach, retreat to rebuild relationships, overreach again. It's a cycle that will probably never end on the NPO's side - unless the Emperor/Delegate decides to drastically change things over there, which would blow gameplay wide open again, but is probably against almost everyone's interest to do.

I wouldn't say the TNP is entirely democratic. It's more like an oligarchy with democratic characteristics. In other words, a typical Republic. Also your description of political conflict mirrors Carl Schmitt's theories in the concept of the political. You may want to check out his works on the subject. I personally don't think TNP really requires an enemy in the NPO as there's plenty of other extremist groups that can fit the bill(e.g. Nazis, odd ISIS supporters, Khmer Rouge style Anarchist Communists, Social Darwinist Capitalists, North Korea etc.) Granted NPO has become NS DPRK of late.

As for your statements about problems of expansion for NPO here's my analysis of it, and why their political system actively works against expansion.

Spoiler: Long drawn out Analysis of the Pacific

For the Pacific to expand, they have to simultaneously drum up sufficient numbers to take new regions and guard against potential coups by ambitious generals. Drumming up the numbers for military adventures isn't likely as their very system is geared against it to some degree as new 'rising stars' so to speak could threaten a coup against the sitting Delegate, Overly Successful Generals are automatically going to be viewed with suspicion. Their system is geared for stability as long as the delegate is active, but it also isn't really geared for military expansion. Their Oligarchs won't want to expand their numbers either as it means having to share more power and their individual value is worth less in regional decisions. Combine that with trying to conquer other regions and add to their empire makes the situation more unstable. The new Conquering Generals would have a new support base and could theoretically break from the NPO and form their own separate Empire or possibly use their own private army to coup the sitting Emperor if they so wished, so keeping them under control and defending against their existing enemies, makes an already difficult task of expansion nigh impossible.

If they are to expand they need to somehow recruit the locals into the puppet government they've set up(perhaps rewarding the disenfranchised of the previous govt, which would require intelligence operations to gather intel on who those are). The Empire that invaded TEP seems to have done this and completely altered their very system of government to a compromise between imperialists and the old constitutionalists. Perhaps NPO could try something similar, promising their potential recruits further power by expanding their own operations semi-independently of the Pacific while still flying the NPO flag. It might give them some strength, so they are practically an independent region but follow the same cause. Kinda like a Dominion in the British Empire in RL. Keep a few political officers to keep tabs on the would be governors and keep the Emperor of the Pacific as the Head of State of the various dominions. I think this is the model Imperialists use, but I'm not too certain about that. Works pretty well for them.

They also need to form more alliances with their ideological kin and combat their common opponents(which tend to be the communists and defenders). Because they seem to have a history of trying to pass themselves off as some kind of Nationalist Communists, it turns away potential allies that could strengthen their numbers(Imperialists, Conservatives, the Fascist Union, Nationstates Nationalists(regionalists), militarists, the West Pacific etc.) They have at least tried to correct this in moving in a more imperialist Roman direction, but to my knowledge they have made no overtures of alliance with LKE, Albion or if all else fails, the Fascist Union(this is a group of Italian Fascisti that try to distance themselves from Nazis for the most part that share the NPO's fondness of Imperial Rome). Aside from the GCR embassies, they have a few embassies with imperium of the Wolf(a relatively laidback region for Authoritarians), The Communist Bloc(a coalition of Stalinists, Trotskyists, and the occasional odd Juche fanatic with a Communitarian/latent Bonapartist Dear Leader), the Atlantic(A defender group if I recall and not one that was particularly friendly with NPO), Mordor(an RP region that might lean Raider), The Western Isles(A Democratic Socialist Region that looks more TSP than anything else), NationStates(an Internationalist region), and Europe(an RP region). The only Warzone they've got an embassy with is Warzone Australia(Wintreath occupied from the looks of it).
The North Pacific has some ideological similarities to the Pacific(we're both predominately Socialist Conservatives and communitarians), but not to the same extreme, so they alienated us as an ally in their efforts of expansion(In fact I think we were in operations against them). Basically the Pacific is diplomatically isolated with the few allies they have not contributing much to their cause.

The reason they weren't able to keep Lazarus was because of Internal disputes and lack of allies. Granted they were successful in overthrowing a superficially communist government, they set up a new puppet regime that didn't take into account the local traditions(a KMT/Chiang Kai-Shek style govt. would have been the best ideology in the Lazarene situation), they're internal disputes and ideological inconsistency kinda botch their own efforts against themselves. If they continue down the path they're basically going right now, they're going to be the DPRK of Nationstates Feeders: Diplomatically Isolated, Fanatically militarist, not sure whether to be communist or fascist(Note: I differentiate between Nazis and Fascists and have less enmity with fascists), and just plain bizarre. Their founder, Francos Spain seems to have been an extreme Communitarian(basically DPRK ideology) while Francoism was a parody of Fascism, so they do change position, but it's usually to some other authoritarian ideology. The big strength their system of government does have is they are stable with a strong regional identity(The trains run on time).

Overall, what Gracius Maximus describes with the General going kinda rogue and trying to take Lazarus is somewhat correct as the NPO leadership has no interest in creating new rivals. From what it looks like, they tried to make the most out of the situation(crisis=opportunity) that debacle created, which spiraled even more out of their control when all the defenders, communists, and feeder armies in the world came against them. They finally just resigned from the mess, lay all the blame on Stujenske and Milograd(who really wasn't NPO anyway, being FRA), and are now hoping to forget the whole event ever happened.

 

[quak1234]

I think the game needs a big bad wolf, whether it is one that chooses to be one or not. I can only talk about what I've seen the NPO do in 5 or so years as an active participant in GCRs and even then I'm not sure the actions of the NPO would justify the tag.

I think you could paint the narrative of the anti-democratic NPO and democratic TNP are at two ends of a scale, whether that means conflict is inevitable is - thankfully - the concern of people with much more... life than me in the game.

Arguing about the NPO is so tedious at this point, mainly because its unlikely ever to change anything. We are in a cycle of overreach, retreat to rebuild relationships, overreach again. It's a cycle that will probably never end on the NPO's side - unless the Emperor/Delegate decides to drastically change things over there, which would blow gameplay wide open again, but is probably against almost everyone's interest to do.

I wouldn't say the TNP is entirely democratic. It's more like an oligarchy with democratic characteristics. In other words, a typical Republic. Also your description of political conflict mirrors Carl Schmitt's theories in the concept of the political. You may want to check out his works on the subject. I personally don't think TNP really requires an enemy in the NPO as there's plenty of other extremist groups that can fit the bill(e.g. Nazis, odd ISIS supporters, Khmer Rouge style Anarchist Communists, Social Darwinist Capitalists, North Korea etc.) Granted NPO has become NS DPRK of late.

As for your statements about problems of expansion for NPO here's my analysis of it, and why their political system actively works against expansion.

Spoiler: Long drawn out Analysis of the Pacific

For the Pacific to expand, they have to simultaneously drum up sufficient numbers to take new regions and guard against potential coups by ambitious generals. Drumming up the numbers for military adventures isn't likely as their very system is geared against it to some degree as new 'rising stars' so to speak could threaten a coup against the sitting Delegate, Overly Successful Generals are automatically going to be viewed with suspicion. Their system is geared for stability as long as the delegate is active, but it also isn't really geared for military expansion. Their Oligarchs won't want to expand their numbers either as it means having to share more power and their individual value is worth less in regional decisions. Combine that with trying to conquer other regions and add to their empire makes the situation more unstable. The new Conquering Generals would have a new support base and could theoretically break from the NPO and form their own separate Empire or possibly use their own private army to coup the sitting Emperor if they so wished, so keeping them under control and defending against their existing enemies, makes an already difficult task of expansion nigh impossible.

If they are to expand they need to somehow recruit the locals into the puppet government they've set up(perhaps rewarding the disenfranchised of the previous govt, which would require intelligence operations to gather intel on who those are). The Empire that invaded TEP seems to have done this and completely altered their very system of government to a compromise between imperialists and the old constitutionalists. Perhaps NPO could try something similar, promising their potential recruits further power by expanding their own operations semi-independently of the Pacific while still flying the NPO flag. It might give them some strength, so they are practically an independent region but follow the same cause. Kinda like a Dominion in the British Empire in RL. Keep a few political officers to keep tabs on the would be governors and keep the Emperor of the Pacific as the Head of State of the various dominions. I think this is the model Imperialists use, but I'm not too certain about that. Works pretty well for them.

They also need to form more alliances with their ideological kin and combat their common opponents(which tend to be the communists and defenders). Because they seem to have a history of trying to pass themselves off as some kind of Nationalist Communists, it turns away potential allies that could strengthen their numbers(Imperialists, Conservatives, the Fascist Union, Nationstates Nationalists(regionalists), militarists, the West Pacific etc.) They have at least tried to correct this in moving in a more imperialist Roman direction, but to my knowledge they have made no overtures of alliance with LKE, Albion or if all else fails, the Fascist Union(this is a group of Italian Fascisti that try to distance themselves from Nazis for the most part that share the NPO's fondness of Imperial Rome). Aside from the GCR embassies, they have a few embassies with imperium of the Wolf(a relatively laidback region for Authoritarians), The Communist Bloc(a coalition of Stalinists, Trotskyists, and the occasional odd Juche fanatic with a Communitarian/latent Bonapartist Dear Leader), the Atlantic(A defender group if I recall and not one that was particularly friendly with NPO), Mordor(an RP region that might lean Raider), The Western Isles(A Democratic Socialist Region that looks more TSP than anything else), NationStates(an Internationalist region), and Europe(an RP region). The only Warzone they've got an embassy with is Warzone Australia(Wintreath occupied from the looks of it).
The North Pacific has some ideological similarities to the Pacific(we're both predominately Socialist Conservatives and communitarians), but not to the same extreme, so they alienated us as an ally in their efforts of expansion(In fact I think we were in operations against them). Basically the Pacific is diplomatically isolated with the few allies they have not contributing much to their cause.

The reason they weren't able to keep Lazarus was because of Internal disputes and lack of allies. Granted they were successful in overthrowing a superficially communist government, they set up a new puppet regime that didn't take into account the local traditions(a KMT/Chiang Kai-Shek style govt. would have been the best ideology in the Lazarene situation), they're internal disputes and ideological inconsistency kinda botch their own efforts against themselves. If they continue down the path they're basically going right now, they're going to be the DPRK of Nationstates Feeders: Diplomatically Isolated, Fanatically militarist, not sure whether to be communist or fascist(Note: I differentiate between Nazis and Fascists and have less enmity with fascists), and just plain bizarre. Their founder, Francos Spain seems to have been an extreme Communitarian(basically DPRK ideology) while Francoism was a parody of Fascism, so they do change position, but it's usually to some other authoritarian ideology. The big strength their system of government does have is they are stable with a strong regional identity(The trains run on time).

Overall, what Gracius Maximus describes with the General going kinda rogue and trying to take Lazarus is somewhat correct as the NPO leadership has no interest in creating new rivals. From what it looks like, they tried to make the most out of the situation(crisis=opportunity) that debacle created, which spiraled even more out of their control when all the defenders, communists, and feeder armies in the world came against them. They finally just resigned from the mess, lay all the blame on Stujenske and Milograd(who really wasn't NPO anyway, being FRA), and are now hoping to forget the whole event ever happened.

I have no words, this is simply beautiful.

 

[Guy]

The part that refers to one of the most defender regions in the game as 'leaning raider', to an invaded-leaning isolationist region as 'internationalist', or to Milograd as more of an FRAer than NPOer?

 

[St George]

I missed the Milo part. In no way was Milo FRA. I don't even think he was ever in the org, being in the UDL when he was a defender prior to joining the NPO.

 

[Cormac]

I missed the Milo part. In no way was Milo FRA. I don't even think he was ever in the org, being in the UDL when he was a defender prior to joining the NPO.

He served as Arch-Chancellor.

I agree, however, that it isn't accurate to describe him as more of an FRAer than an NPOer. If anything, he used the former to advance what he and Feux perceived as the interests of the latter, and because they were getting a Sinker forcibly turned defender out of the deal, the FRA were willing to be used. Now they have Lazarus to themselves, so I guess it paid off for them in the long run.

 

[Guy]

That's an almost less accurate description of events than Nasania's. Wasn't it just last week that Lazarenes replied with incredulity to the proposition that the FRA directs their actions?

 

[quak1234]

Even if it's inaccurate, it's more interesting than anything anyone else has said.

 

[Altmoras]

Oh no, the FRAlluminati totally directs the actions of Lazarus. That's why most of it's members aren't even active in Laz anymore.

It makes perfect sense the less that you think about it.

 

[Nasania]

Thanks, for correcting the errors, I admit I did a cursory look over their embassies(proportion out of which are their allies), but the modified list is even worse(the isolationist region is sorta good for their interests). The basic idea is:they have no allies and the few they've got are unhelpful or inconsistent with NPO expansion. They're picking the wrong allies if they wish to expand.

On the note that their attempted alliances seem to be with defenders: Defenders=NPO Allies, where on earth does this make sense? Granted the focus on combating raiders to impose international order would appeal to a Francoist, defenderism is not really good for expansionism otherwise, unless by some magic power they can convince all the defenders in the world that NPO's targets are 'evil raiders', they're going to keep entering into conflict with them. They might as well burn that defender bridge and leave it at that. The typical enemies list NPO makes that i've seen: Defenders, commmunists and a few reactionaries. Their own citizens are at best ambivalent if not outright hostile to defenders. The ideology for expansion they need is a manifest destiny type ideology(DEN raiderism might fit the bill the most, though NPO Conquistadors would be cool too,This video at 5:11 has a good role model). They should pick allies from Imperialists, Independents, TWP, Fascists, and ex-DEN.

It's the most natural with their interests, call it the Anti-communists alliance or *Puts on Joe McCarthy Hat* the anti-Unibot alliance(let's be honest, he's an evil bolshevik that has formed a grand conspiracy to dominate the free-regions of the world under the universalist-moralist defender jackboot, plus he makes an easy target to rally against). Pass WA resolutions condemning communists(like Unibot, Belschaft, and Zenny for cause) for destroying freedom, liberty, and regional traditions! The future face of NPO! This Anti-communist stance will of course make TCB an enemy, but TCB doesn't really want an alliance with NPO anyhow, probably due to the reasons I've already said(C'mon who said that parody fascists and communists aren't a match made in heaven?-sarcasm).

I stand by that Milograd was more FRA then NPO. He's got the same overall ideology as francoists, but his defenderism sticks him more in the FRA then the NPO as we currently know it. All the past information I can find on Milograd he was more integrated with FRA and defendersphere than any NPO activities. Milograd also would fit in nicely with 10K islands too.

I also disagree that Lazarus=FRA, they're more of a TSP satellite tbh, but not really even that. I think they also kicked out Milograd for some reason, So Milograd siding with NPO was out of convenience. I suspect he would've split from them and formed his own little ideology.

All that said, my view is that this an internal affair for NPO to decide, whether they decide to rebrand themselves and forge new alliances is ultimately up to them. This is only my opinion at how they should go about it.

 

[SillyString]

That's an almost less accurate description of events than Nasania's. Wasn't it just last week that Lazarenes replied with incredulity to the proposition that the FRA directs their actions?

To be fair, one can be thoroughly offended at what is nevertheless an accurate description, and that does not diminish the legitimacy of the descriptor. It is even more likely to occur with something which is generally perceived as negative, which I think we can safely say that "under the control of a foreign power" qualifies as.

I'm sure we've got some odd law sitting around that says that.

I feel obliged to point out that we do not.

 

[The Church of Satan]

Just chiming in to clear up a silly (and false) statement that the FRA plays any role whatsoever in Lazarus. I've been in Lazarus' cabinet on & off since 2013 or 2014 (I forget which, lol) and I can honestly say the only time the FRA has even come up is when we discuss whether or not we want to stay in. I've said it once and I'll say it again, The FRA is not a factor in Lazarus.

 

[Deleted User (Guest)]

" also disagree that Lazarus=FRA, they're more of a TSP satellite tbh, but not really even that. I think they also kicked out Milograd for some reason, So Milograd siding with NPO was out of convenience. I suspect he would've split from them and formed his own little ideology."

Stop. Please make the effort to do some research before making claims like the above.

Milograd was convicted of treason against the Coalition of The South Pacific after perpetrating a coup in April/May 2013 which saw several thousand nations purged from the region, as he rebranded it the South Pacific Socialist Republic - a theme he repeated with the Peoples Republic of Lazarus at the end of 2013.

I suspect his choice of name may have been linked to the PRP - the Peoples Republic of the Pacific, but others can explain more about what the PRP was.

 

[Belschaft]

I'm not sure if I should be pleased or angry; I was name-dropped in this bizarre rant, which clearly means I'm relevant again (yay!) but at the same time was grouped with Unibot...

 

[Nasania]

I'm not sure if I should be pleased or angry; I was name-dropped in this bizarre rant, which clearly means I'm relevant again (yay!) but at the same time was grouped with Unibot...

Um... it wasn't a rant, and it was tongue-in-cheek thing anyway(which I thought was pretty obvious considering I referenced paranoid "red scare" McCarthy of all people). I actually have nothing against anybody(I do have issues with poor policy though). Sorry if you took it personal. That was not my intent.

This is just politics to me. When I look at or do policy recommendations such as the above, it's from the pov of an In character stance(something to enrich gameplay story stuff), not anything personal about it. People can be good friends with each other but IC can oppose each other as part of their respective game personas(Defenders and Raiders do this all the time).

I grouped you together with him because it is absurd. Basically a Bizarre hypothetical In character stance for purposes of Gameplay(say Paranoid Francoist Pacifican persona), not personal attacks. In reality what I would envision is something a of a respectful friendly rivalry, while IC they are opposed to each other. Just like any Game.
Consider I put Zenny in that group too, I consider her almost a friend actually, granted I don't talk with her much. Unibot, well...I consider him a bit of an idiot, but otherwise he's done nothing to me to really upset me. I have nothing against you either, though I consider your feud with him somewhat silly, but that's between you and him.

Again I sincerely apologize as it was not my intent to upset you, or anybody for that matter.

To Ravenclaw:Thanks for the information and I sincerely appreciate information, it's been awhile since I've looked up the information.

 

[Gracius Maximus]

Is NPO your big bad wolf?

Compared to the NPO of old? Meh.

Me too.