Government Officials

On many occasions ministers have had to take temporary or significant breaks while in office. This is understandable, and generally a deputy steps in and covers, either officially of unofficially.

this is a good system, and it works.

However, from discussions it appears that we have two classes of deputies, which are not distinguished by title, and we have the system where deputies can be appointed, like Nierr, who are not citizens and therefore cannot be held accountable for malpractice. We also have the situation where (some maintain) deputies can stand in for cabinet ministers but who are not officially government officials, and so cannot be bound by CoI regulations.

I think these things are unacceptable.

We often joke about "the oligarchy" who secretly run the region. While I DO maintain there are a small number of players who wield too much influence at times, it is safeguards like conflict of influence that help to secure the democracy of TNP. Personally I would be unhappy to see this principle weakened, and would prefer to see it strengthened so that cabinet deputies cannot serve on the judiciary.
 
flemingovia:
That whole post displays your conflict of interest.

you want to keep tomb on staff. I get that. But as I have said before, when we start making laws and policies in order to accommodate specific individuals, we end up making shitty laws.

Of course, you may be comfortable with that.
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flemingovia:
On many occasions ministers have had to take temporary or significant breaks while in office. This is understandable, and generally a deputy steps in and covers, either officially of unofficially.
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We also have the situation where (some maintain) deputies can stand in for cabinet ministers but who are not officially government officials, and so cannot be bound by CoI regulations.
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As I said, I believe that this situation is currently covered under the law, which says:
constitution:
6. Any temporary replacement for a government official in the case of an absence or vacancy will be considered a government official in the branch of the official being replaced, regardless of the method of their selection.
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So someone who cannot legally be a minister can legally be a deputy minister, but cannot legally fill in for the minister if the minister needs to take a break. I think that this is a fine situation, as it deals with actual use of power and not specific titles.
 
flemingovia:
That whole post displays your conflict of interest.

you want to keep tomb on staff. I get that. But as I have said before, when we start making laws and policies in order to accommodate specific individuals, we end up making shitty laws.

Of course, you may be comfortable with that.
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Wow Flemingovia, I am sure you do not realise how rich that must sound coming from you. You have a well known personal dislike of Tomb which you frequently take an opportunity to put on display. You are no longer on the bench now, it is clear to me, and I am sure to others that your vendetta is the true motivation for your sudden interest in Government Officials. You're using this issue to attack Tomb. Don't try to cast aspersions against my character, when your own are so blatantly obvious.

Tomb was simply one example. Plembobria is another. Bootsie would be another. Kialga. Syrixia. The list goes on. I do not wish to prevent people from participating in the executive staff, especially where they are genuinely needed. At the same time, I recognise that we need good justices on the bench. The recent election showing that the region will no longer tolerate disgraceful Justices.

My interest is keeping people on who are reliable, active, and competent in the executive staff. I want senior NPA officers that I can rely upon to run operations when I can not be there. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. This is an RA debate. Preserving the ability of the NPA General Staff and the Executive Staff to do their job to continue to work for this region is something I believe in. I do not see a strong argument why any of them should be forced to choose between executive staff work and the Judiciary.

Madjack, Tomb, Plembobria, and the others than this discussion will likely affect have all served with distinction. We have had no crisis of conflict of interest.
 
i think i will leave the debate now. I had hoped that we might craft better and clearer laws for the region. But i have too much going on in my life at the moment to deal with shit like the above post, especially from someone i have known and worked with for years.

Carry on as usual, folks.
 
mcmasterdonia:
flemingovia:
That whole post displays your conflict of interest.

you want to keep tomb on staff. I get that. But as I have said before, when we start making laws and policies in order to accommodate specific individuals, we end up making shitty laws.

Of course, you may be comfortable with that.
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Wow Flemingovia, I am sure you do not realise how rich that must sound coming from you. You have a well known personal dislike of Tomb which you frequently take an opportunity to put on display. You are no longer on the bench now, it is clear to me, and I am sure to others that your vendetta is the true motivation for your sudden interest in Government Officials. You're using this issue to attack Tomb. Don't try to cast aspersions against my character, when your own are so blatantly obvious.

Tomb was simply one example. Plembobria is another. Bootsie would be another. Kialga. Syrixia. The list goes on. I do not wish to prevent people from participating in the executive staff, especially where they are genuinely needed. At the same time, I recognise that we need good justices on the bench. The recent election showing that the region will no longer tolerate disgraceful Justices.

My interest is keeping people on who are reliable, active, and competent in the executive staff. I want senior NPA officers that I can rely upon to run operations when I can not be there. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. This is an RA debate. Preserving the ability of the NPA General Staff and the Executive Staff to do their job to continue to work for this region is something I believe in. I do not see a strong argument why any of them should be forced to choose between executive staff work and the Judiciary.

Madjack, Tomb, Plembobria, and the others than this discussion will likely affect have all served with distinction. We have had no crisis of conflict of interest.
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